GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:what's the deal? KP has one year last (he opted in)Mitch/Fournier and 2nd rounders its a go. IHart/Sims are good depth at the 5. KP is an impact player and he would be complimentary player and not the #1.
KP is a perfect fit for our offense. If we got what he gave Wash last year it really takes the Knicks up a notch
Spreading out the offense would be a big plus. Harder to game plan.
funny on 2nd thought I would pass. Mitch is a really important piece to any puzzle. Rim protector and one of the league's best on the offensive glass. Was a monster in the Cavs series and the player they had no answer for... KP isnt the guy I'm getting back in a deal involving Mitch.
KP has a place.. we would sorely miss what Mitch does/brings, and I dont love KP's motor. I love the IDEA of KP, but the actual player is just not the best
KnickDanger wrote:Funny how some want a guy making 36 million and can’t be consistently on the court and many can’t wait to get rid of a guy making about 8 million less and plays hurt. But I guess a “thumbs down” is more triggering than forcing a trade.
Well in this scenario. They are both on the team and play together. Potentially compliment each other and make the job easier for each other.
KnickDanger wrote:Funny how some want a guy making 36 million and can’t be consistently on the court and many can’t wait to get rid of a guy making about 8 million less and plays hurt. But I guess a “thumbs down” is more triggering than forcing a trade.
I'm in for this trade so that we can start up the Fuck KP threads!
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:what's the deal? KP has one year last (he opted in)Mitch/Fournier and 2nd rounders its a go. IHart/Sims are good depth at the 5. KP is an impact player and he would be complimentary player and not the #1.
KP is a perfect fit for our offense. If we got what he gave Wash last year it really takes the Knicks up a notch
Spreading out the offense would be a big plus. Harder to game plan.
funny on 2nd thought I would pass. Mitch is a really important piece to any puzzle. Rim protector and one of the league's best on the offensive glass. Was a monster in the Cavs series and the player they had no answer for... KP isnt the guy I'm getting back in a deal involving Mitch. KP has a place.. we would sorely miss what Mitch does/brings, and I dont love KP's motor. I love the IDEA of KP, but the actual player is just not the best
The trade offer in the OP kept Mitch on the roster. Obi & Hartenstein were the sacrifice
fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:what's the deal? KP has one year last (he opted in)Mitch/Fournier and 2nd rounders its a go. IHart/Sims are good depth at the 5. KP is an impact player and he would be complimentary player and not the #1.
KP is a perfect fit for our offense. If we got what he gave Wash last year it really takes the Knicks up a notch
Spreading out the offense would be a big plus. Harder to game plan.
funny on 2nd thought I would pass. Mitch is a really important piece to any puzzle. Rim protector and one of the league's best on the offensive glass. Was a monster in the Cavs series and the player they had no answer for... KP isnt the guy I'm getting back in a deal involving Mitch. KP has a place.. we would sorely miss what Mitch does/brings, and I dont love KP's motor. I love the IDEA of KP, but the actual player is just not the best
We need more scoring from the 5. When Grimes isnt shooting, its 3 on 5. I wouldnt describe KP as washed defensively, or on the boards. Perimeter D might suffer, but KP's scoring more than compensates.
Mitch didnt have the scoring punch Adebayo did. One of the reasons why they got by us. Miami adds Lillard, we will be even further behind.
martin wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Funny how some want a guy making 36 million and can’t be consistently on the court and many can’t wait to get rid of a guy making about 8 million less and plays hurt. But I guess a “thumbs down” is more triggering than forcing a trade.
I'm in for this trade so that we can start up the Fuck KP threads!
I’d be happy to start it 😁
martin wrote:Chandler wrote:he is no better at defense on the perimeter.KP is intriguing but unless we have an answer to the above, I'd pass
That's a high bar to set IMHO. Most all centers in the league have trouble on the perimeter.
Most all centers also don't shoot above 35% from 3point land.
He was dreadful on the perimeter though, and he's no better now.
guys like mitch however do a decent enough job -- maybe not Bam good but still.
this is just very risky in my book. guy plays well on a bad (3d) team. Still don't have a clear sense of why Dallas dropped him
I just have a tough time believing the guy at this point.
Thought this thread was about Frank Ntilikina or Obi Toppin?
KP would help. How do we afford him long term?
Chandler wrote:he is no better at defense on the perimeter.KP is intriguing but unless we have an answer to the above, I'd pass
I think it's a trade off as Mitch guards much better (perimeter) but can't offer much offensively wheras KP can stretch and is serviceable preotection-wise in the paint. I don't know if there are enough balls to go around if Randle and RJ remain along with Brunson.
My other concern would be could Thibs move away from the iso-heavy style so we could better utilize having this much offensive talent on the floor at the same time?
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:what's the deal? KP has one year last (he opted in)Mitch/Fournier and 2nd rounders its a go. IHart/Sims are good depth at the 5. KP is an impact player and he would be complimentary player and not the #1.
KP is a perfect fit for our offense. If we got what he gave Wash last year it really takes the Knicks up a notch
Spreading out the offense would be a big plus. Harder to game plan.
funny on 2nd thought I would pass. Mitch is a really important piece to any puzzle. Rim protector and one of the league's best on the offensive glass. Was a monster in the Cavs series and the player they had no answer for... KP isnt the guy I'm getting back in a deal involving Mitch. KP has a place.. we would sorely miss what Mitch does/brings, and I dont love KP's motor. I love the IDEA of KP, but the actual player is just not the best
We need more scoring from the 5. When Grimes isnt shooting, its 3 on 5. I wouldnt describe KP as washed defensively, or on the boards. Perimeter D might suffer, but KP's scoring more than compensates.
Mitch didnt have the scoring punch Adebayo did. One of the reasons why they got by us. Miami adds Lillard, we will be even further behind.
futher behind a team built around to guys in their mid 30s. Bam is a super star. One of the best in the NBA. Its like comparing Randle to Giannis. Why would I be worried about the Heat? Its US they need to be worried about.
BigDaddyG wrote:
Supposed to be Boston. What I was hoping wouldnt happen. If Boston gets KP, and Miami gets Dame. Trading Obi for a draft pick isnt going to do much for me.
Alpha1971 wrote:What no Frank ?
Frank was a "bubble player" before there was a Bubble. Those were "grueling" summer workout videos, with his buddies in France.
GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Supposed to be Boston. What I was hoping wouldnt happen. If Boston gets KP, and Miami gets Dame. Trading Obi for a draft pick isnt going to do much for me.
Giving up Brogdon for KP? Seems like a downgrade in many ways.
Can we find a way to bring in Marcus Morris?
jskinny35 wrote:Chandler wrote:he is no better at defense on the perimeter.KP is intriguing but unless we have an answer to the above, I'd pass
I think it's a trade off as Mitch guards much better (perimeter) but can't offer much offensively wheras KP can stretch and is serviceable preotection-wise in the paint. I don't know if there are enough balls to go around if Randle and RJ remain along with Brunson.
My other concern would be could Thibs move away from the iso-heavy style so we could better utilize having this much offensive talent on the floor at the same time?
agree re Mitch on offense. He can offer some more akin to Deandre Jordan and lob city but only if you use him that way. He needs to develop something. Between his being used so little that he's literally surprised every time some one passes him the ball, and all the iso between RJ, JR, JB our offense is way too predictable and it really gives at least half of the opponent's team a chance to take a breather
GustavBahler wrote:franco12 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Supposed to be Boston. What I was hoping wouldnt happen. If Boston gets KP, and Miami gets Dame. Trading Obi for a draft pick isnt going to do much for me.
Giving up Brogdon for KP? Seems like a downgrade in many ways.
Can we find a way to bring in Marcus Morris?
Disagree
Porzingis is coming off perhaps the best season of his career. He averaged 23.2 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.7 assists, and 1.5 blocks in 65 games (32.6 MPG) in 2022/23, posting a shooting line of .498/.385/.851.
I'd like this move for Boston, but it doesn't really address their biggest weakness. They need guards who can drivble a basketball under pressure.
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:franco12 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Supposed to be Boston. What I was hoping wouldnt happen. If Boston gets KP, and Miami gets Dame. Trading Obi for a draft pick isnt going to do much for me.
Giving up Brogdon for KP? Seems like a downgrade in many ways.
Can we find a way to bring in Marcus Morris?
Disagree
Porzingis is coming off perhaps the best season of his career. He averaged 23.2 points, 8.4 rebounds, 2.7 assists, and 1.5 blocks in 65 games (32.6 MPG) in 2022/23, posting a shooting line of .498/.385/.851.
I'd like this move for Boston, but it doesn't really address their biggest weakness. They need guards who can drivble a basketball under pressure.
its wild that's a weakness but you are so right. That being said swapping out Horford for KP is a nice upgrade, but Brogden did have a monster year for them. More top heavy, hurts the depth
