Knicks · Can Caruso be your off the bench backup PG while adding Drummond too? (page 2)
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:For me, if if if if Caruso is a good enough back up PG type, he is instant playoff gold.He is the guy just like Josh Hart or OG that gets you that one steal or rebound or defensive play that wins you an incredibly tough Boston playoff game.
He can match the intensity of Derick White, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler for a full playoffs series, just not a game or 2. He has got the greatest of big balls just like Josh Hart.
There is a very very good possibility that Deuce and Grimes go into a hole and hide just like the playoffs last year, see IQ, Grimes, etc. They are nowhere near ready to play a 7 game ECF playoff series against Boston as Caruso is.
And to be sure, we are aiming to get to finals. That's the lens we are looking through.
I didn’t realize Caruso is shooting so well from 3.
So the way I see it, you ideally want Brunson, Randle and OG all playing around 34 mpg. DDV plays about 24 mpg or so. That’s 66 non-center bench minutes. Hart should be about 24 mpg as well, although he’s typically getting more. Caruso comes in and will play the same. So that leaves about 18 mpg. Ideally you add a scorer for those minutes. Hayward would be perfect via buyout but he will want to play more minutes. But if you can find someone who can score off the bench then Caruso is a perfect add. If not, you bump DDV, hart and Caruso all up to their 26 mpg or so and just play deuce the leftover 12 mins and live with the lack of scoring. The defense would be elite of course so the trade off is there. Just sort of what to consider.
Candidly, I don't know Caruso very well but I thought he was Josh Hart with a much much better 3point shot.
That’s mostly true. He’s not really a wing though, more of a combo guard. He is a connector offensively. He will handle the ball, keep it moving, he’s ok running a pick and roll, and he’s a knock down shooter. He’s an ideal PG next to a wing that is generating most of the offense. He’s a bigger prime pat Beverley.
Here is my thought process:
Caruso is not a PG but he can be off the bench. He is a guy that Thibs would trust 100%. Caruso will be a playoff dog in the way Deuce, Grimes, Precious may not be ready for. I mean, Randle is not even proven yet either.
During the regular season, if Brunson goes down for 2-5 games, Caruso would be good enough for that stretch. If Josh Hart needs a couple weeks off to get that knee fully back and primed for playoffs, you gladly sit him. OG goes down for a couple of games.... Caruso or Hart start and you still have the other guy off the bench with the young kids. If Hart is having a shooting funk, sit him and Caruso has his minutes. Randle goes down for a few games? OG slides to PF and your start Hart or Caruso.
Realistically, during playoffs, Brunson is playing 38 minutes. Or 48 depending on Thib's mood. You don't need a different type of back up PG than Caruso for 10 or less minutes.
Yes I totally agree with where you’re coming from. It makes perfect sense and Caruso would be a great fit here. I actually think the biggest problem is finding a workable trade. Caruso falls into that tough contract area that the Knicks can’t match very easily. Chicago would have to add a fair amount of salary for a Fournier trade to work. Dosumnu, Craig, Drummond etc. some combination of player. Not idea what they would want to do there. It’s not as clean as a Brogdon or brown deal where it’s Fournier plus any combination of Grimes or picks.
For what it’s worth, most of the reasons you like Caruso, Bruce brown would fit. He’s a great defender who can hold down some playmaking and also fill in for hart. He’s versatile. Thibs would trust him and he’s proven in the playoffs. The only thing he can’t do is shoot, but he’s not a non shooter.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:For me, if if if if Caruso is a good enough back up PG type, he is instant playoff gold.He is the guy just like Josh Hart or OG that gets you that one steal or rebound or defensive play that wins you an incredibly tough Boston playoff game.
He can match the intensity of Derick White, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler for a full playoffs series, just not a game or 2. He has got the greatest of big balls just like Josh Hart.
There is a very very good possibility that Deuce and Grimes go into a hole and hide just like the playoffs last year, see IQ, Grimes, etc. They are nowhere near ready to play a 7 game ECF playoff series against Boston as Caruso is.
And to be sure, we are aiming to get to finals. That's the lens we are looking through.
I didn’t realize Caruso is shooting so well from 3.
So the way I see it, you ideally want Brunson, Randle and OG all playing around 34 mpg. DDV plays about 24 mpg or so. That’s 66 non-center bench minutes. Hart should be about 24 mpg as well, although he’s typically getting more. Caruso comes in and will play the same. So that leaves about 18 mpg. Ideally you add a scorer for those minutes. Hayward would be perfect via buyout but he will want to play more minutes. But if you can find someone who can score off the bench then Caruso is a perfect add. If not, you bump DDV, hart and Caruso all up to their 26 mpg or so and just play deuce the leftover 12 mins and live with the lack of scoring. The defense would be elite of course so the trade off is there. Just sort of what to consider.
Candidly, I don't know Caruso very well but I thought he was Josh Hart with a much much better 3point shot.
That’s mostly true. He’s not really a wing though, more of a combo guard. He is a connector offensively. He will handle the ball, keep it moving, he’s ok running a pick and roll, and he’s a knock down shooter. He’s an ideal PG next to a wing that is generating most of the offense. He’s a bigger prime pat Beverley.
Here is my thought process:
Caruso is not a PG but he can be off the bench. He is a guy that Thibs would trust 100%. Caruso will be a playoff dog in the way Deuce, Grimes, Precious may not be ready for. I mean, Randle is not even proven yet either.
During the regular season, if Brunson goes down for 2-5 games, Caruso would be good enough for that stretch. If Josh Hart needs a couple weeks off to get that knee fully back and primed for playoffs, you gladly sit him. OG goes down for a couple of games.... Caruso or Hart start and you still have the other guy off the bench with the young kids. If Hart is having a shooting funk, sit him and Caruso has his minutes. Randle goes down for a few games? OG slides to PF and your start Hart or Caruso.
Realistically, during playoffs, Brunson is playing 38 minutes. Or 48 depending on Thib's mood. You don't need a different type of back up PG than Caruso for 10 or less minutes.
Yes I totally agree with where you’re coming from. It makes perfect sense and Caruso would be a great fit here. I actually think the biggest problem is finding a workable trade. Caruso falls into that tough contract area that the Knicks can’t match very easily. Chicago would have to add a fair amount of salary for a Fournier trade to work. Dosumnu, Craig, Drummond etc. some combination of player. Not idea what they would want to do there. It’s not as clean as a Brogdon or brown deal where it’s Fournier plus any combination of Grimes or picks.
For what it’s worth, most of the reasons you like Caruso, Bruce brown would fit. He’s a great defender who can hold down some playmaking and also fill in for hart. He’s versatile. Thibs would trust him and he’s proven in the playoffs. The only thing he can’t do is shoot, but he’s not a non shooter.
Fournier for Caruso and Jevon Carter works.
His contract is partially guaranteed for next year which I imagine will be picked up. its for less than 10mm.
Only knock on him is he misses a lot of games. I would imagine he is due a raise?
Very Thibian type of player. We might be topping out on how many we can utilize. At some point we also will have to score points and pay our existing guys.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:For me, if if if if Caruso is a good enough back up PG type, he is instant playoff gold.He is the guy just like Josh Hart or OG that gets you that one steal or rebound or defensive play that wins you an incredibly tough Boston playoff game.
He can match the intensity of Derick White, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler for a full playoffs series, just not a game or 2. He has got the greatest of big balls just like Josh Hart.
There is a very very good possibility that Deuce and Grimes go into a hole and hide just like the playoffs last year, see IQ, Grimes, etc. They are nowhere near ready to play a 7 game ECF playoff series against Boston as Caruso is.
And to be sure, we are aiming to get to finals. That's the lens we are looking through.
I didn’t realize Caruso is shooting so well from 3.
So the way I see it, you ideally want Brunson, Randle and OG all playing around 34 mpg. DDV plays about 24 mpg or so. That’s 66 non-center bench minutes. Hart should be about 24 mpg as well, although he’s typically getting more. Caruso comes in and will play the same. So that leaves about 18 mpg. Ideally you add a scorer for those minutes. Hayward would be perfect via buyout but he will want to play more minutes. But if you can find someone who can score off the bench then Caruso is a perfect add. If not, you bump DDV, hart and Caruso all up to their 26 mpg or so and just play deuce the leftover 12 mins and live with the lack of scoring. The defense would be elite of course so the trade off is there. Just sort of what to consider.
Candidly, I don't know Caruso very well but I thought he was Josh Hart with a much much better 3point shot.
That’s mostly true. He’s not really a wing though, more of a combo guard. He is a connector offensively. He will handle the ball, keep it moving, he’s ok running a pick and roll, and he’s a knock down shooter. He’s an ideal PG next to a wing that is generating most of the offense. He’s a bigger prime pat Beverley.
Here is my thought process:
Caruso is not a PG but he can be off the bench. He is a guy that Thibs would trust 100%. Caruso will be a playoff dog in the way Deuce, Grimes, Precious may not be ready for. I mean, Randle is not even proven yet either.
During the regular season, if Brunson goes down for 2-5 games, Caruso would be good enough for that stretch. If Josh Hart needs a couple weeks off to get that knee fully back and primed for playoffs, you gladly sit him. OG goes down for a couple of games.... Caruso or Hart start and you still have the other guy off the bench with the young kids. If Hart is having a shooting funk, sit him and Caruso has his minutes. Randle goes down for a few games? OG slides to PF and your start Hart or Caruso.
Realistically, during playoffs, Brunson is playing 38 minutes. Or 48 depending on Thib's mood. You don't need a different type of back up PG than Caruso for 10 or less minutes.
Yes I totally agree with where you’re coming from. It makes perfect sense and Caruso would be a great fit here. I actually think the biggest problem is finding a workable trade. Caruso falls into that tough contract area that the Knicks can’t match very easily. Chicago would have to add a fair amount of salary for a Fournier trade to work. Dosumnu, Craig, Drummond etc. some combination of player. Not idea what they would want to do there. It’s not as clean as a Brogdon or brown deal where it’s Fournier plus any combination of Grimes or picks.
For what it’s worth, most of the reasons you like Caruso, Bruce brown would fit. He’s a great defender who can hold down some playmaking and also fill in for hart. He’s versatile. Thibs would trust him and he’s proven in the playoffs. The only thing he can’t do is shoot, but he’s not a non shooter.
Fournier for Caruso and Jevon Carter works.
Ok that’s not bad assuming Carter is treated as a filler and doesn’t required added value. If we assume the deal requires 2 first round picks (one of our 2024 picks and an additional protected pick from Milwaukee, Detroit or Washington) I can get on board. Then move grimes to a team for something because he’s out of the rotation at that point. Maybe to Atlanta for Griffin. Then waive Flynn and we are probably in business.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:For me, if if if if Caruso is a good enough back up PG type, he is instant playoff gold.He is the guy just like Josh Hart or OG that gets you that one steal or rebound or defensive play that wins you an incredibly tough Boston playoff game.
He can match the intensity of Derick White, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler for a full playoffs series, just not a game or 2. He has got the greatest of big balls just like Josh Hart.
There is a very very good possibility that Deuce and Grimes go into a hole and hide just like the playoffs last year, see IQ, Grimes, etc. They are nowhere near ready to play a 7 game ECF playoff series against Boston as Caruso is.
And to be sure, we are aiming to get to finals. That's the lens we are looking through.
I didn’t realize Caruso is shooting so well from 3.
So the way I see it, you ideally want Brunson, Randle and OG all playing around 34 mpg. DDV plays about 24 mpg or so. That’s 66 non-center bench minutes. Hart should be about 24 mpg as well, although he’s typically getting more. Caruso comes in and will play the same. So that leaves about 18 mpg. Ideally you add a scorer for those minutes. Hayward would be perfect via buyout but he will want to play more minutes. But if you can find someone who can score off the bench then Caruso is a perfect add. If not, you bump DDV, hart and Caruso all up to their 26 mpg or so and just play deuce the leftover 12 mins and live with the lack of scoring. The defense would be elite of course so the trade off is there. Just sort of what to consider.
Candidly, I don't know Caruso very well but I thought he was Josh Hart with a much much better 3point shot.
That’s mostly true. He’s not really a wing though, more of a combo guard. He is a connector offensively. He will handle the ball, keep it moving, he’s ok running a pick and roll, and he’s a knock down shooter. He’s an ideal PG next to a wing that is generating most of the offense. He’s a bigger prime pat Beverley.
Here is my thought process:
Caruso is not a PG but he can be off the bench. He is a guy that Thibs would trust 100%. Caruso will be a playoff dog in the way Deuce, Grimes, Precious may not be ready for. I mean, Randle is not even proven yet either.
During the regular season, if Brunson goes down for 2-5 games, Caruso would be good enough for that stretch. If Josh Hart needs a couple weeks off to get that knee fully back and primed for playoffs, you gladly sit him. OG goes down for a couple of games.... Caruso or Hart start and you still have the other guy off the bench with the young kids. If Hart is having a shooting funk, sit him and Caruso has his minutes. Randle goes down for a few games? OG slides to PF and your start Hart or Caruso.
Realistically, during playoffs, Brunson is playing 38 minutes. Or 48 depending on Thib's mood. You don't need a different type of back up PG than Caruso for 10 or less minutes.
Yes I totally agree with where you’re coming from. It makes perfect sense and Caruso would be a great fit here. I actually think the biggest problem is finding a workable trade. Caruso falls into that tough contract area that the Knicks can’t match very easily. Chicago would have to add a fair amount of salary for a Fournier trade to work. Dosumnu, Craig, Drummond etc. some combination of player. Not idea what they would want to do there. It’s not as clean as a Brogdon or brown deal where it’s Fournier plus any combination of Grimes or picks.
For what it’s worth, most of the reasons you like Caruso, Bruce brown would fit. He’s a great defender who can hold down some playmaking and also fill in for hart. He’s versatile. Thibs would trust him and he’s proven in the playoffs. The only thing he can’t do is shoot, but he’s not a non shooter.
Fournier for Caruso and Jevon Carter works.
Ok that’s not bad assuming Carter is treated as a filler and doesn’t required added value. If we assume the deal requires 2 first round picks (one of our 2024 picks and an additional protected pick from Milwaukee, Detroit or Washington) I can get on board. Then move grimes to a team for something because he’s out of the rotation at that point. Maybe to Atlanta for Griffin. Then waive Flynn and we are probably in business.
Exactly what I was thinking
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:For me, if if if if Caruso is a good enough back up PG type, he is instant playoff gold.He is the guy just like Josh Hart or OG that gets you that one steal or rebound or defensive play that wins you an incredibly tough Boston playoff game.
He can match the intensity of Derick White, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler for a full playoffs series, just not a game or 2. He has got the greatest of big balls just like Josh Hart.
There is a very very good possibility that Deuce and Grimes go into a hole and hide just like the playoffs last year, see IQ, Grimes, etc. They are nowhere near ready to play a 7 game ECF playoff series against Boston as Caruso is.
And to be sure, we are aiming to get to finals. That's the lens we are looking through.
I didn’t realize Caruso is shooting so well from 3.
So the way I see it, you ideally want Brunson, Randle and OG all playing around 34 mpg. DDV plays about 24 mpg or so. That’s 66 non-center bench minutes. Hart should be about 24 mpg as well, although he’s typically getting more. Caruso comes in and will play the same. So that leaves about 18 mpg. Ideally you add a scorer for those minutes. Hayward would be perfect via buyout but he will want to play more minutes. But if you can find someone who can score off the bench then Caruso is a perfect add. If not, you bump DDV, hart and Caruso all up to their 26 mpg or so and just play deuce the leftover 12 mins and live with the lack of scoring. The defense would be elite of course so the trade off is there. Just sort of what to consider.
Candidly, I don't know Caruso very well but I thought he was Josh Hart with a much much better 3point shot.
That’s mostly true. He’s not really a wing though, more of a combo guard. He is a connector offensively. He will handle the ball, keep it moving, he’s ok running a pick and roll, and he’s a knock down shooter. He’s an ideal PG next to a wing that is generating most of the offense. He’s a bigger prime pat Beverley.
Here is my thought process:
Caruso is not a PG but he can be off the bench. He is a guy that Thibs would trust 100%. Caruso will be a playoff dog in the way Deuce, Grimes, Precious may not be ready for. I mean, Randle is not even proven yet either.
During the regular season, if Brunson goes down for 2-5 games, Caruso would be good enough for that stretch. If Josh Hart needs a couple weeks off to get that knee fully back and primed for playoffs, you gladly sit him. OG goes down for a couple of games.... Caruso or Hart start and you still have the other guy off the bench with the young kids. If Hart is having a shooting funk, sit him and Caruso has his minutes. Randle goes down for a few games? OG slides to PF and your start Hart or Caruso.
Realistically, during playoffs, Brunson is playing 38 minutes. Or 48 depending on Thib's mood. You don't need a different type of back up PG than Caruso for 10 or less minutes.
I like the idea if Caruso can stay healthy. Thought I read about injuries since the trade. His role on the Knicks would be kind of like Burks's. Swiss Army knife. I disagree about slotting him in as a PG. Next to a good veteran PG, and Mitch. That would be a competitive second unit.
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:For me, if if if if Caruso is a good enough back up PG type, he is instant playoff gold.He is the guy just like Josh Hart or OG that gets you that one steal or rebound or defensive play that wins you an incredibly tough Boston playoff game.
He can match the intensity of Derick White, Jrue Holiday, Jimmy Butler for a full playoffs series, just not a game or 2. He has got the greatest of big balls just like Josh Hart.
There is a very very good possibility that Deuce and Grimes go into a hole and hide just like the playoffs last year, see IQ, Grimes, etc. They are nowhere near ready to play a 7 game ECF playoff series against Boston as Caruso is.
And to be sure, we are aiming to get to finals. That's the lens we are looking through.
I didn’t realize Caruso is shooting so well from 3.
So the way I see it, you ideally want Brunson, Randle and OG all playing around 34 mpg. DDV plays about 24 mpg or so. That’s 66 non-center bench minutes. Hart should be about 24 mpg as well, although he’s typically getting more. Caruso comes in and will play the same. So that leaves about 18 mpg. Ideally you add a scorer for those minutes. Hayward would be perfect via buyout but he will want to play more minutes. But if you can find someone who can score off the bench then Caruso is a perfect add. If not, you bump DDV, hart and Caruso all up to their 26 mpg or so and just play deuce the leftover 12 mins and live with the lack of scoring. The defense would be elite of course so the trade off is there. Just sort of what to consider.
Candidly, I don't know Caruso very well but I thought he was Josh Hart with a much much better 3point shot.
That’s mostly true. He’s not really a wing though, more of a combo guard. He is a connector offensively. He will handle the ball, keep it moving, he’s ok running a pick and roll, and he’s a knock down shooter. He’s an ideal PG next to a wing that is generating most of the offense. He’s a bigger prime pat Beverley.
Here is my thought process:
Caruso is not a PG but he can be off the bench. He is a guy that Thibs would trust 100%. Caruso will be a playoff dog in the way Deuce, Grimes, Precious may not be ready for. I mean, Randle is not even proven yet either.
During the regular season, if Brunson goes down for 2-5 games, Caruso would be good enough for that stretch. If Josh Hart needs a couple weeks off to get that knee fully back and primed for playoffs, you gladly sit him. OG goes down for a couple of games.... Caruso or Hart start and you still have the other guy off the bench with the young kids. If Hart is having a shooting funk, sit him and Caruso has his minutes. Randle goes down for a few games? OG slides to PF and your start Hart or Caruso.
Realistically, during playoffs, Brunson is playing 38 minutes. Or 48 depending on Thib's mood. You don't need a different type of back up PG than Caruso for 10 or less minutes.
I like the idea if Caruso can stay healthy. Thought I read about injuries since the trade. His role on the Knicks would be kind of like Burks's. Swiss Army knife. I disagree about slotting him in as a PG. Next to a good veteran PG, and Mitch. That would be a competitive second unit.
Yeah, Caruso is more of a tertiary ball handler/connector. I wouldn't mind him, but he's not a real need right now. We already have OG, Josh, DDV and Grimes. They pretty much overlap with Caruso's skillset.
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