KnickDanger wrote:The team is ugly - I love ‘em.Hate the free throw shooting though.
Haha. watching around the league game 1 seems to be uglier than the norm. That said it seems like this team has fully committed to winning ugly. Randle and Brunson were both 5 for 20 and they just kept attacking the rim while the team kept attacking the glass. On defense, they are insanely physical off-ball and clog the paint. The Kings and Warriors play a different sport
Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nycericanguy wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nycericanguy wrote:KP was really open to coming back here, we might have given BOS the title by not trading for him. Huge miss, he was the perfect cheap star for this roster that would have left us more than enough assets to get another star later if needed.
The question was never about his ability. We knew everything he did last night was possible. Problem is staying healthy for a whole year.
stars miss games, KP was low risk/high reward. We had enough depth at C to afford KP missing 20-25 games. If all he would have cost was Obi and a 1st we really blew it.
This isnt us building around KP, this would have been KP here as an X factor on a team that is built with workhorses and could have absorbed any missed games better than just about any other team.
a team that badly needed shooting and spacing and a guy that could score in the playoffs and play WITH Brunson, KP fit all that. We missed the boat big time here sorry. I think the FO has done a great job for the most part but that was a huge miss and not only did we miss but he went to our rival instead.
To be clear having added KP would have been interesting. Would have liked it
However, you are assuming the three deal trade would have been orchestrated of Knicks were involved.
KP also signed an extension. You said superstars miss games, KP misses seasons with one bad break.
Keep in mind we are all morning morning quarterbacking after a strong game. One in which the Knicks despite three of their starters having bad games still had a chance to win.
But I will concede that I would not have been disappointed if we were able to add KP. But nervous about his health yearly.
What about a lesser deal to bring in Kelly Olynck or someone so we aren't counting on Simms or good grief something that makes us less guard heavy. I mean come on, give us something...
I've always liked Kelly O a lot. When we signed I-Hart I was all about him or Zach Collins. I'd love to have someone like Kelly O to play him some minutes with Randle so teams get a different look from us sometimes. I don't think Thibs would do that but he would be interesting as a backup 4 option. That said I thought the team played its bast last night when they went to that 4 wing lineup with Mitch at the center spot. Mitch is a monster. Playing him with smaller more skilled surrounding players is an option I like
nycericanguy wrote:WSHmartin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:nycericanguy wrote:KP was really open to coming back here, we might have given BOS the title by not trading for him. Huge miss, he was the perfect cheap star for this roster that would have left us more than enough assets to get another star later if needed.
The question was never about his ability. We knew everything he did last night was possible. Problem is staying healthy for a whole year.
stars miss games, KP was low risk/high reward. We had enough depth at C to afford KP missing 20-25 games. If all he would have cost was Obi and a 1st we really blew it.
This isnt us building around KP, this would have been KP here as an X factor on a team that is built with workhorses and could have absorbed any missed games better than just about any other team.
a team that badly needed shooting and spacing and a guy that could score in the playoffs and play WITH Brunson, KP fit all that. We missed the boat big time here sorry. I think the FO has done a great job for the most part but that was a huge miss and not only did we miss but he went to our rival instead.
That wasn't the deal though, right? Boston gave up a defensive player of the year type guy on a very friendly contract at $20M per for 3 years. Marcus Smart is good.
WSH didn't want Smart though, he was just rerouted to get BOS another 1st. WSH got Tyus Jones, Muscala and a 2nd rounder for KP. We could have easily beat that.
the return for KP was really low. I don't think teams know how to plan for the new CBA and it made for a lot of weirdness this off-season including KP going for a very low price after a great year in Washington. I know it's Washington and sometimes performance on bad teams doesn't translate but I don't see why KP's can't.
Chandler wrote:apologizing is a start but very ungratifying if there's no explanation of consequences.Missing a play in real time is going to happen. Missing key plays, at key times, with video review should result in public consequences. tired of the b**sh!t
Clearly the refs were told watch Brunson for flopping and when told to do something they were ready to do it. At the expensive of other rules that exists as well. To hard to chew gum and walk at the same time. Problem is they identified Brunson for being a flopper.
SergioNYK wrote:After a good night sleep, I feel like this was one of the most flukiest losses ever. Randle (10 missed layup's!) and Brunson are not going to shoot 11/43 and we are not going to go 14/28 from the line. Yet we only lost by 4. It's not a game to get crazy over.Very encouraged by how RJ played. I know he took some bad shots and ended up 8/20 but he played well overall which is encouraging considering he's been a slow starter. And great game by IQ. Sparked the comeback in the first half and was great in the 4th. I am annoyed he didn't take another shot after hitting that step back 3 with about 5 minutes left. We need to go a better job of getting the hot hand the ball.
And lastly, Tatum is super good. Impossible to guard.
The 10 misses in close misses by Randle are a little concerning IMO. Not b/c I don't think Randle can make shots but b/c of how the Celtics used KP. He didn't pay attention to Mitch or I-Hart. He zoned the basket. I remember a couple of plays where I-Hart caught the ball just past the foul line and KP didn't think about coming out from under the basket. Just waited for him to drive into him and tried to eat him up when he got to the rim. Of Course, KP is 7'3 so it wouldn't not work as well for other teams but I didn't like seeing a team so easily game plan against us that way.
GustavBahler wrote:I'm hoping to see better spacing from the starting unit next game. It was one big clusterfunk for most of the night. Also hope to see more ball movement. Too many shot attempts off of ISOs. Nothing wrong with ISO play, as part of a balanced offense. 
On the one hand, they played their game, showed that can dictate play style, won the possession battle big, and had a chance with good players having a bad night. On the other hand, Randle and Brunson shot terribly, Barrett was good but not stellar, and those 3 took 63 of 93 shot attempts. You'd think with 2 of them not able to throw it in the ocean the distribution would even out a little. the team is very predictable on offense even when good.
martin wrote:
I hate these 2 minute reports. And I can live with real time blown calls here and there as long as they are not crazy obvious. As Chandler said though, missing a call with the help of s stoppage and video review....that is inexcusable. Compounded with the fact more than 1 ref was in on the review process....
If these 2 minute reports or mea culpas are made public, the accountability portion of it should be made public. Missing a call in the fashion the Brunson call was missed...there should be some consequences to that. And it should be made public so that there is no appearance of it being ok for a referee to screw up and then slide without consequences.
I'll be honest, I was over the game and seeing this stuff just pisses me off because it doesn't change anything and nothing is done about it.
I guess the league cracking down on the flopping
Man, Randle just barely understands and wants to defend. Seems like he is so fixated on just his own man to the detriment of anything else.
It’s hard to teach effort.
martin wrote:martin wrote:I guess the league cracking down on the flopping
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I wonder how much tomorrow night is gonna cost Trae.
Alpha1971 wrote:Chandler wrote:apologizing is a start but very ungratifying if there's no explanation of consequences.Missing a play in real time is going to happen. Missing key plays, at key times, with video review should result in public consequences. tired of the b**sh!t
Clearly the refs were told watch Brunson for flopping and when told to do something they were ready to do it. At the expensive of other rules that exists as well. To hard to chew gum and walk at the same time. Problem is they identified Brunson for being a flopper.
AGAIN CLEARLY you dont think the nba gave a list to the head of the refs and told them to watch these guys for flopping COME ON THIS IS 2023!!!!
EwingPSD wrote:KnickDanger wrote:The team is ugly - I love ‘em.Hate the free throw shooting though.
Haha. watching around the league game 1 seems to be uglier than the norm. That said it seems like this team has fully committed to winning ugly. Randle and Brunson were both 5 for 20 and they just kept attacking the rim while the team kept attacking the glass. On defense, they are insanely physical off-ball and clog the paint. The Kings and Warriors play a different sport
I would love if this Knicks group had better ball movement and three point shooting. In the meantime they are great to root for to my mind.
joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:
I hate these 2 minute reports. And I can live with real time blown calls here and there as long as they are not crazy obvious. As Chandler said though, missing a call with the help of s stoppage and video review....that is inexcusable. Compounded with the fact more than 1 ref was in on the review process....
If these 2 minute reports or mea culpas are made public, the accountability portion of it should be made public. Missing a call in the fashion the Brunson call was missed...there should be some consequences to that. And it should be made public so that there is no appearance of it being ok for a referee to screw up and then slide without consequences.
I'll be honest, I was over the game and seeing this stuff just pisses me off because it doesn't change anything and nothing is done about it.
Refs get paid by the game and are graded based on their accuracy so missing calls means they run the risk of not getting elevated to the playoff crews.
The kicked ball really got to me. I don't see how it's physically possible for a ball to go sailing over the head of the dribbler and land 10 feet behind him.
Randle was battling the best perimeter defender in the league. It kept him out of his rhythm all night.
gradyandrew wrote:joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:
I hate these 2 minute reports. And I can live with real time blown calls here and there as long as they are not crazy obvious. As Chandler said though, missing a call with the help of s stoppage and video review....that is inexcusable. Compounded with the fact more than 1 ref was in on the review process....
If these 2 minute reports or mea culpas are made public, the accountability portion of it should be made public. Missing a call in the fashion the Brunson call was missed...there should be some consequences to that. And it should be made public so that there is no appearance of it being ok for a referee to screw up and then slide without consequences.
I'll be honest, I was over the game and seeing this stuff just pisses me off because it doesn't change anything and nothing is done about it.
Refs get paid by the game and are graded based on their accuracy so missing calls means they run the risk of not getting elevated to the playoff crews.
The kicked ball really got to me. I don't see how it's physically possible for a ball to go sailing over the head of the dribbler and land 10 feet behind him.
Cut the horse crap that somehow this is all ok, because Adam Silver (biggest stooge in all of pro sports) says theirs accountability
How about transparency?
In the age of increased sports betting (BTW i don’t) this is ridiculous. The only reason the refs admitted to a mistake is because Twitter/X had already embarrassed them.
Name names. WHo blew the call; what’s his score/rating etc. What’s the explanation (e.g., he didn’t have anccess to the the Twitter feed) and what is the follow up. We need transparency
I mentioned this before in other threads. With the amount invested in teams and players there should be dozens of refs (only 3 on the court). Those guys should have a mechanism to communicate info to the refs on the court especially when there is review
And the 2 minute report is a joke. It doesn’t account for the (by far) #1 things players and coaches want: consistency. SO in the report they can say yes that was a foul or not, but they never say whether that call was consistent with the judgment applied the rest of the game. They bend over backwards to say everything was fine
How can I think the hydra that legalized gambling has become couldn’t possibly affect the games?
Chandler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:
I hate these 2 minute reports. And I can live with real time blown calls here and there as long as they are not crazy obvious. As Chandler said though, missing a call with the help of s stoppage and video review....that is inexcusable. Compounded with the fact more than 1 ref was in on the review process....
If these 2 minute reports or mea culpas are made public, the accountability portion of it should be made public. Missing a call in the fashion the Brunson call was missed...there should be some consequences to that. And it should be made public so that there is no appearance of it being ok for a referee to screw up and then slide without consequences.
I'll be honest, I was over the game and seeing this stuff just pisses me off because it doesn't change anything and nothing is done about it.
Refs get paid by the game and are graded based on their accuracy so missing calls means they run the risk of not getting elevated to the playoff crews.
The kicked ball really got to me. I don't see how it's physically possible for a ball to go sailing over the head of the dribbler and land 10 feet behind him.
Cut the horse crap that somehow this is all ok, because Adam Silver (biggest stooge in all of pro sports) says theirs accountability
How about transparency?
In the age of increased sports betting (BTW i don’t) this is ridiculous. The only reason the refs admitted to a mistake is because Twitter/X had already embarrassed them.
Name names. WHo blew the call; what’s his score/rating etc. What’s the explanation (e.g., he didn’t have anccess to the the Twitter feed) and what is the follow up. We need transparency
I mentioned this before in other threads. With the amount invested in teams and players there should be dozens of refs (only 3 on the court). Those guys should have a mechanism to communicate info to the refs on the court especially when there is review
And the 2 minute report is a joke. It doesn’t account for the (by far) #1 things players and coaches want: consistency. SO in the report they can say yes that was a foul or not, but they never say whether that call was consistent with the judgment applied the rest of the game. They bend over backwards to say everything was fine
You also had 6 assistant coaches on each sideline who's job is to get one blown call right with the coach's challenge, yet somehow both teams got it wrong. Human error is for real.
gradyandrew wrote:Chandler wrote:gradyandrew wrote:joec32033 wrote:martin wrote:
I hate these 2 minute reports. And I can live with real time blown calls here and there as long as they are not crazy obvious. As Chandler said though, missing a call with the help of s stoppage and video review....that is inexcusable. Compounded with the fact more than 1 ref was in on the review process....
If these 2 minute reports or mea culpas are made public, the accountability portion of it should be made public. Missing a call in the fashion the Brunson call was missed...there should be some consequences to that. And it should be made public so that there is no appearance of it being ok for a referee to screw up and then slide without consequences.
I'll be honest, I was over the game and seeing this stuff just pisses me off because it doesn't change anything and nothing is done about it.
Refs get paid by the game and are graded based on their accuracy so missing calls means they run the risk of not getting elevated to the playoff crews.
The kicked ball really got to me. I don't see how it's physically possible for a ball to go sailing over the head of the dribbler and land 10 feet behind him.
Cut the horse crap that somehow this is all ok, because Adam Silver (biggest stooge in all of pro sports) says theirs accountability
How about transparency?
In the age of increased sports betting (BTW i don’t) this is ridiculous. The only reason the refs admitted to a mistake is because Twitter/X had already embarrassed them.
Name names. WHo blew the call; what’s his score/rating etc. What’s the explanation (e.g., he didn’t have anccess to the the Twitter feed) and what is the follow up. We need transparency
I mentioned this before in other threads. With the amount invested in teams and players there should be dozens of refs (only 3 on the court). Those guys should have a mechanism to communicate info to the refs on the court especially when there is review
And the 2 minute report is a joke. It doesn’t account for the (by far) #1 things players and coaches want: consistency. SO in the report they can say yes that was a foul or not, but they never say whether that call was consistent with the judgment applied the rest of the game. They bend over backwards to say everything was fine
You also had 6 assistant coaches on each sideline who's job is to get one blown call right with the coach's challenge, yet somehow both teams got it wrong. Human error is for real.
The Brunson call was already reviewed. And you only get a limited number of reviews per team. Don't think the Knicks had any left.
Human error is real, but so is accountability. You really think going on Twitter and officially announcing they made an oopsie that could potentially have had such a major DIRECT impact on the game (be honest. If the correct call is made it has a major impact on how the game plays out) that an "Our bad" is sufficient accountability?
