Knicks · Bojan & the 2 picks (page 2)
martin wrote:^OK next question: why is Washington giving up Deni for Bogs and only 2 picks? What’s their motivation to move Deni?
Doesn't seem to be a difference maker for them currently. Coulibaly is their future at SF. 2 first round draft picks for 2024 is too good a value to pass up. Tho they would probably need to sweeten it.
They would have 4 choices in this draft. Giving them the flexibility to net the PG, PF & C of the future.
martin wrote:^OK next question: why is Washington giving up Deni for Bogs and only 2 picks? What’s their motivation to move Deni?
What's Deni's functional NBA position? He's more 4/3 than 3/4 from what I can see and I think he and Coulibaly can fit long-term. If anything, it would make more sense for them to move Kuz. Would 2 picks be too much for Kyle?
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:^OK next question: why is Washington giving up Deni for Bogs and only 2 picks? What’s their motivation to move Deni?What's Deni's functional NBA position? He's more 4/3 than 3/4 from what I can see and I think he and Coulibaly can fit long-term. If anything, it would make more sense for them to move Kuz. Would 2 picks be too much for Kyle?
Kuzma is far from a Thibs guy. Maybe he works in a three team for a different player.
DDV / Hart - Situational. No needed changes. We lack “positional size” and may struggle with larger guards. So, a Mikal Bridges would make some sense, but that’s not an easy move to make.
OG / ___ a backup SF here will like get decent usage. Ideally, we’d draft a 3&d wing here. We have the ability to bring in an archetype here and the core to develop that. I’d use one pick here.
Randle / Precious. The eternal debate. Randle came here and built a culture. His efficiency and effort lag at time.
But if there is a place that a move could be made, it’s here. I love the Jonathan Isaac MLE possibility. I think if a superior appears, (not KAT), you have to be thinking about it.
Hart/ Robinson / Sims. You have to be worried about the apron when talking about resigning Hart. I would do it. And deal with it. Dollar for dollar Therese guys match timeline.
My offseason is keeping OG, Hart, Achiuwa. Drafting a 3&D. Adding positional size with any remaining resources.
McBride/Anunoby/Isaac/Achiuwa/Robinson to close out a game would be perhaps the best defense I have ever seen.
EwingsGlass wrote:Brunson/McBride - No changes neededDDV / Hart - Situational. No needed changes. We lack “positional size” and may struggle with larger guards. So, a Mikal Bridges would make some sense, but that’s not an easy move to make.
OG / ___ a backup SF here will like get decent usage. Ideally, we’d draft a 3&d wing here. We have the ability to bring in an archetype here and the core to develop that. I’d use one pick here.
Randle / Precious. The eternal debate. Randle came here and built a culture. His efficiency and effort lag at time.
But if there is a place that a move could be made, it’s here. I love the Jonathan Isaac MLE possibility. I think if a superior appears, (not KAT), you have to be thinking about it.Hart/ Robinson / Sims. You have to be worried about the apron when talking about resigning Hart. I would do it. And deal with it. Dollar for dollar Therese guys match timeline.
My offseason is keeping OG, Hart, Achiuwa. Drafting a 3&D. Adding positional size with any remaining resources.
McBride/Anunoby/Isaac/Achiuwa/Robinson to close out a game would be perhaps the best defense I have ever seen.
And Isaac hits the 3. Could potentially plug him into that spot and then trade both 1st for more future picks continuing to load up the chest.
Mcbride/Hart/Isaac/Precious/Robinson the length from the 3-5 would be insane to go with the DOGS at G.
martin wrote:^OK next question: why is Washington giving up Deni for Bogs and only 2 picks? What’s their motivation to move Deni?
They may not be willing, but Washington is in complete tear down mode and seem to be willing to trade anything for first round picks. They almost traded Kuzma to Dallas until he said no thanks. Outside of the rookie, they are just trying to turn over everything. They are a bad franchise and this is how to take advantage of them.
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We could easily offer 4 1sts, if BK could just get over the idea of not dealing with us.
nycericanguy wrote:Mikal still makes a ton of sense here, especially if OG is gonna be a 50-60 game a year player.We could easily offer 4 1sts, if BK could just get over the idea of not dealing with us.
Knicks 2024, Dallas 2024, Mil 2025, Detroit 2025, Bogs, Deuce.
Trade stings on both sides. Who says no?
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Mikal still makes a ton of sense here, especially if OG is gonna be a 50-60 game a year player.We could easily offer 4 1sts, if BK could just get over the idea of not dealing with us.
Knicks 2024, Dallas 2024, Mil 2025, Detroit 2025, Bogs, Deuce.
Trade stings on both sides. Who says no?
have no problem with the picks but we cant trade Duece, Burks has been trash on both ends and we need a backup PG. and really Deuce is the backup SG now too.
I think you can make a deal without him, include Sims. Or Mitch or Mitch to a 3rd team.
but the Nets are in a position where they may have to pay Claxton 20-25m per and he's def not worth that. So maybe Mitch or Sims would be good alternatives for them.
I think we could also take Cam Johnson's contracts off their hands if they wanted to unload that.
nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Mikal still makes a ton of sense here, especially if OG is gonna be a 50-60 game a year player.We could easily offer 4 1sts, if BK could just get over the idea of not dealing with us.
Knicks 2024, Dallas 2024, Mil 2025, Detroit 2025, Bogs, Deuce.
Trade stings on both sides. Who says no?
have no problem with the picks but we cant trade Duece, Burks has been trash on both ends and we need a backup PG. and really Deuce is the backup SG now too.
I think you can make a deal without him, include Sims. Or Mitch or Mitch to a 3rd team.
but the Nets are in a position where they may have to pay Claxton 20-25m per and he's def not worth that. So maybe Mitch or Sims would be good alternatives for them.
I think we could also take Cam Johnson's contracts off their hands if they wanted to unload that.
Brunson, Mikal, OG, Randle, iHart. Rokas, DDV, Hart, Precious, Mitch is pretty stout?
martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:martin wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Mikal still makes a ton of sense here, especially if OG is gonna be a 50-60 game a year player.We could easily offer 4 1sts, if BK could just get over the idea of not dealing with us.
Knicks 2024, Dallas 2024, Mil 2025, Detroit 2025, Bogs, Deuce.
Trade stings on both sides. Who says no?
have no problem with the picks but we cant trade Duece, Burks has been trash on both ends and we need a backup PG. and really Deuce is the backup SG now too.
I think you can make a deal without him, include Sims. Or Mitch or Mitch to a 3rd team.
but the Nets are in a position where they may have to pay Claxton 20-25m per and he's def not worth that. So maybe Mitch or Sims would be good alternatives for them.
I think we could also take Cam Johnson's contracts off their hands if they wanted to unload that.
Brunson, Mikal, OG, Randle, iHart. Rokas, DDV, Hart, Precious, Mitch is pretty stout?
Rokas is a wildcard, if he'd come over then I prob do it.
but trading Deuce now seems just...wrong, and I think considering his value contract, and the guys that we need to pay big money to, he's someone we'd keep out of any deal unless there is another star PG coming back like DM or DJM.
I think 4 1sts plus Sims is a great offer as is.
nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Rookie wrote:Do you really think it would take 2 FRP’s to move Bojan Bogdanovic? I mean, he sucks but🤣He was brought in for 2 prong. Prong 1 is to help in a playoff push. Currently he is struggling to fulfill that. But playoffs haven't started yet. 2 prong is to be able to utilize that $20mil expiring for a player that can help with a future playoff push.
Except if they don’t pick up his team option because we need the cap room to sign our FA’s like OG and IHart. Even Precious. When does his salary guarantee for next season?
we aren't going to operate as an under the cap team.
we have to resign OG with bird rights and IHart with early bird.
cant imagine a scenario where we dont pick up Bogs option, his contract is the only way we can trade for a star.
You need to look at the penalties for going over the apron. No team wants to be over the apron
A big part of the knicks trading for Bogs was his contract, they didn't trade for him just to decline it and have no way to match a star contract. I'm sure they've gone over the scenarios for cap and apron. the big penalties are for repeat offenders.
I do think Mitch is a possibility to be shopped though.
OK, so what does the math look like?
2024-25 Projected Salary cap 141 Million
2024-25 Knicks Team Salary including Bogdanovic Team Option 122,927,937
Randle 30,317,760
Brunson 24,960,001
Bogdanovic 19,032,850
Robinson 14,318,182
Hart 18,144,000
DiVincenzo 11,445,000
McBride 4,710,144
Projected Luxury Tax 172,000,000 (49,072,063)
Projected 1st Apron 178,665,000 (55,737,063)
Projected 2nd Apron 189,385,000
Free Agents
OG Anunoby
iHart
Precious
Skill, fit, chemistry, contract, position. He is a ball mover and passer in the same vein as Hart, DDV, iHart while being defensive minded and very switchable. Shooting 40% from downtown this year on decent volume. Assists and rebounds up every year.
I’d move Bogs (who Washington could prob move again depending on his playoff performance), Precious, Knicks 2024, Dallas 2024 (or keep one and offer up Detroit or Mil pick).
Brunson, DDV, OG, Randle, iHart. Deuce, Hart, Deni, Mitch.
You get younger. You get a nice contract to offset future salaries of OG Brunson Randle iHart.
Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Rookie wrote:Do you really think it would take 2 FRP’s to move Bojan Bogdanovic? I mean, he sucks but🤣He was brought in for 2 prong. Prong 1 is to help in a playoff push. Currently he is struggling to fulfill that. But playoffs haven't started yet. 2 prong is to be able to utilize that $20mil expiring for a player that can help with a future playoff push.
Except if they don’t pick up his team option because we need the cap room to sign our FA’s like OG and IHart. Even Precious. When does his salary guarantee for next season?
we aren't going to operate as an under the cap team.
we have to resign OG with bird rights and IHart with early bird.
cant imagine a scenario where we dont pick up Bogs option, his contract is the only way we can trade for a star.
You need to look at the penalties for going over the apron. No team wants to be over the apron
A big part of the knicks trading for Bogs was his contract, they didn't trade for him just to decline it and have no way to match a star contract. I'm sure they've gone over the scenarios for cap and apron. the big penalties are for repeat offenders.
I do think Mitch is a possibility to be shopped though.
OK, so what does the math look like?
2024-25 Projected Salary cap 141 Million
2024-25 Knicks Team Salary including Bogdanovic Team Option 122,927,937
Randle 30,317,760
Brunson 24,960,001
Bogdanovic 19,032,850
Robinson 14,318,182
Hart 18,144,000
DiVincenzo 11,445,000
McBride 4,710,144Projected Luxury Tax 172,000,000 (49,072,063)
Projected 1st Apron 178,665,000 (55,737,063)
Projected 2nd Apron 189,385,000
Free Agents
OG Anunoby
iHart
Precious
we're going to be at or very close to the 1st Apron but that's not exactly a death sentence to hit the apron one year. Bogs either comes off the following year, or he's the salary centerpiece for a star trade.
OG + Ihart are going to cost somewhere around $50m, and I assume we will make at least make 1 draft pick for another $3m or so.
You really think we are going to take ourselves out of the trade market for a star and decline Bogs?
nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Rookie wrote:Do you really think it would take 2 FRP’s to move Bojan Bogdanovic? I mean, he sucks but🤣He was brought in for 2 prong. Prong 1 is to help in a playoff push. Currently he is struggling to fulfill that. But playoffs haven't started yet. 2 prong is to be able to utilize that $20mil expiring for a player that can help with a future playoff push.
Except if they don’t pick up his team option because we need the cap room to sign our FA’s like OG and IHart. Even Precious. When does his salary guarantee for next season?
we aren't going to operate as an under the cap team.
we have to resign OG with bird rights and IHart with early bird.
cant imagine a scenario where we dont pick up Bogs option, his contract is the only way we can trade for a star.
You need to look at the penalties for going over the apron. No team wants to be over the apron
A big part of the knicks trading for Bogs was his contract, they didn't trade for him just to decline it and have no way to match a star contract. I'm sure they've gone over the scenarios for cap and apron. the big penalties are for repeat offenders.
I do think Mitch is a possibility to be shopped though.
OK, so what does the math look like?
2024-25 Projected Salary cap 141 Million
2024-25 Knicks Team Salary including Bogdanovic Team Option 122,927,937
Randle 30,317,760
Brunson 24,960,001
Bogdanovic 19,032,850
Robinson 14,318,182
Hart 18,144,000
DiVincenzo 11,445,000
McBride 4,710,144Projected Luxury Tax 172,000,000 (49,072,063)
Projected 1st Apron 178,665,000 (55,737,063)
Projected 2nd Apron 189,385,000
Free Agents
OG Anunoby
iHart
Preciouswe're going to be at or very close to the 1st Apron but that's not exactly a death sentence to hit the apron one year. Bogs either comes off the following year, or he's the salary centerpiece for a star trade.
OG + Ihart are going to cost somewhere around $50m, and I assume we will make at least make 1 draft pick for another $3m or so.
You really think we are going to take ourselves out of the trade market for a star and decline Bogs?
no chance of that; its a big reason why they made the trade. They didn't want to lose the Evan asset for nothing.
also think OG is going to request $35-40 per
jaydh wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:nycericanguy wrote:Rookie wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Rookie wrote:Do you really think it would take 2 FRP’s to move Bojan Bogdanovic? I mean, he sucks but🤣He was brought in for 2 prong. Prong 1 is to help in a playoff push. Currently he is struggling to fulfill that. But playoffs haven't started yet. 2 prong is to be able to utilize that $20mil expiring for a player that can help with a future playoff push.
Except if they don’t pick up his team option because we need the cap room to sign our FA’s like OG and IHart. Even Precious. When does his salary guarantee for next season?
we aren't going to operate as an under the cap team.
we have to resign OG with bird rights and IHart with early bird.
cant imagine a scenario where we dont pick up Bogs option, his contract is the only way we can trade for a star.
You need to look at the penalties for going over the apron. No team wants to be over the apron
A big part of the knicks trading for Bogs was his contract, they didn't trade for him just to decline it and have no way to match a star contract. I'm sure they've gone over the scenarios for cap and apron. the big penalties are for repeat offenders.
I do think Mitch is a possibility to be shopped though.
OK, so what does the math look like?
2024-25 Projected Salary cap 141 Million
2024-25 Knicks Team Salary including Bogdanovic Team Option 122,927,937
Randle 30,317,760
Brunson 24,960,001
Bogdanovic 19,032,850
Robinson 14,318,182
Hart 18,144,000
DiVincenzo 11,445,000
McBride 4,710,144Projected Luxury Tax 172,000,000 (49,072,063)
Projected 1st Apron 178,665,000 (55,737,063)
Projected 2nd Apron 189,385,000
Free Agents
OG Anunoby
iHart
Preciouswe're going to be at or very close to the 1st Apron but that's not exactly a death sentence to hit the apron one year. Bogs either comes off the following year, or he's the salary centerpiece for a star trade.
OG + Ihart are going to cost somewhere around $50m, and I assume we will make at least make 1 draft pick for another $3m or so.
You really think we are going to take ourselves out of the trade market for a star and decline Bogs?
no chance of that; its a big reason why they made the trade. They didn't want to lose the Evan asset for nothing.
also think OG is going to request $35-40 per
It’s part of the equation is all. Fournier had the same contract option as Bogs by way. It’s why I ask when the option guarantees. I still think we need to add some youth in the draft. Also, teams are going to ask for our role players. You’re going to have to send some talent out in these star trade scenarios. Some times you win, some times you lose. I think we won’t the OG trade but lost the trade with Detroit that brought Bogs and Burks. Again I’m not saying we shouldn’t have traded Grimes but that we should have gotten a better player back.
martin wrote:Yeah Id overpay in terms of draft picks for this kid based on potential, fit, and contract.
Does he play D?