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SergioNYK wrote:Why was there talk today about LeBum getting traded here? Some fans have no self respect or just very poor memory.

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SergioNYK wrote:Why was there talk today about LeBum getting traded here? Some fans have no self respect or just very poor memory.

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KnickDanger wrote:Bozo A. Smith was behind the "to the Knicks" talk. Don't doubt the ring chasers start making their way here. F@%k 'em.

Spitballing on this one: Lebron got his beef with Dan Gilbert but works it thru. Lebron a billionaire and can take a pay cut if he wants another ring. Or do a trade with lakers and bring Lebron home again. Imagine if it was Clev that drafts Bronny?

Nalod wrote:Throwing a bit of cred to the Cavs who are in step with knicks. Chemistry change as they lost 2 starters and go on a freaking tear.
DM is carrying them and behind Allen they are doing it with defense mentality. If you knick fan one has to at least respect what they are doing.

Spitballing on this one: Lebron got his beef with Dan Gilbert but works it thru. Lebron a billionaire and can take a pay cut if he wants another ring. Or do a trade with lakers and bring Lebron home again. Imagine if it was Clev that drafts Bronny?

I have to tell you, I think this is legit. Or at least some organizations will think about what it means to draft Bronny and may act on it cause of LeBron himself.

I mean I've soured on Lavine, but at this point if all it took was Evan's expiring and Mitch for salary filler would it be worth it?

nycericanguy wrote:[K.C. Johnson] There's a growing feeling among rival executives that the Bulls may have to attach another asset to move LaVine, something sources said the Bulls have been hesitant to do to this point. An alternative could be to merely move LaVine as a salary dump for expiring contracts

I mean I've soured on Lavine, but at this point if all it took was Evan's expiring and Mitch for salary filler would it be worth it?

Is LaVine a Thibs type player?

I think the answer to that question should inform the other

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:[K.C. Johnson] There's a growing feeling among rival executives that the Bulls may have to attach another asset to move LaVine, something sources said the Bulls have been hesitant to do to this point. An alternative could be to merely move LaVine as a salary dump for expiring contracts

I mean I've soured on Lavine, but at this point if all it took was Evan's expiring and Mitch for salary filler would it be worth it?

Is LaVine a Thibs type player?

I think the answer to that question should inform the other

ehh I really think there's this narrative about Thibs that just doesn't hold water anymore.

Thibs, like any great coach has evolved with the game. He doesn't play guys big minutes anymore, he plays young guys, he coaches a modern offense...etc...etc

I mean is Lavine a guy Thibs would want to build around? Probably not... but could Thibs not use a 25ppg, atheletic sniper who can shoot from all over the court if we got him for practically free as a 3rd option?

Thibs made Nate RObinson a star for a brief time in CHI. I'm sure he'd find great use for a guy like Lavine.

The reality is there aren't many two way star guards. All these guys we talk about are gonna have some defensive liabilities.

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:[K.C. Johnson] There's a growing feeling among rival executives that the Bulls may have to attach another asset to move LaVine, something sources said the Bulls have been hesitant to do to this point. An alternative could be to merely move LaVine as a salary dump for expiring contracts

I mean I've soured on Lavine, but at this point if all it took was Evan's expiring and Mitch for salary filler would it be worth it?

Is LaVine a Thibs type player?

I think the answer to that question should inform the other

ehh I really think there's this narrative about Thibs that just doesn't hold water anymore.

Thibs, like any great coach has evolved with the game. He doesn't play guys big minutes anymore, he plays young guys, he coaches a modern offense...etc...etc

I mean is Lavine a guy Thibs would want to build around? Probably not... but could Thibs not use a 25ppg, atheletic sniper who can shoot from all over the court if we got him for practically free as a 3rd option?

Thibs made Nate RObinson a star for a brief time in CHI. I'm sure he'd find great use for a guy like Lavine.

The reality is there aren't many two way star guards. All these guys we talk about are gonna have some defensive liabilities.

You know what, I asked my question incorrectly and need to further clarify so you get me.

You are correct in your response.

Would Thibs, now in playoff coaching mode, favor someone like (double discount trade opportunity) LaVine or should you save your assets and wait and trade for someone like Mikal or Donovan who you KNOW Thibs would be favorable to rely on heavily in a playoff situation?

That’s what I now mean when I say Thibs Type,

Thibs Type 2.0

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:[K.C. Johnson] There's a growing feeling among rival executives that the Bulls may have to attach another asset to move LaVine, something sources said the Bulls have been hesitant to do to this point. An alternative could be to merely move LaVine as a salary dump for expiring contracts

I mean I've soured on Lavine, but at this point if all it took was Evan's expiring and Mitch for salary filler would it be worth it?

Is LaVine a Thibs type player?

I think the answer to that question should inform the other

ehh I really think there's this narrative about Thibs that just doesn't hold water anymore.

Thibs, like any great coach has evolved with the game. He doesn't play guys big minutes anymore, he plays young guys, he coaches a modern offense...etc...etc

I mean is Lavine a guy Thibs would want to build around? Probably not... but could Thibs not use a 25ppg, atheletic sniper who can shoot from all over the court if we got him for practically free as a 3rd option?

Thibs made Nate RObinson a star for a brief time in CHI. I'm sure he'd find great use for a guy like Lavine.

The reality is there aren't many two way star guards. All these guys we talk about are gonna have some defensive liabilities.

You know what, I asked my question incorrectly and need to further clarify so you get me.

You are correct in your response.

Would Thibs, now in playoff coaching mode, favor someone like (double discount trade opportunity) LaVine or should you save your assets and wait and trade for someone like Mikal or Donovan who you KNOW Thibs would be favorable to rely on heavily in a playoff situation?

If the FO feels those two are a real possibility then you wait.

Mikal seems so out of this world unlikely though, lots of teams would offer a ton for him. HOU reportedly offered Jalen Green and the Nets picks back. So even if they valued our offer more there's no reason for them to trade him here.

But if we feel there's a good chance at DM then I say wait.

The issue is Evan's contract... I can't see us picking up that option and having him rot on the bench for a 3rd season, that would just be really in poor taste. Unless Evan is ok with it just for the money?

That's why DJM makes sense too, for his contract.

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:[K.C. Johnson] There's a growing feeling among rival executives that the Bulls may have to attach another asset to move LaVine, something sources said the Bulls have been hesitant to do to this point. An alternative could be to merely move LaVine as a salary dump for expiring contracts

I mean I've soured on Lavine, but at this point if all it took was Evan's expiring and Mitch for salary filler would it be worth it?

Is LaVine a Thibs type player?

I think the answer to that question should inform the other

ehh I really think there's this narrative about Thibs that just doesn't hold water anymore.

Thibs, like any great coach has evolved with the game. He doesn't play guys big minutes anymore, he plays young guys, he coaches a modern offense...etc...etc

I mean is Lavine a guy Thibs would want to build around? Probably not... but could Thibs not use a 25ppg, atheletic sniper who can shoot from all over the court if we got him for practically free as a 3rd option?

Thibs made Nate RObinson a star for a brief time in CHI. I'm sure he'd find great use for a guy like Lavine.

The reality is there aren't many two way star guards. All these guys we talk about are gonna have some defensive liabilities.

You know what, I asked my question incorrectly and need to further clarify so you get me.

You are correct in your response.

Would Thibs, now in playoff coaching mode, favor someone like (double discount trade opportunity) LaVine or should you save your assets and wait and trade for someone like Mikal or Donovan who you KNOW Thibs would be favorable to rely on heavily in a playoff situation?

If the FO feels those two are a real possibility then you wait.

Mikal OG seems so out of this world unlikely though, lots of teams would offer a ton for him. HOU reportedly offered Jalen Green and the Nets picks back. So even if they valued our offer more there's no reason for them to trade him here.

But if we feel there's a good chance at DM then I say wait.

The issue is Evan's contract... I can't see us picking up that option and having him rot on the bench for a 3rd season, that would just be really in poor taste. Unless Evan is ok with it just for the money?

That's why DJM makes sense too, for his contract.

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Don’t fight me!

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:[K.C. Johnson] There's a growing feeling among rival executives that the Bulls may have to attach another asset to move LaVine, something sources said the Bulls have been hesitant to do to this point. An alternative could be to merely move LaVine as a salary dump for expiring contracts

I mean I've soured on Lavine, but at this point if all it took was Evan's expiring and Mitch for salary filler would it be worth it?

Is LaVine a Thibs type player?

I think the answer to that question should inform the other

ehh I really think there's this narrative about Thibs that just doesn't hold water anymore.

Thibs, like any great coach has evolved with the game. He doesn't play guys big minutes anymore, he plays young guys, he coaches a modern offense...etc...etc

I mean is Lavine a guy Thibs would want to build around? Probably not... but could Thibs not use a 25ppg, atheletic sniper who can shoot from all over the court if we got him for practically free as a 3rd option?

Thibs made Nate RObinson a star for a brief time in CHI. I'm sure he'd find great use for a guy like Lavine.

The reality is there aren't many two way star guards. All these guys we talk about are gonna have some defensive liabilities.

You know what, I asked my question incorrectly and need to further clarify so you get me.

You are correct in your response.

Would Thibs, now in playoff coaching mode, favor someone like (double discount trade opportunity) LaVine or should you save your assets and wait and trade for someone like Mikal or Donovan who you KNOW Thibs would be favorable to rely on heavily in a playoff situation?

If the FO feels those two are a real possibility then you wait.

Mikal OG seems so out of this world unlikely though, lots of teams would offer a ton for him. HOU reportedly offered Jalen Green and the Nets picks back. So even if they valued our offer more there's no reason for them to trade him here.

But if we feel there's a good chance at DM then I say wait.

The issue is Evan's contract... I can't see us picking up that option and having him rot on the bench for a 3rd season, that would just be really in poor taste. Unless Evan is ok with it just for the money?

That's why DJM makes sense too, for his contract.

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Don’t fight me!

i never felt like OG was so unlikely... but trades between Nets/KNicks, Yankees/Mets... unless they are for end of bench guys, it hasn't happened in my lifetime.

I think for me there was a sliver of hope the Nets would take RJ/IQ and 4 firsts, but those are spent bullets now.

nycericanguy wrote:I mean Mikal could very well be the missing piece, I think the Nets would take a much worse offer before potentially giving us a championship. And I think Green + their picks back is better than anything we can offer anyway.

On a scale of Zero to All the Nova boys wanna bro it out… where would YOU be if you were in Mikal’s shoes?

All he has to do is tell anyone who wants to listen that he wants to somehow play on Knicks when his contract ends. Teams will get scared.

Uncle Wes and Leon already know the answer to that question cause I’m not that smart and I woulda asked Mikal that myself already.

What say you?

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I mean Mikal could very well be the missing piece, I think the Nets would take a much worse offer before potentially giving us a championship. And I think Green + their picks back is better than anything we can offer anyway.

On a scale of Zero to All the Nova boys wanna bro it out… where would YOU be if you were in Mikal’s shoes?

All he has to do is tell anyone who wants to listen that he wants to somehow play on Knicks when his contract ends. Teams will get scared.

Uncle Wes and Leon already know the answer to that question cause I’m not that smart and I woulda asked Mikal that myself already.

What say you?

Did DM want to go to CLE?

Did Lillard not demand MIA?

Hard to make those demands when you have several years on your contract.

but listen if the knicks think those are options then you stand pat.

but otherwise a guy like Lavine for practically free might be worth considering.

nycericanguy wrote:

martin wrote:

nycericanguy wrote:I mean Mikal could very well be the missing piece, I think the Nets would take a much worse offer before potentially giving us a championship. And I think Green + their picks back is better than anything we can offer anyway.

On a scale of Zero to All the Nova boys wanna bro it out… where would YOU be if you were in Mikal’s shoes?

All he has to do is tell anyone who wants to listen that he wants to somehow play on Knicks when his contract ends. Teams will get scared.

Uncle Wes and Leon already know the answer to that question cause I’m not that smart and I woulda asked Mikal that myself already.

What say you?

Did DM want to go to CLE?

Did Lillard not demand MIA?

Hard to make those demands when you have several years on your contract.

but listen if the knicks think those are options then you stand pat.

but otherwise a guy like Lavine for practically free might be worth considering.

Work with me to understand the perspective instead of trying to only find the flaws and stopping there.

Lillard, DM had 3 full contract years left when they were moved, plus player options. That means their current teams have all the control and leverage over player. Their respective teams have absolute control for 2 years and then it diminishes significantly the next year (last year of contract) and is near zero when a player is an UFA (at this point all team is left with is sign and trade opportunities). Similarly, Lillard has other reasons why he would not opt out, like he will be 36 and have a $63M player option… that you think he will walk away from LOL To sign with a team that has cap space? So really Lillard has 4 years and Giannis influence to stay.

And sometimes teams need to take a risk assessment before a trade and just go for it because of the benefits. So we have 3 entirely different situations for DM, Lillard, Mikal.

Today, Mikal has one more year left until his “control” year. Today Brooklyn has its best leverage opportunity to trade Mikal and get the best return of assets. Next year it’ll be diminished greatly, especially if he goes on Podcasts and reminisces about his Villanova days and how much he loved playing with an MVP level guy and his boys.

What team would trade for Mikal (Houston, for example) with Brooklyn and give up massive assets if they knew they were inheriting a player who only has 1 “control” year on contract. Additionally, they would have back channeled and already gotten a feel for what Mikal wanted to do long term, cause why wouldnt they? They would unsterstand how badly he wanted to play in NY versus just signing a massive max contract.

So, I’ll ask again: On a scale of Zero to All the Nova boys wanna bro it out… where would YOU be if you were in Mikal’s shoes?

Cause Leon knows this answer but does the other team (Houston) know that information?

nycericanguy wrote:Mikal has this year + 2 more years under contract.

What are his control years and the teams control years?

I’m trying to introduce leverage, asset return, and risk assessment decisions FO’s need to make when they think about million dollars opportunities.

Leon is a super smart cookie

And you can tell he has eaten all the cookies

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martin wrote:Ugh

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