Knicks · Is DDV showing that Grimes is expendable? (page 4)

Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

Knixkik wrote:Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

I wonder if keeping Grimes in the starting lineup week after week with little improvement is good for morale. Grimes is once again trailing bench players in ppg. #55. And a little more than one assist and rebound per game. So he isnt doing much of the little things either.

Grimes plays like the starting job is his no matter what. I'm glad Thibs is letting IQ or DDV close instead, but I dont like the idea of a starter not feeling any pressure to play better. When they're mostly adding little to nothing on offense.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

I wonder if keeping Grimes in the starting lineup week after week with little improvement is good for morale. Grimes is once again trailing bench players in ppg. #55. And a little more than one assist and rebound per game. So he isnt doing much of the little things either.

Grimes plays like the starting job is his no matter what. I'm glad Thibs is letting IQ or DDV close instead, but I dont like the idea of a starter not feeling any pressure to play better. When they're mostly adding little to nothing on offense.

Grimes is bad for fan moral. I wonder what his coaches think?

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

I wonder if keeping Grimes in the starting lineup week after week with little improvement is good for morale. Grimes is once again trailing bench players in ppg. #55. And a little more than one assist and rebound per game. So he isnt doing much of the little things either.

Grimes plays like the starting job is his no matter what. I'm glad Thibs is letting IQ or DDV close instead, but I dont like the idea of a starter not feeling any pressure to play better. When they're mostly adding little to nothing on offense.

Grimes is bad for fan moral. I wonder what his coaches think?

Player morale. The team is guard heavy, and the worst performing SG is starting. No matter how poorly they play.

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Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

I wonder if keeping Grimes in the starting lineup week after week with little improvement is good for morale. Grimes is once again trailing bench players in ppg. #55. And a little more than one assist and rebound per game. So he isnt doing much of the little things either.

Grimes plays like the starting job is his no matter what. I'm glad Thibs is letting IQ or DDV close instead, but I dont like the idea of a starter not feeling any pressure to play better. When they're mostly adding little to nothing on offense.

Grimes is bad for fan moral. I wonder what his coaches think?

Player morale. The team is guard heavy, and the worst performing SG is starting. No matter how poorly they play.

Couldn't we draft another sg this draft ? Trade Grimes and a pick to Houston for Tari Eason.

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Knixkik wrote:Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

I wonder if keeping Grimes in the starting lineup week after week with little improvement is good for morale. Grimes is once again trailing bench players in ppg. #55. And a little more than one assist and rebound per game. So he isnt doing much of the little things either.

Grimes plays like the starting job is his no matter what. I'm glad Thibs is letting IQ or DDV close instead, but I dont like the idea of a starter not feeling any pressure to play better. When they're mostly adding little to nothing on offense.

Grimes is bad for fan moral. I wonder what his coaches think?

Player morale. The team is guard heavy, and the worst performing SG is starting. No matter how poorly they play.

Couldn't we draft another sg this draft ? Trade Grimes and a pick to Houston for Tari Eason.

We already have some quality guards on the bench. IQ averaged 20 ppg as a starter. The ball moves better with Quickley in the starting lineup. DDV was starting for the Bucks their championship season, before he got hurt. Good chemistry with Brunson when he started. More bball esp going on there than with Grimes.

I'd like to see one or both of them get a shot at starting, before the FO makes the call. So many guards on the roster, we should be evaluating their ability to start first IMO.

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Knixkik wrote:Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

I wonder if keeping Grimes in the starting lineup week after week with little improvement is good for morale. Grimes is once again trailing bench players in ppg. #55. And a little more than one assist and rebound per game. So he isnt doing much of the little things either.

Grimes plays like the starting job is his no matter what. I'm glad Thibs is letting IQ or DDV close instead, but I dont like the idea of a starter not feeling any pressure to play better. When they're mostly adding little to nothing on offense.

Grimes is bad for fan moral. I wonder what his coaches think?

Player morale. The team is guard heavy, and the worst performing SG is starting. No matter how poorly they play.

Couldn't we draft another sg this draft ? Trade Grimes and a pick to Houston for Tari Eason.

We already have some quality guards on the bench. IQ averaged 20 ppg as a starter. The ball moves better with Quickley in the starting lineup. DDV was starting for the Bucks their championship season, before he got hurt. Good chemistry with Brunson when he started. More bball esp going on there than with Grimes.

I'd like to see one or both of them get a shot at starting, before the FO makes the call. So many guards on the roster, we should be evaluating their ability to start first IMO.

That makes too much since to happen. lol

Let me start by saying I love Thibs and very happy we have him. One quality he has that is good and bad is his stubbornness. Once his mind is made up, it takes him a while to turn the ship. That’s why players love him.

For example, Grimes is getting a great opportunity to prove he’s an NBA starter. Thibs could’ve given him the yank a few times, but he’s still here, and grimes is my guy. Love 2 way players. Grimes on the 2nd unit is a 2way player. As a starter he’s a ONE WAY PLAYER.

I think one more terrible game from grimes plus DDV or IQ going nut, Thibs will have no choice.

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Knixkik wrote:Can’t move grimes to the bench because it would impact player morale. You can simply leave him as a starter and increase DDVs minutes behind him as needed. Right now Grimes is an eyesore in the lineup though for sure. He’s not interested in shooting and is a good but not yet great defender to become a mainstay regardless of the offense. I continue to think that is the position in our lineup to upgrade, either by a star like Mitchell or a more traditional 3&D like Casuro to upgrade slightly. If the Knicks can’t add a star player, they can continue to maintain a good offense built around Brunson, Randle, Barrett, Quickley, and Mitch’s offensive rebounding, but move for a guy like Caruso and become a top 3 defensive team in the entire league.

I wonder if keeping Grimes in the starting lineup week after week with little improvement is good for morale. Grimes is once again trailing bench players in ppg. #55. And a little more than one assist and rebound per game. So he isnt doing much of the little things either.

Grimes plays like the starting job is his no matter what. I'm glad Thibs is letting IQ or DDV close instead, but I dont like the idea of a starter not feeling any pressure to play better. When they're mostly adding little to nothing on offense.

Grimes is bad for fan moral. I wonder what his coaches think?

Player morale. The team is guard heavy, and the worst performing SG is starting. No matter how poorly they play.

Couldn't we draft another sg this draft ? Trade Grimes and a pick to Houston for Tari Eason.

We already have some quality guards on the bench. IQ averaged 20 ppg as a starter. The ball moves better with Quickley in the starting lineup. DDV was starting for the Bucks their championship season, before he got hurt. Good chemistry with Brunson when he started. More bball esp going on there than with Grimes.

I'd like to see one or both of them get a shot at starting, before the FO makes the call. So many guards on the roster, we should be evaluating their ability to start first IMO.

That makes too much since to happen. lol

Let me start by saying I love Thibs and very happy we have him. One quality he has that is good and bad is his stubbornness. Once his mind is made up, it takes him a while to turn the ship. That’s why players love him.

For example, Grimes is getting a great opportunity to prove he’s an NBA starter. Thibs could’ve given him the yank a few times, but he’s still here, and grimes is my guy. Love 2 way players. Grimes on the 2nd unit is a 2way player. As a starter he’s a ONE WAY PLAYER.

I think one more terrible game from grimes plus DDV or IQ going nut, Thibs will have no choice.

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Part of the problem was that Grimes was showing a two way game against second unit defenses. But Thibs rushed him into the starting lineup before his handle was good enough to go against starting defenses.

Not too late for Thibs to give Grimes time in the second unit to develop his handle, increase his confidence. Looks like the coaching staff skipped a step in Grimes development in the rush to start him.

Check out some of Grimes takes to the rim, transition game, from his rookie season. Been too long since we've seen this level of aggressiveness. Apparently Jerry West told Rose after the draft to "hold on to this kid".

I see that player in some of Grimes plays in this clip. Not Grimes the starter. Not yet anyway. Needs more seasoning, confidence. Dont see Grimes getting it from being in the starting lineup.

Great highlights. I hope we see more of that soon.

It Donte does start, I hope the coaching staff show him this.

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It’s crazy.

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It’s crazy.

He has 13 points in the last 5 games COMBINED.

He was scoring more points as a rookie off the bench. Grimes is a system player whose game is dictated by Thibs offensive system and players around him. If he’s in the right system (and not Thibs iso ball) he will look like a future 2 way star. Not surprised that he struggles playing next to high volume shooters as the 4th or 5th option.

DDV plays like he’s the 1st or 2nd option regardless who on the team. Same can be said with IQ or even EF. This is a development issue or simply it’s Thibs system that doesn’t bring out the best in grimes.

I believe at the 20 game mark, Thibs will make some changes. But for right now if the team is winning Thibs ain’t changing.

With Grimes trending down, I would probably start DDV and use Grimes off the bench in the role Obi was in that Hart is now complaining about. Let Hart play the role that he was in last year alongside Quickley. DDV has overlapped that a bit. Grimes can focus on running, cutting, and spotting up in the corner. I don’t have much faith in Grimes as a playmaking as some do, but playing with the faster second unit running and spotting up I think he will get into a better rhythm and get his. But it’s more because DDV seems like a better fit with the starters and seems to overlap a bit with hart off the bench than it is about grimes.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/defens...

I found this defensive stat really troubling. All season I have been thinking that Grimes is mainly to play defense and make life difficult for opposing guards. I thought vs 'Scary Terry' it was pretty obvious. But DFG% has Grimes as by far the worst rotation players on the team, and one of the worst in the league.

It will be interesting to see where it goes from here but it seems like just switching DDV in for Grimes improves the Knicks on both sides of the ball. Knicks basically lost.a season waiting for Kemba to get on track and saved last season by bumping Fournier out of the rotation.

Brunson RJ and MR have been solid all season and Randle looks like he's really turned the corner as of late. If Grimes is getting burnt on offense and defense, Thibs has got to make a change.

DDV defensive effort in the 4th quarter was outstanding. Wasn't just that he hit the 3's. Grimes has two issues now. First issue has been a season long thing, which is he's to hesitant to let it fly or do anything decisive on offense. That's where you see a big difference with DDV who is not afraid to let it fly or go to the basket. Second issue is since he hurt that wrist/forearm his shot looks awful. He is 4/24 from the field with 2 0'fer games in his last 5 games since he's been back.

Grimes is struggling and DDV has been better but I don't think DDV is showing much either.

Knixkik wrote:Honestly if the Knicks really wanted to start DDV then they should consider trading grimes and picks to the bulls for Caruso. Caruso is the ultimate utility player off the bench and would be a perfect complement to IQ. He takes no usage and can shoot, while being an elite defender. Grimes can be an elite defender, but Caruso is one. He’s one of the best in the game and outside of OG is the top 3&D guy in my opinion. I understand the cost and the opinion for those who would prefer keeping the young knick to develop. Totally understandable. I’m just saying if you believe DDV makes the starting lineup even better and complements Brunson and Randle, Caruso is an upgrade to the bench and the defensive culture of this team. A deal would require Grimes, plus a couple of the minimum contract players to make the money work, then it comes down to picks. Chicago needs them and the idea would be to avoid any unprotected ones.

We are going to start DDV and bring both Alex Caruso and IQ off the bench?

EwingPSD wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Honestly if the Knicks really wanted to start DDV then they should consider trading grimes and picks to the bulls for Caruso. Caruso is the ultimate utility player off the bench and would be a perfect complement to IQ. He takes no usage and can shoot, while being an elite defender. Grimes can be an elite defender, but Caruso is one. He’s one of the best in the game and outside of OG is the top 3&D guy in my opinion. I understand the cost and the opinion for those who would prefer keeping the young knick to develop. Totally understandable. I’m just saying if you believe DDV makes the starting lineup even better and complements Brunson and Randle, Caruso is an upgrade to the bench and the defensive culture of this team. A deal would require Grimes, plus a couple of the minimum contract players to make the money work, then it comes down to picks. Chicago needs them and the idea would be to avoid any unprotected ones.

We are going to start DDV and bring both Alex Caruso and IQ off the bench?

Why not ? Caruso is not a PG. He’s a wing at this point who is primary 3&D plus he keeps the ball moving.