JesseDark wrote:My namesake!
can you lend any background as to why you chose "JesseDark" as your UK name?
Nalod wrote:JesseDark wrote:My namesake!
can you lend any background as to why you chose "JesseDark" as your UK name?
I chose the name to separate the older basketball heads from the younger. Over the years there have been a few that recognized the name.
JesseDark wrote:Nalod wrote:JesseDark wrote:My namesake!
can you lend any background as to why you chose "JesseDark" as your UK name?
I chose the name to separate the older basketball heads from the younger. Over the years there have been a few that recognized the name.
ddaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnngg even too old school for Nalod
I had zero clue
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JesseDark wrote:Nalod wrote:JesseDark wrote:My namesake!
can you lend any background as to why you chose "JesseDark" as your UK name?
I chose the name to separate the older basketball heads from the younger. Over the years there have been a few that recognized the name.
Martin, actually I recognized it right away for some but really nothing about him, the year or his tenure with knicks.
My favorites from the era was "Sly Williams" and "Ticky Burden".
With names like that you expect something more than what they delivered.
Was looking over the list of draft picks and Tim Riker Stood out. 8th pick over all in 1972.
He of course played behind willis, Lucas and eventually John Gianelli. Back then rooks really did not play but he was given three seasons and in 1975 did play 51 games off the bench. All American at South Carolina was nothing to sneeze at back then.
Can't say if it was injury, or anything that took him out ofter just three seasons.
There are players from the 1950's taken in first round that did not play. Art Heyman was no. 1 over all from Duke but really never came close to the potential.
Thus Frankie who lasted 4 years is hardly the bust of some others. Not saying it was a good pick.
Back in the day the money was not great and many of these guys did graduate and moved on to other careers. Not like today where rookies make 20mil in three-4 years!!!! in the 50's college was a bigger game than pro leagues. Travel by train or bus, always hurt, shit pay, and few benefits made for a not so glamor profession. If you were a college star many corp opportunities opened up and that was as good as it got for many. Remember, some players worked in the off season to make ends meet!!!
Nalod wrote:JesseDark wrote:Nalod wrote:JesseDark wrote:My namesake!
can you lend any background as to why you chose "JesseDark" as your UK name?
I chose the name to separate the older basketball heads from the younger. Over the years there have been a few that recognized the name.
Martin, actually I recognized it right away for some but really nothing about him, the year or his tenure with knicks.
My favorites from the era was "Sly Williams" and "Ticky Burden".
With names like that you expect something more than what they delivered.
Was looking over the list of draft picks and Tim Riker Stood out. 8th pick over all in 1972.
He of course played behind willis, Lucas and eventually John Gianelli. Back then rooks really did not play but he was given three seasons and in 1975 did play 51 games off the bench. All American at South Carolina was nothing to sneeze at back then.
Can't say if it was injury, or anything that took him out ofter just three seasons.
There are players from the 1950's taken in first round that did not play. Art Heyman was no. 1 over all from Duke but really never came close to the potential.
Thus Frankie who lasted 4 years is hardly the bust of some others. Not saying it was a good pick.
Back in the day the money was not great and many of these guys did graduate and moved on to other careers. Not like today where rookies make 20mil in three-4 years!!!! in the 50's college was a bigger game than pro leagues. Travel by train or bus, always hurt, shit pay, and few benefits made for a not so glamor profession. If you were a college star many corp opportunities opened up and that was as good as it got for many. Remember, some players worked in the off season to make ends meet!!!
I have aged out of this discussion ha
When we read "Mecca", one has to realize (way before my time) the NIT was the shit and the best teams played important games in NYC. We also had some really good teams here!
They'd do double header games in college with big time programs!
Mecca is not about bing bongers and Oak bitch slapping dudes that owed money! Its why Reggie Miller recently pushed back that fans think it begins and ends in NYC.
I think he got the fun part with Josh Hart but to some extent Reggie is correct. Im sure nobody wants to read this but there are some NYC fans that are arrogant as hell and we buy this "Storied franchise" thing like we have a lot of banners hanging. We don't. We have a long ass history and a lot of it is not pretty.
What has indy done? Thats not the point. Im not saying their fans are not assholes. They are. So are Philly's rude tough guy thing, and of course Baaston/LA thing but they kind of earned that arrogance. Not the racist part. THats never forgiven. Celtics as an organization were very progressive. Knicks and Ned Irish were not always so. Red Auebach was Jewish and he made sure that the team culture was progressive. I doubt perfect.
Yawkey and the Redsox were another story.
Being Jewish does not make it always so. Donald Sterling was a piece of shit.
Being a hoop fanatic starting around 1971 I read everything I could on knicks and facinated how Eddie Donovan put that legacy team together that was incredible and still holds in the hearts of those. One has to understand how bad the team was for years and the blunders that took place. Knicks had bad era's way before James Dolan ran the team.
Like not taking DR. J instead of money!!!!!! How Kareem wanted to be in NYC. He almost became a Net!!!!
Read Chris Herrings book.........he blasts Pat Riley but good!
So many to choose from but I would go Knox as the worst due to there being so many safe picks available when we selected.
The worst draft night for me was when we traded Camby and our pick (Nene) for McDyess who lasted about 2 preseason games for us.
jskinny35 wrote:So many to choose from but I would go Knox as the worst due to there being so many safe picks available when we selected. The worst draft night for me was when we traded Camby and our pick (Nene) for McDyess who lasted about 2 preseason games for us.
Man I remember screaming at the t.v., just walk away with NenNe, no need to trade for McDyss.
Sweetney being the worst is crazy. Sweetney was a bit underutilized because of Layden/Chaney's obsession with stacking the team with undersized power forwards. When he got time in the rotation he was a pretty good contributor, especially on the boards. He was a pretty efficient 8 and 5 in less than 20 mpg his 2nd year before being included in the Curry trade. Also it wasn't like there were a bunch of superstars taken after him. Yes he got depression and ate himself out of the league, but I can't see how this ranks as no.1.
Weis was a first rounder who didnt even play. That is catastrophic. Artest was still on the board and was James Posey and a defensive wing with some length would have really helped the team at the time.
Jordan Hill was really bad. He was a nothing player that was traded to dump salary. Everyone knows the Knicks wanted Steph and missed by one pick. DeRozan was taken one pick after Hill and has been a multi time all star/ALL NBA, clutch shotmaker. There were also multiple decent PGs if they could have traded back in the teens (Jrue, Lawson, Collison, Teague).
The catastrophe of taking Ntilikina and Knox back to back in pretty deep drafts really stung (over Mitchell in 2017, and Shai/Bridges in 2018), but we somehow made up for it with some of the best Free agent signings in team history that allowed the team to bounce back.
Holy F this lost could be a top 50.
LivingLegend wrote:Frederick Weis over Ron Artest.I screamed and jumped off the couch on that pick --- was absolutely certain we'd pick Ron.
And Freddy Weis NEVER suits up for Knicks.
That was classic Knick front office move pre Leon.
Weis is #1. I literally couldn’t believe we passed on Artest he was so obviously the pick he was a local star from St John’s. I remember the next day on WFAN some idiot maybe Malusis defending the pick saying we needed a backup Center because Ewing was getting old
KnickDanger wrote:Lots of busts to say the least but I agree with Frederic Weis as the worst - most of the picks you can kind of understand why they were made, but Weis was just clueless. And then he never even suited up. Steve Sommers on WFAN had him do a promo lead in for his show where with his French accent he seems mystified as to why he was asked to do it. We were as well, Frederic.
I didn’t like the Sweetney pick and knew he was at best a poor man’s Clarence Weatherspoon but at least he had some decent attributes as a college prospect
The real issue with the 2003 draft was us not tanking that was the obvious move. That was a an obviously generational draft and we had a bad roster just lose on purpose and we get one of lebron, Melo, Bosh, Wade etc
