franco12 wrote:Panos wrote:Or Doug Christie?
what a career he put together after he left us. At the time, I thought he looked like he could play.
I was so hopeful Riley would play Christie and he went elsewhere and did great. Don't think Obi leaves and has that much of an effect.
Alpha1971 wrote:franco12 wrote:Panos wrote:Or Doug Christie?
what a career he put together after he left us. At the time, I thought he looked like he could play.
I was so hopeful Riley would play Christie and he went elsewhere and did great. Don't think Obi leaves and has that much of an effect.
I thought Christie was an exceptional, winning, intangible player from what I remember - as much as I like Obi and think he can score, the D will never be there for him.
It will be curious to see- the thing with Obi was he produced when given time and feature - but on his own in limited minutes, he could never really impact the game. I think a good player would be able to.
Shandon Anderson is still alive, and still the greatest basketball player of all time.
franco12 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Shanderson would suck in any era. God those days were depressing.
Maybe in the 40s and 50s when NBA players were not the same level of professional athlete.
But thank you- he sucked then, he would suck even worse because you need guys to do more on offense than you used to.
He was an even crappier version of Reggie bullock. Eisley was Elf before Elf
Philc1 wrote:franco12 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Shanderson would suck in any era. God those days were depressing.
Maybe in the 40s and 50s when NBA players were not the same level of professional athlete.
But thank you- he sucked then, he would suck even worse because you need guys to do more on offense than you used to.
He was an even crappier version of Reggie bullock. Eisley was Elf before Elf
Eisley play on the Utah team that went to finals?
Anderson?
Guys thought could step up. They did not. They were not crappy. They were average.
One more time for the simple. Elf started how many games on a team that finished with a 4th seed?
He did not hurt us. He flamed out at the end of the season.
Propagating simple concepts without context does little to add in the conversation.
Eisley had a great A/TO ratio and shot a very high percentage. When contained within Sloan's pick and roll system in Utah and as Stockton's understudy, he looked like a highly efficient PG who could thrive in a bigger role. That's the flaw in extrapolating someone with more minutes and in a different system. Eisley was no better or worse than Ward or Childs, which is to say, none of these 3 guys were really starting material at PG.
Really the issue boiled down to the Ewing trade. When we traded the "old guard" under Grunfeld, we traded old for young and pushed our timeline out further. Example - Starks for Spree, Oakley for Camby, Mase for LJ (the biggest push in the example). Hard to lose the guys we loved, but turned out better for it.
BY the time we traded Ewing, he had suffered some major injuries on top of his age. We wound up moving his one big expensive contract for two slightly guys with big contracts - Rice and Baker. And then flipped Rice for two slightly younger guys with big contracts in Anderson and Eisley. So the problem kept compounding itself.
VDesai wrote:Eisley had a great A/TO ratio and shot a very high percentage. When contained within Sloan's pick and roll system in Utah and as Stockton's understudy, he looked like a highly efficient PG who could thrive in a bigger role. That's the flaw in extrapolating someone with more minutes and in a different system. Eisley was no better or worse than Ward or Childs, which is to say, none of these 3 guys were really starting material at PG.Really the issue boiled down to the Ewing trade. When we traded the "old guard" under Grunfeld, we traded old for young and pushed our timeline out further. Example - Starks for Spree, Oakley for Camby, Mase for LJ (the biggest push in the example). Hard to lose the guys we loved, but turned out better for it.
BY the time we traded Ewing, he had suffered some major injuries on top of his age. We wound up moving his one big expensive contract for two slightly guys with big contracts - Rice and Baker. And then flipped Rice for two slightly younger guys with big contracts in Anderson and Eisley. So the problem kept compounding itself.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to put that out.
