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nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:SergioNYK wrote:LaVine is too trigger happy, too expensive and has knee injury history so no thanks. Rather rent DeRozan at the right price for a year.stars get paid, there's no star that we are going to trade for that isn't going to be making max.
Lavine's knees haven't been an issue in a long time.
And he should be trigger happy, he's an elite scorer and shooter. As efficient as Brunson was last year, Lavine was even MORE efficient.
It's one of fit though? How do you add another high usage guy to RJ, Randle, Brunson?
I mean i'd consider moving Randle in the deal, but if not, I think it could be made to work.
Randle doesn't have to be a 25ppg guy, Lavine is so much more efficient, I think Randle could be knocked down a bit to 18-20.
If we moved IQ as the centerpiece, that right there gives Lavine plenty of shots.
Now if Grimes were the centerpiece its a bit more complicated but I think if you can an offensive player who has put up Booker type numbers for 5 years, I think you gotta do it. He'd be the most natural and most efficient scorer on the team.
Lavine works for the Raptors in a deal for Siakam. Lavine-OG-Barnes a cleaner trio. Or a deal to Detroit if they are committed to playing Cade at PG. As they have the cap and could use the proven productive veteran.
Lavine is set to make $40,$43,$45,$49mil(PO). No way to make that deal without including Randle, as Brunson or RJ wouldn't makes sense. Randle being apart of the deal means that no IQ or Grimes should be included. As Lavine wouldn't be worth a Randle & IQ or Grimes swap. Lavine for all his ability. Hasn't shown to be the level of stud that impacts winning at a superstar level, but is paid at a price that says he does. Knicks would also have to change the foundation of the team. Would be a risky play with the amount of money and years being committed to Lavine.
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newyorknewyork wrote:Knicks need to identify a player out of the draft that they feel they can groom to develop behind Randle over the next 2 years and trade up for him.
Best use of our picks may be to trade up in different drafts. OKC got Dieng with three protected picks from us. And we obtained the pick that became Duren with a combo of frp and srps.
What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
Nalod wrote:blkexec wrote:Nalod wrote:blkexec wrote:The money will continue to go up. The cap should increase with the salaries. The owners are making all the money, so I love how the players are getting their bag as well. Increase the cap and call it a day.The owners put up the money and deserve to make it. Lets not be coy about that.
Players bring the talent and deserve to be cut in on a %. Im totally down with that.
And that a lebron can exercise his right to take risks and move about as he can. Same for durant. Jordan was free to leave but where Bulls can pay him 30mil back in the day, top salary if he signed else where was 18mm.
That Shaq left Orlando high and dry was not fair either. NBA has done a good job helping both owners and players to reach more equitable compensation.
Owners put up money and the risk.
Im not saying Luka not worth it. But fans have to live with the risks too if a player goes down on a massive deal.
Fans had to live with Dolans starphuch quests that derived Amare and Melo after Dolans venture with Isiah was a massive failure.
Jim inherited his team from father. Jim Dolan era not of greed. He was willing to pay taxes and win. It was his stupidity that was toxic to the team.
Thats in the past.
The new CBA necessitated the Rockets spend on vets that funny enough eat into the young players they are stockpiling.
Spurs and Pistons cannot stockpile cap space anymore as well.
Parity reigns for now.
I have yet to see how an 83mm contract will absorb the % of cap in such a year. Im just wondering what teams will go for that and who might balk and trade before.
lets be real, Luka's is based on him achieving max status at such an early age. Guys like Dame now or Giannis in the future in their early 30's and making nutty money is a big risk.“Consequently, average salaries today are still only about $130,000, with league payroll around $20 million. But league revenue—according to Haque's sources—is now between $180 and $200 million. If the players are only getting $20 million, that means players are now receiving only 10 percent of league revenue! May 1, 2023”
I’m for the players your for the owners, ok. Let the players get paid. With nba revenue continuing to climb, so should nba salaries. Owners needs the players for owners to get paid.
You took an excerpt from an article about gender gap relating to the WNBA and NBA. That quote made no sense so I looked it up out of respect to you and understand were your coming from.
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To make your point, WNBA season is coming to a close and it would be interesting to know how they did revenue wise from the estimate stated. There is a reason why WNBA has so few teams and many perpetual money losers. But if thats changing I hope players share. Fact is if owners cannot make money, the franchises don't appreciate in value. There is distinct correlation.Not sure why you bought this into the discussion regarding the men.
Its also a discussion where I clearly state Players deserve to be cut into revenue and given the nature that salaries are rising with revenue and players get 50%, and they are happy with each other who are we to argue otherwise. in fact, thats not my point. It was about the fan getting stuck with a bad contract if things happen and they do.
We can discuss, not argue right?
Sorry for late reply but thank you for the reference on my quote and yes I understand your point and agree with you.
Alpha1971 wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Knicks need to identify a player out of the draft that they feel they can groom to develop behind Randle over the next 2 years and trade up for him.Best use of our picks may be to trade up in different drafts. OKC got Dieng with three protected picks from us. And we obtained the pick that became Duren with a combo of frp and srps.
Target a raw player with huge boom potential as we have the time to allow him to develop slowly behind Randle.
blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
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nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
The old 6-for-1 trade
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
The old 6-for-1 trade
Only 2 rotation players though.
Sims is fine at backup C and I'm sure we could sign someone like Taj for depth.
nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
Would equate to $34mi,but Trade checker says it works. Would have to throw in some draft capital on that as well most likely.
Then you have to consider that Hart is also going increase his salary next yr by $6mil. The cap next season will now look like Brunson $25mil, Lavine $43mil, RJ $26mil, Randle $30mil, Mitch $14mil, IQ RFA, Hart $18mil, DDV $11mil or $167mil. Not counting IQ's cap hit of $12.mil5 according to spotrac. So that $167mil cap tied into 7 players.
Then on top of burden on the cap and elimination of any type of depth. The fit isn't exactly the cleanest. Hard to be locked into 7 players at that type of cap figure unless they work absolutely seamlessly together leading to championship contender status.
newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
Would equate to $34mi,but Trade checker says it works. Would have to throw in some draft capital on that as well most likely.
Then you have to consider that Hart is also going increase his salary next yr by $6mil. The cap next season will now look like Brunson $25mil, Lavine $43mil, RJ $26mil, Randle $30mil, Mitch $14mil, IQ RFA, Hart $18mil, DDV $11mil or $167mil. Not counting IQ's cap hit of $12.mil5 according to spotrac. So that $167mil cap tied into 7 players.
Then on top of burden on the cap and elimination of any type of depth. The fit isn't exactly the cleanest. Hard to be locked into 7 players at that type of cap figure unless they work absolutely seamlessly together leading to championship contender status.
you're looking for a reason for it not to make sense, any star we trade for is going to be on a max deal.
nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
Would equate to $34mi,but Trade checker says it works. Would have to throw in some draft capital on that as well most likely.
Then you have to consider that Hart is also going increase his salary next yr by $6mil. The cap next season will now look like Brunson $25mil, Lavine $43mil, RJ $26mil, Randle $30mil, Mitch $14mil, IQ RFA, Hart $18mil, DDV $11mil or $167mil. Not counting IQ's cap hit of $12.mil5 according to spotrac. So that $167mil cap tied into 7 players.
Then on top of burden on the cap and elimination of any type of depth. The fit isn't exactly the cleanest. Hard to be locked into 7 players at that type of cap figure unless they work absolutely seamlessly together leading to championship contender status.
you're looking for a reason for it not to make sense, any star we trade for is going to be on a max deal.
I for the most part laid out the facts of the situation if the deal you proposed were to happen. So the question would be if you felt the team would be a true championship contender to make that worth while. Me I don't. Your response tells me you don't as well. But if you did that's cool, I just wouldn't agree.
The concept of 3&D SG around Brunson, RJ, Randle in the starting unit with a stud like IQ running the 2nd unit given his 2 way ability is a better concept. If we were to upgrade it should honestly be hammering home the 3&D aspect a lot more.
The proper market value move was to trade for KP given his price in the offseason. That ship has sailed and we dropped the ball on that. If we are to really take it to the next level. Were going to need to find that Derozan for Kwahi type of gift upgrade using Randle.
newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
Would equate to $34mi,but Trade checker says it works. Would have to throw in some draft capital on that as well most likely.
Then you have to consider that Hart is also going increase his salary next yr by $6mil. The cap next season will now look like Brunson $25mil, Lavine $43mil, RJ $26mil, Randle $30mil, Mitch $14mil, IQ RFA, Hart $18mil, DDV $11mil or $167mil. Not counting IQ's cap hit of $12.mil5 according to spotrac. So that $167mil cap tied into 7 players.
Then on top of burden on the cap and elimination of any type of depth. The fit isn't exactly the cleanest. Hard to be locked into 7 players at that type of cap figure unless they work absolutely seamlessly together leading to championship contender status.
you're looking for a reason for it not to make sense, any star we trade for is going to be on a max deal.
I for the most part laid out the facts of the situation if the deal you proposed were to happen. So the question would be if you felt the team would be a true championship contender to make that worth while. Me I don't. Your response tells me you don't as well. But if you did that's cool, I just wouldn't agree.
The concept of 3&D SG around Brunson, RJ, Randle in the starting unit with a stud like IQ running the 2nd unit given his 2 way ability is a better concept. If we were to upgrade it should honestly be hammering home the 3&D aspect a lot more.
The proper market value move was to trade for KP given his price in the offseason. That ship has sailed and we dropped the ball on that. If we are to really take it to the next level. Were going to need to find that Derozan for Kwahi type of gift upgrade using Randle.
agreed on the KP thing, you're preaching to the choir.
as for Lavine, does he make us a title contender? Maybe, he raises our ceiling I think for sure. He gives us a better shot. But I think some people are looking for a magical trade that makes us the best team in the NBA, and I'm just not sure such a player or trade is out there.
but trading for Lavine isn't emptying the cupboard either. We'd still have lots of moveable players and contracts.
Ironically a 3 way deal with CLE might make more sense for all teams the way things are going in CLE.
CLE - Lavine - they get a guy that fits with Garland better and is locked up and gives them more shooting.
NY - DM
CHI - Grimes, IHart, picks and salary filler.
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nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:nycericanguy wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:blkexec wrote:We’ve been hearing the Zack Levine rumors for a while but this one might have some legs. The question is, are we still interested and who are we giving up?What if we could swap grimes / EF / picks for lavine.
We are in such a good position to make a trade with a desperate team looking to make a move. I think Chicago is ready to break up their big 3. Question is are we buyers? I would hope RJ is off the trade block now.
He is set to make $40mil. EF makes $18mil. Would need to provide $22mil more in salary to match. RJ is off the table for a player like Lavine at this moment imo. His salary, age, current production makes it so. Knicks outside of moving Randle, with Brunson and RJ off limits. Would have to wait until someone like Josh Hart was able to be moved and pair him with Fournier & Hartenstein to match the salaries etc.
Evan, Ihart, Grimes, McBride, and filler contracts of Dindler and Jeffries for Lavine works.
Would equate to $34mi,but Trade checker says it works. Would have to throw in some draft capital on that as well most likely.
Then you have to consider that Hart is also going increase his salary next yr by $6mil. The cap next season will now look like Brunson $25mil, Lavine $43mil, RJ $26mil, Randle $30mil, Mitch $14mil, IQ RFA, Hart $18mil, DDV $11mil or $167mil. Not counting IQ's cap hit of $12.mil5 according to spotrac. So that $167mil cap tied into 7 players.
Then on top of burden on the cap and elimination of any type of depth. The fit isn't exactly the cleanest. Hard to be locked into 7 players at that type of cap figure unless they work absolutely seamlessly together leading to championship contender status.
you're looking for a reason for it not to make sense, any star we trade for is going to be on a max deal.
I for the most part laid out the facts of the situation if the deal you proposed were to happen. So the question would be if you felt the team would be a true championship contender to make that worth while. Me I don't. Your response tells me you don't as well. But if you did that's cool, I just wouldn't agree.
The concept of 3&D SG around Brunson, RJ, Randle in the starting unit with a stud like IQ running the 2nd unit given his 2 way ability is a better concept. If we were to upgrade it should honestly be hammering home the 3&D aspect a lot more.
The proper market value move was to trade for KP given his price in the offseason. That ship has sailed and we dropped the ball on that. If we are to really take it to the next level. Were going to need to find that Derozan for Kwahi type of gift upgrade using Randle.
agreed on the KP thing, you're preaching to the choir.
as for Lavine, does he make us a title contender? Maybe, he raises our ceiling I think for sure. He gives us a better shot. But I think some people are looking for a magical trade that makes us the best team in the NBA, and I'm just not sure such a player or trade is out there.
but trading for Lavine isn't emptying the cupboard either. We'd still have lots of moveable players and contracts.
Ironically a 3 way deal with CLE might make more sense for all teams the way things are going in CLE.
CLE - Lavine - they get a guy that fits with Garland better and is locked up and gives them more shooting.
NY - DM
CHI - Grimes, IHart, picks and salary filler.
Not about one magical trade. It's about logical market and team construction moves piece by piece. Lavine isn't a logical market or team construction move based on how our cap or roster is constructed. If he had like 2 years left and we were only giving up scraps and a draft pick or so, than that would be different. Just like why KP deal made sense. The price to get him, his contract, his fit for the roster, all were check marks.
Lavine is again due $40, $43, $46, $49(PO) over the next 4 years. You view him as this level of superstar worthy of this cost. But the truth is he hasn't shown that he is. He hasn't shown to be a player capable of elevating anything for me to believe he is going to elevate the Knicks. He hasn't elevated the Bulls to anything meaningful in the 7 years since being traded there.
Jalen Brunson after Mavs lost Luka for the first round went on to outduel Spida and Rudy to elevate the Mavs past the Jazz. Then came to the Knicks and elevated the the Knicks to a 2nd round playoff team after being a lottery team the year prior. Lavine has yet to accomplish Jalen Brunson level of success to view him as this level of superstar. The Knicks signed Brunson to a 4 year $104mil contract. Bulls resigned Lavine to a 5 year $215mil contract. One is quality market value, the other is not.
With that said the Raptors are currently the best fit for Lavine's skill set. They have quality 2-way defensive players from the 3-5 and can use the offensive fire power shot creator at G. Swapping Siakam for Lavine opens up the floor way more for their franchise player Barnes.
Alpha1971 wrote:WTF Draymond Green, the guy is something else... With his WWF antics
Total piece of shit.
ToddTT wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:WTF Draymond Green, the guy is something else... With his WWF anticsTotal piece of shit.
He’s a firecracker. Love him as teammate otherwise you hate his guts. Classless move, especially for someone with his documented resume of controversy over the years. If he’s truly a team player, he wouldn’t have got himself into this situation. He Ran pool out and still involved in something other than basketball, while on the basketball court. Now he can add a WWE move to his own fighting resume. A sucker punch and now a blind choke hold? How is this guy still employed? Getting TV deals. Meanwhile Mark Jackson can’t even ride on a Knick plane? SMH Good guys always finish last. While villains are praised.