DD/Josh/Isaiah combine for 19 assists (6 TOs). This is what happens when you get the ball out of Brunson's hands. DD gets a jumper in space (a good shot), Josh goes right to the rim (a good shot) or Isaiah finds a cutter or floater those look pretty damn good too
Kinda reminds me of the Heat and when you play Bam/Butler well but their roll players are killing you.
EwingPSD wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nice win - thanks to Jalen, Josh, OG, I-Hart and Donte despite some lazy/crazy playsConcerns coming out of this one ——
- Bogey didn’t play in 2nd (I don’t think and was holding that wrist in 1st half)
- Mitch played 20 minutes, barely dented the box score and was invisible guarding screen/roll,or the basket
- I long for more Precious
- we are so reliant on Jalen with the ball and Josh/Donte sometimes careless with the rock
- in hindsight wish we’d found a more legit ball handler at the deadline (RIP “Put him in the trunk” Burks
I am not saying I wouldn't welcome a 2nd ball handler but I don't think we need one when JB is on the floor. If a team blitzes they are giving up an advantage. You don't need a second ball handler to create one. Be properly spaced, take the CnS 3 when open, move the ball faster than rotations, and drive downhill if you have a 4 on 3. Guys like Hart, DDV, Deuce, I-Hart, and OG are good enough with the ball to do these things.
Yeah I was talking more so when Jalen sits.
martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:LivingLegend wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nice win - thanks to Jalen, Josh, OG, I-Hart and Donte despite some lazy/crazy playsConcerns coming out of this one ——
- Bogey didn’t play in 2nd (I don’t think and was holding that wrist in 1st half)
- Mitch played 20 minutes, barely dented the box score and was invisible guarding screen/roll,or the basket
- I long for more Precious
- we are so reliant on Jalen with the ball and Josh/Donte sometimes careless with the rock
- in hindsight wish we’d found a more legit ball handler at the deadline (RIP “Put him in the trunk” Burks
I’ll add with Precious instead of Mitch we miss some rim protection but we add a legit wing defender to contain penetration and switch high/screen roll.
Hope Mitch body wakes up fast but if he’s a dud hope Thibs throws the Precious switch
Let's see what we do in different matchups. CHI dominated the boards on us in the first matchup. Thibs most likely had a game plan to keep size on them and stuck to it even when Drummond went out.
Also, like Bogey, I think it's important to get Mitch into a groove. He needs reps. I think Mitch is going to have a long leash to work himself back into game shape.
100%. Didn't even see this yet and just posted same.
Not disagreeing that it’s important to get Mitch into a groove or that Thibs will give him a long leash.
Now - having agreed on those fronts I do wonder if Mitch over Precious is the right move. Yes Mitch had big series vs Cavs but also he was invisible vs Heat when Bam destroyed us. If there is a 1 trick pony in this league it’s Mitch.
If I compare Mitch to Precious I certainly give Mitch the rim protection nod but if I consider passing, scoring, free throw shooting - straight man D, switchable D, running the floor I give those all to Precious and quite frankly when given minutes Precious was offensive rebounding at an elite level and dare u say he may be the better overall rebounder. Big thing is defensive versatility and he doesn’t kill our offensive flow.
I’m probably underestimating Mitch’s rim protection impact but he’s always been a player that’s left me underwhelmed as a basketball player.
How do you go 5 years and not improve any facet of your game besides being stronger???
martin wrote:OG is really good at spacing and finding spacing. I just love the way he moves into gapsAnd this isn't a dig on RJ or Grimes (and perhaps even IQ to a lesser degree) but I don't think either of those guys knew how to relocate like OG and DDV do. It's the same with Mitch versus iHart. Mostly an experience thing. Makes it a thousand times easier for Brunson.
Great timing by OG - understands when/where and spacing. Where we lack pure scoring talent in Julius there is the hope that collectively without Julius maybe a more movement/cutting based offense can keep us close late in games. It is daunting thinking we really only have 1 legit creator where many other teams will have minimum 2 and sometimes 3.
LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:LivingLegend wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nice win - thanks to Jalen, Josh, OG, I-Hart and Donte despite some lazy/crazy playsConcerns coming out of this one ——
- Bogey didn’t play in 2nd (I don’t think and was holding that wrist in 1st half)
- Mitch played 20 minutes, barely dented the box score and was invisible guarding screen/roll,or the basket
- I long for more Precious
- we are so reliant on Jalen with the ball and Josh/Donte sometimes careless with the rock
- in hindsight wish we’d found a more legit ball handler at the deadline (RIP “Put him in the trunk” Burks
I’ll add with Precious instead of Mitch we miss some rim protection but we add a legit wing defender to contain penetration and switch high/screen roll.
Hope Mitch body wakes up fast but if he’s a dud hope Thibs throws the Precious switch
Let's see what we do in different matchups. CHI dominated the boards on us in the first matchup. Thibs most likely had a game plan to keep size on them and stuck to it even when Drummond went out.
Also, like Bogey, I think it's important to get Mitch into a groove. He needs reps. I think Mitch is going to have a long leash to work himself back into game shape.
100%. Didn't even see this yet and just posted same.
Not disagreeing that it’s important to get Mitch into a groove or that Thibs will give him a long leash.
Now - having agreed on those fronts I do wonder if Mitch over Precious is the right move. Yes Mitch had big series vs Cavs but also he was invisible vs Heat when Bam destroyed us. If there is a 1 trick pony in this league it’s Mitch.
If I compare Mitch to Precious I certainly give Mitch the rim protection nod but if I consider passing, scoring, free throw shooting - straight man D, switchable D, running the floor I give those all to Precious and quite frankly when given minutes Precious was offensive rebounding at an elite level and dare u say he may be the better overall rebounder. Big thing is defensive versatility and he doesn’t kill our offensive flow.
I’m probably underestimating Mitch’s rim protection impact but he’s always been a player that’s left me underwhelmed as a basketball player.
How do you go 5 years and not improve any facet of your game besides being stronger???
How about this take: If we happen to match up against Philly, Mitch is more important than Precious. Same with Cleveland.
Precious prob get minutes against Miami, Boston.
Like that.
martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:DLeethal wrote:LivingLegend wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Nice win - thanks to Jalen, Josh, OG, I-Hart and Donte despite some lazy/crazy playsConcerns coming out of this one ——
- Bogey didn’t play in 2nd (I don’t think and was holding that wrist in 1st half)
- Mitch played 20 minutes, barely dented the box score and was invisible guarding screen/roll,or the basket
- I long for more Precious
- we are so reliant on Jalen with the ball and Josh/Donte sometimes careless with the rock
- in hindsight wish we’d found a more legit ball handler at the deadline (RIP “Put him in the trunk” Burks
I’ll add with Precious instead of Mitch we miss some rim protection but we add a legit wing defender to contain penetration and switch high/screen roll.
Hope Mitch body wakes up fast but if he’s a dud hope Thibs throws the Precious switch
Let's see what we do in different matchups. CHI dominated the boards on us in the first matchup. Thibs most likely had a game plan to keep size on them and stuck to it even when Drummond went out.
Also, like Bogey, I think it's important to get Mitch into a groove. He needs reps. I think Mitch is going to have a long leash to work himself back into game shape.
100%. Didn't even see this yet and just posted same.
Not disagreeing that it’s important to get Mitch into a groove or that Thibs will give him a long leash.
Now - having agreed on those fronts I do wonder if Mitch over Precious is the right move. Yes Mitch had big series vs Cavs but also he was invisible vs Heat when Bam destroyed us. If there is a 1 trick pony in this league it’s Mitch.
If I compare Mitch to Precious I certainly give Mitch the rim protection nod but if I consider passing, scoring, free throw shooting - straight man D, switchable D, running the floor I give those all to Precious and quite frankly when given minutes Precious was offensive rebounding at an elite level and dare u say he may be the better overall rebounder. Big thing is defensive versatility and he doesn’t kill our offensive flow.
I’m probably underestimating Mitch’s rim protection impact but he’s always been a player that’s left me underwhelmed as a basketball player.
How do you go 5 years and not improve any facet of your game besides being stronger???
How about this take: If we happen to match up against Philly, Mitch is more important than Precious. Same with Cleveland.
Precious prob get minutes against Miami, Boston.
Like that.
I think even some of us Thibs “likers” have some anxiety about him having a doghouse. For the most part I’d say it’s not a doghouse so much as him being firm in his philosophy - some would put it as stuck in his ways. But since the guiding point of that philosophy is to win, I suspect this last point could be the case. Which player gives you the best matchup. In the meantime I also agree he’s trying to shake the rust off Mitch and OG.
Just talking for a second about the Bulls - we got outrebounded in both games against them this week. It closer yesterday, but with Drummond sitting out the 2nd half, was still a decent margin. We rarely get beat on the boards, so kudos for them for playing the size/hustle game better. I think they are much tougher team than they were earlier this year- DeMar and Coby White are tough, Caruso is a hard nosed player, we've ALWAYS had problems with Vuc who is a very good offensive big. They could give someone difficulty in the play in rounds. The chances of them playing the Heat again in a single elimination seem high, and I think they could take them.
That said I think DRUMMOND is actually key. He seems to be really playing well for them despite appearing to be wildly out of shape. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone get wheeled off before.
VDesai wrote:Just talking for a second about the Bulls - we got outrebounded in both games against them this week. It closer yesterday, but with Drummond sitting out the 2nd half, was still a decent margin. We rarely get beat on the boards, so kudos for them for playing the size/hustle game better. I think they are much tougher team than they were earlier this year- DeMar and Coby White are tough, Caruso is a hard nosed player, we've ALWAYS had problems with Vuc who is a very good offensive big. They could give someone difficulty in the play in rounds. The chances of them playing the Heat again in a single elimination seem high, and I think they could take them.That said I think DRUMMOND is actually key. He seems to be really playing well for them despite appearing to be wildly out of shape. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone get wheeled off before.
The play in for both conferences is nuts. The only situation that Trae Young scares me is a single elimination game cause he can go off and do some crazy things. Mia/Phili playing each other for 7/8 is also nuts. I just cant wait. Hope Indy holds onto 6. Pacers Knicks would be a fun first round also (anxiety)
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