Knicks · My Year in Review (page 1)

EwingsGlass @ 5/19/2023 3:00 PM
TLDR: Minor Changes But Let the Team Develop.

The playoffs were a bit of an emotional roller coaster. I think ending with a loss to Miami feels worse because they came in lower seeded. But to be fair, they had the higher from pundit expectations all season. That's a veteran squad which brought a different level of intensity than we were used to. That said, I am not looking to blow this team up and start over. I want to be a young veteran squad next year. That said this team has things to work on.

Brunson - On offense, Brunson showed himself as a scorer that could get to his spot and take a quality shot. Averaging 24 points and 6 assists with 41% from 3, his offensive game is elite. It only gets better if he gets surrounded by shooters. On defense, he showed good IQ in his positioning but being slightly undersized, he tend to get the softer defensive assignments (stand next to the 3&D). I think it is safe to assume that a guy like Hart helps cover Brunson's defensive burdens and that any future additions at wing should have this in mind. I don't see there being an upgrade and dollar for dollar, I don't think we can do better. I think he can increase his assists, but some of that involves the Knicks shooting woes being solved.

Grimes Showed flashes of brilliance between moments of deer in headlights. His defense and shooting will keep him on the floor. He also is slightly undersized at SG. But has a quick first step that he uses on both offense and defense. Handles the ball well when moving but has a tendency to pick up the ball when pressed. Needs to work on that decision-making but may not have the size to pass the ball over defenders when pressed. This hurt in late game situations where he froze with the ball in hand. Needs to be aware of the timeouts and needs to work angles and pivots to find an exit pass - something Brunson does exceedingly well. While his upside and value are undeniable on the rookie scale contract, given the size deficiency we are giving up at PG, upgrading the starting SG to a longer 3&D shouldn't be dismissed. I would not trade Grimes however. He is still effective in both a starting or reserve role. The Knicks need more shooting and he brings it.

Barrett Barrett is by far the most erratic player we have. One day he looks like Kobe's Canadian cousin. The next day he can't hit a brick wall with a fire hose from 5 feet away. Drilling down, I don't think that he and Randle co-exist that well. I make thoughtful arguments that he bulked up too much and is not able to finish effectively and that like Mitch Robinson, the summer of conditioning after bulking up will put him back on track. I tend to believe this. And I am willing to see what happens next year. But he is not keeping his head up, is playing with his back to the basket even when 20 feet from the hoop which demonstrates that he has no confidence in his handling. I suggest he could thrive in a team where the team is spread more, but he is not a guy that spreads the floor. I want to re-look at the "Kobe" assist element when analyzing his eFG, but for all intents and purposes, his efficiency is below average and the team would generally be better off with someone else taking his shots. He challenged that concept in the Playoffs against the Heat where he made a strong showing. That Barrett lacked a little bit on defense but performed admirably on offense. My general sense is that I want to see what he looks like with a summer of conditioning, but if he was the key cog in a trade for a more traditional 3&D (Mikal Bridges, OG Anunoby), I don't think we would be in a position to say no.

Randle I am not trading Randle UNLESS its for an elite big. He does have shortcomings. Mostly its that he is trying to do too much. But the Randle that puts the ball on the floor, can give 40+ minutes when needed, can body players and is making better decisions with the ball is the guy I want. I think that a perimeter Center could benefit him, if he is willing to work on the block and box out. Much like Giannis and Brook Lopez, I think think Randle would be better suited to having a Center at the top of the key. I think Randle's efficiency goes down the more he dribbles. I think he has the capacity to make faster decisions with the ball but lacks the trust in his teammates to make the shot if he gives up the ball. That could also be read that he lacks the trust that they will take the shot if he gives up the ball, with the team giving up the ball on shot clock violations way too much in the playoffs. I'd like to see how Randle does as the second option when surrounded by shooters on the wings and pulling the Center out of the post.

Robinson Let's be clear, no one should be asking Robinson to change. He is an athletic defensive big with buttery hands. His ability to get offensive rebounds changes games. He finishes strong off lobs, but gets lost if he has to put the ball on the floor and can't shoot a lick. If he didn't have box out responsibilities, I would expect him to be closer to Ty Chandler in terms of rebounds. His defensive presence is his prime value and I think he was overlooked dramatically because the rest of the of the team's defense was decidedly mediocre this year. The only place I look to upgrade with Mitch is if I can keep a strong defensive presence while adding offense. Having Mitch on the floor allows teams to stack the box and gives teams a chance to Hack A Mitch in crunch time. Its a liability, but I don't think you can reasonably expect Mitch to change. Hope he proves me wrong.

Quickley Glad he was nominated for 6MOY. He is a guy that seems just about ready to put it all together. Then he disappeared in the playoffs. I'd like to see him get some more consistency in his shot. I don't think he gets their with his slightly unorthodox shooting form. His wingspan compared to his height is one proof of my attachment to biometrics. He affects passing lanes and has the length to pass over defenders that "taller" players may not have. I am exercising his option this year and probably trying my luck with him as an RFA. I don't think you can commit the 20mm+ to him that some posters think he deserves. Especially after that disappearing act in the playoffs. I have him at 4 years $56mm right now. I don't think he really breaks that on the open market. But that's why restricted free agency exists. To let the market prove team's wrong.

Hart He is like a functional version of Theo Pinson. He affects the court in many ways and really protects Brunson. I love his effort and his role. Super role player. Superior teammate. It would be beneficial if he would opt in for this year and then get extended in August. I hope that he is comfortable enough with the team to work that out.

Hartenstein What a solid backup center. His Plus Minus was special. I think his 3 point prowess was over stated and I think his passing is there, but he takes too many risks. I like envisioning him as a bit of a Jokic-lite. I think he has some real upside still and with some skill training could be challenging for the starting role. As is, I like the offense/defense switch between him and Robinson. Good signing and hoping we can build on this.

Toppin I think Toppin is a solid rotation player in this league but the Knicks aren't really going to unlock his potential in their play style. He performs better in longer minutes and has the ability to score in bunches from inside and outside, but doesn't really do well if he has to handle the ball. Catch and Shoot. Catch and Dunk. He makes bad decisions with the ball otherwise. Leaves his feet to make passes. But next to a LaMelo or someone like that, he can be an elite finisher with the ability to shoot 35% plus from 3. His stiff hips won't allow him to be a defensive force, but his long arms will allow him to be effective on help defense. He can cover a lot of distance with his length and leap. Just don't expect him to stay in front of his man. I likely see him getting packaged to a team that can better utilize his strengths.

McBride He needs more polish on offense. He man defense is elite. His offense needs to get unlocked. Something Brunson can help him with. I think this guy has incredible upside. He's a keeper.

Rose Gotta decline the option unless they think the contract is good trade filler. I love having Rose around but he's out of the rotation. I don't know how you replace his veteran presence.

Fournier Au revoir. This is the primary expiring contract I would use to add another rotation player. Fournier plus Picks = X.

Thibodeau I don't see us changing coaches. Knicks outperformed expectations. Coach gets credit.

Johnny Bryant In my head, this guy is the one making the tweak changes. I love him. I hope they have him locked up long term.

SergioNYK @ 5/19/2023 3:16 PM
Good post. If we bring back the entire rotation back, we're still looking at a 50 win regular season team so we are not in a bad position right now. It's going from being good to being a contender where it get's tough. I think internal improvement is going to be huge. Hopefully with a season under their belt and with the playoff experience, some of the young players take that next step.

But in terms of smaller moves, we need to get more dependable players at the end of the bench. Not being able or willing to play Rose or Fournier really hurt. We should also have one sniper dead eye shooting on the bench that we can go to break a zone or provide spacing. Someone like Seth Curry would do wonders for this roster.

Most of all we have to be patient. I want Randle gone but I understand it's tough and we simply cannot give him away. I just hope this regime doesn't fall under pressure to make win now moves like DeRozan or someone old like him who doesn't move the needle much. Let the team continue to grow and only make that big trade if it fits with the timeline and makes sense and it's a fair deal that doesn't cripple us severely in the future!

fishmike @ 5/19/2023 4:35 PM
Run it back. Build around Brunson being the finisher. RJ/Randle are productive wrecking balls. Resign Josh to something reasonable.

If the team just focuses on chemistry and getting better I think we are in great position. RJ/Grimes/IQ are huge parts of what we are doing and at 22/22/23 and Brunson at 26 you keep running this thing back. We got a bunch of picks and expiring contracts if something special shakes free.

Build on the things we did right in the playoffs, work on the things we didnt do.

VDesai @ 5/19/2023 5:41 PM
Every once in a blue moon Toppin puts the ball on the floor and finishes. He's not an ISO player but if he sees an attack lane I think he has that capability. When you think about his upside, to me maybe there's a Miles Bridges arc to his game? Miles is similarly an explosive athlete who wasn't a great shooter, but developed a bit from range and then started increasing his ability attacking the basket. But generally you are spot on, in a different offense he could be maximized. Here he plays as a change of pace - but if he is not making his shots in the first rotation he plays at the beginning of the 2nd Q, we probably aren't getting much from him. When he's on though, our bench punishes our opponents, because we can play fast/explosive.
EwingsGlass @ 5/19/2023 8:05 PM
fishmike wrote:Run it back. Build around Brunson being the finisher. RJ/Randle are productive wrecking balls. Resign Josh to something reasonable.

If the team just focuses on chemistry and getting better I think we are in great position. RJ/Grimes/IQ are huge parts of what we are doing and at 22/22/23 and Brunson at 26 you keep running this thing back. We got a bunch of picks and expiring contracts if something special shakes free.

Build on the things we did right in the playoffs, work on the things we didnt do.

I’m mostly there. I think if you can add a bona fide 3&D with good size and fill in the bench a bit, they can make a deeper run. I think all I am saying is that I want the something special to be Mikal Bridges.

EwingsGlass @ 5/19/2023 8:08 PM
SergioNYK wrote:Good post. If we bring back the entire rotation back, we're still looking at a 50 win regular season team so we are not in a bad position right now. It's going from being good to being a contender where it get's tough. I think internal improvement is going to be huge. Hopefully with a season under their belt and with the playoff experience, some of the young players take that next step.

But in terms of smaller moves, we need to get more dependable players at the end of the bench. Not being able or willing to play Rose or Fournier really hurt. We should also have one sniper dead eye shooting on the bench that we can go to break a zone or provide spacing. Someone like Seth Curry would do wonders for this roster.

Most of all we have to be patient. I want Randle gone but I understand it's tough and we simply cannot give him away. I just hope this regime doesn't fall under pressure to make win now moves like DeRozan or someone old like him who doesn't move the needle much. Let the team continue to grow and only make that big trade if it fits with the timeline and makes sense and it's a fair deal that doesn't cripple us severely in the future!

I want to put bona fide shooters next to Randle before I make that decision. But I hear you. I think he can be part of a championship squad but I see his role more like Dray. A bit of enforcer, a little more selfless. But maybe without the punching of the teammates.

EwingsGlass @ 5/19/2023 8:13 PM
VDesai wrote:Every once in a blue moon Toppin puts the ball on the floor and finishes. He's not an ISO player but if he sees an attack lane I think he has that capability. When you think about his upside, to me maybe there's a Miles Bridges arc to his game? Miles is similarly an explosive athlete who wasn't a great shooter, but developed a bit from range and then started increasing his ability attacking the basket. But generally you are spot on, in a different offense he could be maximized. Here he plays as a change of pace - but if he is not making his shots in the first rotation he plays at the beginning of the 2nd Q, we probably aren't getting much from him. When he's on though, our bench punishes our opponents, because we can play fast/explosive.

I don’t love the Miles Bridges comparison because I don’t think he has the tenacity on defense. I see him as an offensive guys. I think he has the possibility but I think he needs to feel like a defensive stop is as good as a dunk before he can get there. As a fan, I like defensive stops more than dunks.

gradyandrew @ 5/19/2023 10:30 PM
No love for Jericurl Sims?
Chandler @ 5/20/2023 8:51 AM
Very good summary!

I continue to think if McBride gets more minutes at backup pg, IQ can play off ball and shoot more. We need him to regain his touch and help space the floor.

Curious on Rokas too.

NYKBocker @ 5/20/2023 9:12 AM
I think we should run it back and only make a move if you can get equal value back for Randle. The main thing we need to do is install an actual offensive system that can enhance our players. No sticky hands unless you are brunson. Move the ball move yourself. If IHart is in then use him ala Jokic or adebayo and plant him at the key and run off back screens and cuts to the rim. If randle is still here, don't let him pound the ball. If no shot in 1 sec then move the ball.
EwingsGlass @ 5/22/2023 9:18 AM
gradyandrew wrote:No love for Jericurl Sims?

Yeah, I intentionally left him off. Towards the end I was running long. He seems to have played himself out of the rotation but as an end of the bench big, I am pretty happy with him. Needs to develop fundamental basketball skills.

EwingsGlass @ 5/22/2023 9:24 AM
Chandler wrote:Very good summary!

I continue to think if McBride gets more minutes at backup pg, IQ can play off ball and shoot more. We need him to regain his touch and help space the floor.

Curious on Rokas too.

Rokas is a wildcard for me. Trying not to oversell him in my mind. That Rising Star award last year was eye-opening. Just need to figure how he gets rotation time.

NYKBocker @ 5/22/2023 10:27 AM
So....If the Heat sweep the Celtics... Does this make you feel even better about our Knicks? Heat killed the Bucks and the Celtics and we took them to 6 games with hard fought games.
EwingsGlass @ 5/22/2023 12:03 PM
NYKBocker wrote:So....If the Heat sweep the Celtics... Does this make you feel even better about our Knicks? Heat killed the Bucks and the Celtics and we took them to 6 games with hard fought games.

Like we are the 1st place loser? I feel pretty good about this Knicks team. The Heat are playing with real veteran intensity. They are aging out though. Bucks are aging out AND salary cap. Sixers are bout to implode. Nets just imploded (though they have some good pieces). Celts have a Jaylen Brown decision, but are otherwise good for a few more years. Notwithstanding this series, I think Boston is the team to beat in the East for a few more years to come.

martin @ 5/22/2023 12:13 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:So....If the Heat sweep the Celtics... Does this make you feel even better about our Knicks? Heat killed the Bucks and the Celtics and we took them to 6 games with hard fought games.

Like we are the 1st place loser? I feel pretty good about this Knicks team. The Heat are playing with real veteran intensity. They are aging out though. Bucks are aging out AND salary cap. Sixers are bout to implode. Nets just imploded (though they have some good pieces). Celts have a Jaylen Brown decision, but are otherwise good for a few more years. Notwithstanding this series, I think Boston is the team to beat in the East for a few more years to come.

I will preface this by saying I have not watched any of the Boston-Miami games so don't have that insight.

Man, Jaylen is doing to demand the supermax and probably get it? That will be a tough pill to swallow for the Celtics and their cap. Horford did magically against Embiib but is going to be 37 in weeks and still has 2 more years on contract?

Boston is probably set for next year but after that it may get dicey, especially with the new CBA and how teams over the cap can operate but I don't really know what that means.

EwingsGlass @ 5/23/2023 7:43 AM
martin wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:So....If the Heat sweep the Celtics... Does this make you feel even better about our Knicks? Heat killed the Bucks and the Celtics and we took them to 6 games with hard fought games.

Like we are the 1st place loser? I feel pretty good about this Knicks team. The Heat are playing with real veteran intensity. They are aging out though. Bucks are aging out AND salary cap. Sixers are bout to implode. Nets just imploded (though they have some good pieces). Celts have a Jaylen Brown decision, but are otherwise good for a few more years. Notwithstanding this series, I think Boston is the team to beat in the East for a few more years to come.

I will preface this by saying I have not watched any of the Boston-Miami games so don't have that insight.

Man, Jaylen is doing to demand the supermax and probably get it? That will be a tough pill to swallow for the Celtics and their cap. Horford did magically against Embiib but is going to be 37 in weeks and still has 2 more years on contract?

Boston is probably set for next year but after that it may get dicey, especially with the new CBA and how teams over the cap can operate but I don't really know what that means.

And that’s the decision. I think a big three of Tatum Brown and Smart can win. They have a ton of wingspan at every position and play solid, efficient offense. They don’t have a PF or C to bring it home. Not sure why Robert Williams was being buried, but coach gave up a lot of their advantage when moving Brown and Tatum to SF and PF respectively.

Brown missed about 20 games a year, so there is that. But for a team that can actually slot him at SG and give him the ball, you have a player worth the max. That supermax will be a question when Tatum is up. Hard to carry two supermax contracts and still be competitive.

But if I am Boston, I give him the supermax and sort it out later.

Ira @ 5/23/2023 8:06 AM
I just wanted to show how young a team we are and how deep we are. Plus we have some future draft assets other than our own. We're in a good place and I think we can trust Leon Rose to make the best of it. We've waited a long time to contend for a championship, but I think that we're on the verge of being a contender.

Brunson - age is 26
Grimes - 23
Barrett - 22
Randle - 28
Mitch - 25
McBride - 22
Quickley - 23
Hart - 28
Obi - 25
IHart - 25

martin @ 5/23/2023 8:14 AM
Ira wrote:I just wanted to show how young a team we are and how deep we are. Plus we have some future draft assets other than our own. We're in a good place and I think we can trust Leon Rose to make the best of it. We've waited a long time to contend for a championship, but I think that we're on the verge of being a contender.

Brunson - age is 26
Grimes - 23
Barrett - 22
Randle - 28
Mitch - 25
McBride - 22
Quickley - 23
Hart - 28
Obi - 25
IHart - 25

Jeez I didn't realize Josh was so fucking old

EwingsGlass @ 5/23/2023 9:30 AM
martin wrote:
Ira wrote:I just wanted to show how young a team we are and how deep we are. Plus we have some future draft assets other than our own. We're in a good place and I think we can trust Leon Rose to make the best of it. We've waited a long time to contend for a championship, but I think that we're on the verge of being a contender.

Brunson - age is 26
Grimes - 23
Barrett - 22
Randle - 28
Mitch - 25
McBride - 22
Quickley - 23
Hart - 28
Obi - 25
IHart - 25

Jeez I didn't realize Josh was so fucking old

I think we can get at least 15 more posts including the phrase only 22 before Barret turns only 23 on June 14.

Caseloads @ 5/23/2023 10:31 AM
Bruce Brown could be a good add. Tough, plays big, hungry
Moonangie @ 5/23/2023 4:03 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:
Ira wrote:I just wanted to show how young a team we are and how deep we are. Plus we have some future draft assets other than our own. We're in a good place and I think we can trust Leon Rose to make the best of it. We've waited a long time to contend for a championship, but I think that we're on the verge of being a contender.

Brunson - age is 26
Grimes - 23
Barrett - 22
Randle - 28
Mitch - 25
McBride - 22
Quickley - 23
Hart - 28
Obi - 25
IHart - 25

Jeez I didn't realize Josh was so fucking old

I think we can get at least 15 more posts including the phrase only 22 before Barret turns only 23 on June 14.

I didn't realize Hart was 28 either...but he plays with the energy of a 19yo...dude is the Energizer Bunny.

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