nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Donte is just a joy to watch. Silky smooth out there. Has a great feel for the game and plays with a great swag / toughness. Watching him elevate for blocks/boards it a joy to watch. I still don't think the starting lineup has enough top end talent to win it all, but I enjoy watching them play a lot, outside of the bonehead plays Randle makes too often. But maybe Brunson is a top 10 player and we just don't know it yet, and they ARE good enough with just some bench tweaks.
Brunson def has a case for top 10 this season.
We need DJM to even out this roster though and take some pressure off.
Could we improve the same or more by just finding the right bench guys though? Brogdon and Hayward for example.
Brunson - DDV - OG - Randle - iHart
Deuce - Brogs - Hart - Hayward - Precious
Our biggest holes right now are: Replacing IQ role everynight and legit backups/insurance to our top scorers whenever they sit or get injured. Everything else looks real solid.
I'm not even overly concerned about backup big. If we had more scoring the bench would be fine. Precious is a very mobile guy that Thibs seems to like to switch on perimeter, giving us a yang to the drop coverage yin. Mitch might be back by playoffs.
you know i was a huge Brogs fan but I think that time has passed. He's not the same anymore. If we're going that route we might as well go all in for DJM.
Hayward is interesting, especially if its on a buyout. He can shoot, score, and create.
but this FO really hasn't shown a propensity to go after older players and stopgaps.
DJM is really the only long term piece that makes sense.
I trust the FO at the end of the day. I'm fine making the Murray splash I'm also fine just filling out the bench and seeing what this starting lineup can do in the playoffs. I do think we need at minimum a legitimate bench scorer to replace IQ. That's non negotiable. I view Hayward almost as the Kevin Love role for Miami last year. He might not get a ton of PT every night but he would be Randle's backup and provide us with insurance if he goes down. Almost like the Bojan role we seem to be eyeing.
I think we are at the point where we can get some stopgaps now. We are a good team trying to make an ECF push. Vets go deep in the playoffs not youngins. We need as many steady hands as we can get to balance Randle. We've already seen how much we've improved replacing some high IQ players like OG/DDV/Hartenstein with RJ/Mitch around Randle. Ball flips around, guys cut, and we play smarter now.
the thing is the IQ role is a demanding one, we need a reliable guy there. IQ and RJ were workhorses. not sure a stopgap is gonna cut it there. We need a legit 3rd scorer and creator long term. Can't see us burning assets for a stop gap there.
if we're talking a buyout stop gap that's different. and I think another realistic option there could be Gallo. Perfect 3/4 shooter, high IQ and won't demand a ton of minutes. I think that's our Kevin Love right there.
Counterpoint - the presence of Deuce as a young workhorse and emerging offensive threat allows us to seek out stopgaps there to play next to him. Similar to Rose/young IQ a few years back.
DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Donte is just a joy to watch. Silky smooth out there. Has a great feel for the game and plays with a great swag / toughness. Watching him elevate for blocks/boards it a joy to watch. I still don't think the starting lineup has enough top end talent to win it all, but I enjoy watching them play a lot, outside of the bonehead plays Randle makes too often. But maybe Brunson is a top 10 player and we just don't know it yet, and they ARE good enough with just some bench tweaks.
Brunson def has a case for top 10 this season.
We need DJM to even out this roster though and take some pressure off.
Could we improve the same or more by just finding the right bench guys though? Brogdon and Hayward for example.
Brunson - DDV - OG - Randle - iHart
Deuce - Brogs - Hart - Hayward - Precious
Our biggest holes right now are: Replacing IQ role everynight and legit backups/insurance to our top scorers whenever they sit or get injured. Everything else looks real solid.
I'm not even overly concerned about backup big. If we had more scoring the bench would be fine. Precious is a very mobile guy that Thibs seems to like to switch on perimeter, giving us a yang to the drop coverage yin. Mitch might be back by playoffs.
you know i was a huge Brogs fan but I think that time has passed. He's not the same anymore. If we're going that route we might as well go all in for DJM.
Hayward is interesting, especially if its on a buyout. He can shoot, score, and create.
but this FO really hasn't shown a propensity to go after older players and stopgaps.
DJM is really the only long term piece that makes sense.
I trust the FO at the end of the day. I'm fine making the Murray splash I'm also fine just filling out the bench and seeing what this starting lineup can do in the playoffs. I do think we need at minimum a legitimate bench scorer to replace IQ. That's non negotiable. I view Hayward almost as the Kevin Love role for Miami last year. He might not get a ton of PT every night but he would be Randle's backup and provide us with insurance if he goes down. Almost like the Bojan role we seem to be eyeing.
I think we are at the point where we can get some stopgaps now. We are a good team trying to make an ECF push. Vets go deep in the playoffs not youngins. We need as many steady hands as we can get to balance Randle. We've already seen how much we've improved replacing some high IQ players like OG/DDV/Hartenstein with RJ/Mitch around Randle. Ball flips around, guys cut, and we play smarter now.
the thing is the IQ role is a demanding one, we need a reliable guy there. IQ and RJ were workhorses. not sure a stopgap is gonna cut it there. We need a legit 3rd scorer and creator long term. Can't see us burning assets for a stop gap there.
if we're talking a buyout stop gap that's different. and I think another realistic option there could be Gallo. Perfect 3/4 shooter, high IQ and won't demand a ton of minutes. I think that's our Kevin Love right there.
Counterpoint - the presence of Deuce as a young workhorse and emerging offensive threat allows us to seek out stopgaps there.
Maybe,we'll see. Duece has impressed me, he'd need to get more time at SG. and I think that only happens if we trade Grimes, and if we trade Grimes it better not be for a stopgap...lol.
but man bringing Gallo back along with DJM and Mitch coming back would make us deep as hell and very well balanced.
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Donte is just a joy to watch. Silky smooth out there. Has a great feel for the game and plays with a great swag / toughness. Watching him elevate for blocks/boards it a joy to watch. I still don't think the starting lineup has enough top end talent to win it all, but I enjoy watching them play a lot, outside of the bonehead plays Randle makes too often. But maybe Brunson is a top 10 player and we just don't know it yet, and they ARE good enough with just some bench tweaks.
Brunson def has a case for top 10 this season.
We need DJM to even out this roster though and take some pressure off.
Could we improve the same or more by just finding the right bench guys though? Brogdon and Hayward for example.
Brunson - DDV - OG - Randle - iHart
Deuce - Brogs - Hart - Hayward - Precious
Our biggest holes right now are: Replacing IQ role everynight and legit backups/insurance to our top scorers whenever they sit or get injured. Everything else looks real solid.
I'm not even overly concerned about backup big. If we had more scoring the bench would be fine. Precious is a very mobile guy that Thibs seems to like to switch on perimeter, giving us a yang to the drop coverage yin. Mitch might be back by playoffs.
you know i was a huge Brogs fan but I think that time has passed. He's not the same anymore. If we're going that route we might as well go all in for DJM.
Hayward is interesting, especially if its on a buyout. He can shoot, score, and create.
but this FO really hasn't shown a propensity to go after older players and stopgaps.
DJM is really the only long term piece that makes sense.
I trust the FO at the end of the day. I'm fine making the Murray splash I'm also fine just filling out the bench and seeing what this starting lineup can do in the playoffs. I do think we need at minimum a legitimate bench scorer to replace IQ. That's non negotiable. I view Hayward almost as the Kevin Love role for Miami last year. He might not get a ton of PT every night but he would be Randle's backup and provide us with insurance if he goes down. Almost like the Bojan role we seem to be eyeing.
I think we are at the point where we can get some stopgaps now. We are a good team trying to make an ECF push. Vets go deep in the playoffs not youngins. We need as many steady hands as we can get to balance Randle. We've already seen how much we've improved replacing some high IQ players like OG/DDV/Hartenstein with RJ/Mitch around Randle. Ball flips around, guys cut, and we play smarter now.
the thing is the IQ role is a demanding one, we need a reliable guy there. IQ and RJ were workhorses. not sure a stopgap is gonna cut it there. We need a legit 3rd scorer and creator long term. Can't see us burning assets for a stop gap there.
if we're talking a buyout stop gap that's different. and I think another realistic option there could be Gallo. Perfect 3/4 shooter, high IQ and won't demand a ton of minutes. I think that's our Kevin Love right there.
Counterpoint - the presence of Deuce as a young workhorse and emerging offensive threat allows us to seek out stopgaps there.
Maybe,we'll see. Duece has impressed me, he'd need to get more time at SG. and I think that only happens if we trade Grimes, and if we trade Grimes it better not be for a stopgap...lol.
but man bringing Gallo back along with DJM and Mitch coming back would make us deep as hell and very well balanced.
What's a stopgap though? Someone that will be here for Brunson's prime? I don't think anyone is looking for a one year rental. But 2-3 year player is fine with a re-evaluation after that. We already just saw you can't simply lock everyone up long term, you need stopgaps especially to fill out critical bench roles.
Brogdon was 6MOY last season. I'm not sure why we are acting as if he's washed or doesn't have a few really good years left. He's a silky smooth jump shooter who doesn't rely on his athleticism at all. He most definitely could play next to Deuce and Hart and help lead our bench for 3 years.
If we lock up iHart and OG gets his 30M deal, with Brunson supermax a couple years away, probably need to start looking at stopgap vets.
DLeethal wrote:Brogdon was 6MOY last season. I'm not sure why we are acting as if he's washed or doesn't have a few really good years left. He's a silky smooth jump shooter who doesn't rely on his athleticism at all. He most definitely could play next to Deuce and Hart and help lead our bench for 3 years.
I think Brogs is ok if we cant get DJM, but otherwise there's no reason to pick Brogs over DJM.
DJM is younger, better, more durable, locked in on a reasonable deal and has more trade value if we end up trading him for a superstar.
Brogs will cost a 1st at least, he'll cost Evan's expiring, and he'll cost Grimes either directly or indirectly. he'll be 32 next season and seems to be starting his decline. trading for him could take us out of the superstar hunt altogether.
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Brogdon was 6MOY last season. I'm not sure why we are acting as if he's washed or doesn't have a few really good years left. He's a silky smooth jump shooter who doesn't rely on his athleticism at all. He most definitely could play next to Deuce and Hart and help lead our bench for 3 years.
I think Brogs is ok if we cant get DJM, but otherwise there's no reason to pick Brogs over DJM.
DJM is younger, better, more durable, locked in on a reasonable deal and has more trade value if we end up trading him for a superstar.
Brogs will cost a 1st at least, he'll cost Evan's expiring, and he'll cost Grimes either directly or indirectly. he'll be 32 next season and seems to be starting his decline. trading for him could take us out of the superstar hunt altogether.
Cost would be the reason. Grimes + two 1sts versus Grimes alone, or Grimes + seconds, or Grimes + one 1st max
Brunson has been like the Jessica Alba of our dreams at PG. Cherish every game he plays because we waited a long time for him and he won't be here forever. He took over last night. 41 total and 20 in the 4th. Didn't matter who they tried to put on him. Best Knick since Ewing. Already moved past Melo imo.
Whoever comes here, be it Murray or Brogdan or whoever, they are coming here to stabilize the bench and replace IQ. I am not touching the starting lineup and messing that up. DVo is PERFECT with his shooting and defense next to Brunson and Randle. So if we do acquire Murray, hopefully he doesn't complain about having the Ginobili role. I don't think Brogdan would complain and he'd be cheaper to acquire so I think I have him ahead of Murray on my wish list.
Knicks now have the 3rd best NET rating in the east, they overtook MIL now. and only CLE has allowed fewer PPG.
nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Donte is just a joy to watch. Silky smooth out there. Has a great feel for the game and plays with a great swag / toughness. Watching him elevate for blocks/boards it a joy to watch. I still don't think the starting lineup has enough top end talent to win it all, but I enjoy watching them play a lot, outside of the bonehead plays Randle makes too often. But maybe Brunson is a top 10 player and we just don't know it yet, and they ARE good enough with just some bench tweaks.
Brunson def has a case for top 10 this season.
We need DJM to even out this roster though and take some pressure off.
Could we improve the same or more by just finding the right bench guys though? Brogdon and Hayward for example.
Brunson - DDV - OG - Randle - iHart
Deuce - Brogs - Hart - Hayward - Precious
Our biggest holes right now are: Replacing IQ role everynight and legit backups/insurance to our top scorers whenever they sit or get injured. Everything else looks real solid.
I'm not even overly concerned about backup big. If we had more scoring the bench would be fine. Precious is a very mobile guy that Thibs seems to like to switch on perimeter, giving us a yang to the drop coverage yin. Mitch might be back by playoffs.
you know i was a huge Brogs fan but I think that time has passed. He's not the same anymore. If we're going that route we might as well go all in for DJM.
Hayward is interesting, especially if its on a buyout. He can shoot, score, and create.
but this FO really hasn't shown a propensity to go after older players and stopgaps.
DJM is really the only long term piece that makes sense.
Do agree and think he is the target. Wonder if the FO would pull the trigger on a 1B Brogdon type deal if they can't pull of plan 1A DJM.
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Donte is just a joy to watch. Silky smooth out there. Has a great feel for the game and plays with a great swag / toughness. Watching him elevate for blocks/boards it a joy to watch. I still don't think the starting lineup has enough top end talent to win it all, but I enjoy watching them play a lot, outside of the bonehead plays Randle makes too often. But maybe Brunson is a top 10 player and we just don't know it yet, and they ARE good enough with just some bench tweaks.
Brunson def has a case for top 10 this season.
We need DJM to even out this roster though and take some pressure off.
Could we improve the same or more by just finding the right bench guys though? Brogdon and Hayward for example.
Brunson - DDV - OG - Randle - iHart
Deuce - Brogs - Hart - Hayward - Precious
Our biggest holes right now are: Replacing IQ role everynight and legit backups/insurance to our top scorers whenever they sit or get injured. Everything else looks real solid.
I'm not even overly concerned about backup big. If we had more scoring the bench would be fine. Precious is a very mobile guy that Thibs seems to like to switch on perimeter, giving us a yang to the drop coverage yin. Mitch might be back by playoffs.
you know i was a huge Brogs fan but I think that time has passed. He's not the same anymore. If we're going that route we might as well go all in for DJM.
Hayward is interesting, especially if its on a buyout. He can shoot, score, and create.
but this FO really hasn't shown a propensity to go after older players and stopgaps.
DJM is really the only long term piece that makes sense.
Do agree and think he is the target. Wonder if the FO would pull the trigger on a 1B Brogdon type deal if they can't pull of plan 1A DJM.
I think they will do something. 1B is probably Brogdon/Rozier and those guys and 1C is probably Burks
Question: Does anyone know if the Knicks can trade Fournier on 2024 draft night if they have NOT opted into his 2024-25 option year? I don't know this
Fournier's contract for 2024-25 does not have to be guaranteed until the day before 2024 FA season begins.
DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Donte is just a joy to watch. Silky smooth out there. Has a great feel for the game and plays with a great swag / toughness. Watching him elevate for blocks/boards it a joy to watch. I still don't think the starting lineup has enough top end talent to win it all, but I enjoy watching them play a lot, outside of the bonehead plays Randle makes too often. But maybe Brunson is a top 10 player and we just don't know it yet, and they ARE good enough with just some bench tweaks.
Brunson def has a case for top 10 this season.
We need DJM to even out this roster though and take some pressure off.
Could we improve the same or more by just finding the right bench guys though? Brogdon and Hayward for example.
Brunson - DDV - OG - Randle - iHart
Deuce - Brogs - Hart - Hayward - Precious
Our biggest holes right now are: Replacing IQ role everynight and legit backups/insurance to our top scorers whenever they sit or get injured. Everything else looks real solid.
I'm not even overly concerned about backup big. If we had more scoring the bench would be fine. Precious is a very mobile guy that Thibs seems to like to switch on perimeter, giving us a yang to the drop coverage yin. Mitch might be back by playoffs.
you know i was a huge Brogs fan but I think that time has passed. He's not the same anymore. If we're going that route we might as well go all in for DJM.
Hayward is interesting, especially if its on a buyout. He can shoot, score, and create.
but this FO really hasn't shown a propensity to go after older players and stopgaps.
DJM is really the only long term piece that makes sense.
Do agree and think he is the target. Wonder if the FO would pull the trigger on a 1B Brogdon type deal if they can't pull of plan 1A DJM.
I think they will do something. 1B is probably Brogdon/Rozier and those guys and 1C is probably Burks
DRose wants 1D.
"This month,
In the 367 minutes OG has been on the floor, the Knicks have a:
Offensive Rating of 121.2
Defensive Rating of 98.9
Net Rating of +22.3
In the 113 minutes OG has been on the bench, the Knicks have a:
Offensive Rating of 96.1
Defensive Rating of 117.7
Net Rating of -21.6"
At first I was going to say that this is a little inflated because of our now weak bench but then I remembered how much he improved our defense from one of the worst to one of the best instantly.
martin wrote:Question: Does anyone know if the Knicks can trade Fournier on 2024 draft night if they have NOT opted into his 2024-25 option year? I don't know thisFournier's contract for 2024-25 does not have to be guaranteed until the day before 2024 FA season begins.
My brother has been bringing this up to me that they have up until draft night to move him. Don't know how he confirmed this info exactly. But he is also a die hard Knicks fan who wouldn't claim sketchy info as fact.
newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:Question: Does anyone know if the Knicks can trade Fournier on 2024 draft night if they have NOT opted into his 2024-25 option year? I don't know thisFournier's contract for 2024-25 does not have to be guaranteed until the day before 2024 FA season begins.
My brother has been bringing this up to me that they have up until draft night to move him. Don't know how he confirmed this info exactly. But he is also a die hard Knicks fan who wouldn't claim sketchy info as fact.
Dap your bro for me. Thanks
newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:Question: Does anyone know if the Knicks can trade Fournier on 2024 draft night if they have NOT opted into his 2024-25 option year? I don't know thisFournier's contract for 2024-25 does not have to be guaranteed until the day before 2024 FA season begins.
My brother has been bringing this up to me that they have up until draft night to move him. Don't know how he confirmed this info exactly. But he is also a die hard Knicks fan who wouldn't claim sketchy info as fact.
So he's not a poster here then
KnickDanger wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:Question: Does anyone know if the Knicks can trade Fournier on 2024 draft night if they have NOT opted into his 2024-25 option year? I don't know thisFournier's contract for 2024-25 does not have to be guaranteed until the day before 2024 FA season begins.
My brother has been bringing this up to me that they have up until draft night to move him. Don't know how he confirmed this info exactly. But he is also a die hard Knicks fan who wouldn't claim sketchy info as fact.
So he's not a poster here then
Haha
DLeethal wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:nycericanguy wrote:DLeethal wrote:Donte is just a joy to watch. Silky smooth out there. Has a great feel for the game and plays with a great swag / toughness. Watching him elevate for blocks/boards it a joy to watch. I still don't think the starting lineup has enough top end talent to win it all, but I enjoy watching them play a lot, outside of the bonehead plays Randle makes too often. But maybe Brunson is a top 10 player and we just don't know it yet, and they ARE good enough with just some bench tweaks.
Brunson def has a case for top 10 this season.
We need DJM to even out this roster though and take some pressure off.
Could we improve the same or more by just finding the right bench guys though? Brogdon and Hayward for example.
Brunson - DDV - OG - Randle - iHart
Deuce - Brogs - Hart - Hayward - Precious
Our biggest holes right now are: Replacing IQ role everynight and legit backups/insurance to our top scorers whenever they sit or get injured. Everything else looks real solid.
I'm not even overly concerned about backup big. If we had more scoring the bench would be fine. Precious is a very mobile guy that Thibs seems to like to switch on perimeter, giving us a yang to the drop coverage yin. Mitch might be back by playoffs.
you know i was a huge Brogs fan but I think that time has passed. He's not the same anymore. If we're going that route we might as well go all in for DJM.
Hayward is interesting, especially if its on a buyout. He can shoot, score, and create.
but this FO really hasn't shown a propensity to go after older players and stopgaps.
DJM is really the only long term piece that makes sense.
Do agree and think he is the target. Wonder if the FO would pull the trigger on a 1B Brogdon type deal if they can't pull of plan 1A DJM.
I think they will do something. 1B is probably Brogdon/Rozier and those guys and 1C is probably Burks
FO has proven over and over again that they will not do the so called 1A move unless it makes sense and does not cost a lot of assets. I eee DM as a possibility next year, if he does not extend, but would place a bigger bet that he comes here when he is a FA.
The more I think about it, and I do not like him, I see Clarkson as a possibility. If we are honest, IQ was basically the same shoot first player. Which we need in second unit
Brown is interesting as well as it is a value type player they like to sign.
Any word on Brunson and Hart’s status for tomorrow’s game?
