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Chandler wrote:i want to keep Deuce. i just don't think of him as a pg as much as just a guard. He can guard 1's but on offense he is so much better off ball than with it.
fun fact: all of our pgs are second rounders and all of our centers are second rounders
I'd also add that none of the other PGs we have rights to offer nearly as much of an defensive impact as Deuce. Finally, Deuce has made steady improvements in his ability to take the paint and finish. Who's to say he doesn't take that next step. I like the idea of Kolek, but he will always be a defensive liability and teams might be able to target him out the game. I have similar concerns with the Rok, be at least has some size. I would be uncomfortable with Kolek as our lone backup PG until I get to see him in real NBA action.
The one absolutely beautiful thing about how the Knicks are built, is that every other position on the court is literally build around having a defensively deficient, lefty PG who also happens to be offensively overloaded himself.
It’s going to be delightful.
There are just about 3 teams in the league the Knicks would need to worry about our backup PG being exploited and we’d see them in ECF or Finals 😳😬😉
It's summer and we need topics to talk about. The reality is that Thibs don't give a phuck about no rookies and Kolek ain't playing unless Deuce pulls a Fournier.
martin@ 6/28/2024 5:07 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Chandler wrote:i want to keep Deuce. i just don't think of him as a pg as much as just a guard. He can guard 1's but on offense he is so much better off ball than with it.
fun fact: all of our pgs are second rounders and all of our centers are second rounders
I'd also add that none of the other PGs we have rights to offer nearly as much of an defensive impact as Deuce. Finally, Deuce has made steady improvements in his ability to take the paint and finish. Who's to say he doesn't take that next step. I like the idea of Kolek, but he will always be a defensive liability and teams might be able to target him out the game. I have similar concerns with the Rok, be at least has some size. I would be uncomfortable with Kolek as our lone backup PG until I get to see him in real NBA action.
The one absolutely beautiful thing about how the Knicks are built, is that every other position on the court is literally build around having a defensively deficient, lefty PG who also happens to be offensively overloaded himself.
It’s going to be delightful.
There are just about 3 teams in the league the Knicks would need to worry about our backup PG being exploited and we’d see them in ECF or Finals 😳😬😉
It's summer and we need topics to talk about. The reality is that Thibs don't give a phuck about no rookies and Kolek ain't playing unless Deuce pulls a Fournier.
Haha yeah. Is Kolec a lesser shooting version of Nash?
CleaverGreene@ 6/28/2024 6:05 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Chandler wrote:i want to keep Deuce. i just don't think of him as a pg as much as just a guard. He can guard 1's but on offense he is so much better off ball than with it.
fun fact: all of our pgs are second rounders and all of our centers are second rounders
I'd also add that none of the other PGs we have rights to offer nearly as much of an defensive impact as Deuce. Finally, Deuce has made steady improvements in his ability to take the paint and finish. Who's to say he doesn't take that next step. I like the idea of Kolek, but he will always be a defensive liability and teams might be able to target him out the game. I have similar concerns with the Rok, be at least has some size. I would be uncomfortable with Kolek as our lone backup PG until I get to see him in real NBA action.
The one absolutely beautiful thing about how the Knicks are built, is that every other position on the court is literally build around having a defensively deficient, lefty PG who also happens to be offensively overloaded himself.
It’s going to be delightful.
There are just about 3 teams in the league the Knicks would need to worry about our backup PG being exploited and we’d see them in ECF or Finals 😳😬😉
It's summer and we need topics to talk about. The reality is that Thibs don't give a phuck about no rookies and Kolek ain't playing unless Deuce pulls a Fournier.
Haha yeah. Is Kolec a lesser shooting version of Nash?
He just turned 23, and is a high BB IQ talent who played PG at a major school where he led the nation in assists.
At his age, I don't think we traded up to take him as a developmental player, like Dadiet.
I see him cracking the rotation at some point during the year.
BigDaddyG@ 6/28/2024 6:38 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Chandler wrote:i want to keep Deuce. i just don't think of him as a pg as much as just a guard. He can guard 1's but on offense he is so much better off ball than with it.
fun fact: all of our pgs are second rounders and all of our centers are second rounders
I'd also add that none of the other PGs we have rights to offer nearly as much of an defensive impact as Deuce. Finally, Deuce has made steady improvements in his ability to take the paint and finish. Who's to say he doesn't take that next step. I like the idea of Kolek, but he will always be a defensive liability and teams might be able to target him out the game. I have similar concerns with the Rok, be at least has some size. I would be uncomfortable with Kolek as our lone backup PG until I get to see him in real NBA action.
The one absolutely beautiful thing about how the Knicks are built, is that every other position on the court is literally build around having a defensively deficient, lefty PG who also happens to be offensively overloaded himself.
It’s going to be delightful.
There are just about 3 teams in the league the Knicks would need to worry about our backup PG being exploited and we’d see them in ECF or Finals 😳😬😉
It's summer and we need topics to talk about. The reality is that Thibs don't give a phuck about no rookies and Kolek ain't playing unless Deuce pulls a Fournier.
Haha yeah. Is Kolec a lesser shooting version of Nash?
He just turned 23, and is a high BB IQ talent who played PG at a major school where he led the nation in assists.
At his age, I don't think we traded up to take him as a developmental player, like Dadiet.
I see him cracking the rotation at some point during the year.
Just saying, Thibs ain't giving him minutes. He's going to have take them, Deuce is going to have implode.
CleaverGreene@ 6/28/2024 6:56 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Chandler wrote:i want to keep Deuce. i just don't think of him as a pg as much as just a guard. He can guard 1's but on offense he is so much better off ball than with it.
fun fact: all of our pgs are second rounders and all of our centers are second rounders
I'd also add that none of the other PGs we have rights to offer nearly as much of an defensive impact as Deuce. Finally, Deuce has made steady improvements in his ability to take the paint and finish. Who's to say he doesn't take that next step. I like the idea of Kolek, but he will always be a defensive liability and teams might be able to target him out the game. I have similar concerns with the Rok, be at least has some size. I would be uncomfortable with Kolek as our lone backup PG until I get to see him in real NBA action.
The one absolutely beautiful thing about how the Knicks are built, is that every other position on the court is literally build around having a defensively deficient, lefty PG who also happens to be offensively overloaded himself.
It’s going to be delightful.
There are just about 3 teams in the league the Knicks would need to worry about our backup PG being exploited and we’d see them in ECF or Finals 😳😬😉
It's summer and we need topics to talk about. The reality is that Thibs don't give a phuck about no rookies and Kolek ain't playing unless Deuce pulls a Fournier.
Haha yeah. Is Kolec a lesser shooting version of Nash?
He just turned 23, and is a high BB IQ talent who played PG at a major school where he led the nation in assists.
At his age, I don't think we traded up to take him as a developmental player, like Dadiet.
I see him cracking the rotation at some point during the year.
Just saying, Thibs ain't giving him minutes. He's going to have take them, Deuce is going to have implode.
Fair enough...but I think he was drafted because the Knicks don't see Deuce, who I love, as a classic PG who can run the offense when Brunson is on the bench. Both are 23, and though Kolec will never be the defender Miles is, McBride may not have the ability to run an offense like I think Kolec can, & is best utilized as an off-guard.
Just my take and, of course, Kolek will have to earn time in the rotation.
martin@ 6/29/2024 9:49 AM
Not sure if this is a repeat but this kid is going to be a delight. Lots of nerd basketball stuff. You can tell Thibs gonna love this kid.
If Tyler can get any semblance of Nash-Amare PnR rhythm going with Mitch or Randle, it’s over for other teams.
martin@ 6/29/2024 10:11 AM
martin wrote:Not sure if this is a repeat but this kid is going to be a delight. Lots of nerd basketball stuff. You can tell Thibs gonna love this kid.
If Tyler can get any semblance of Nash-Amare PnR rhythm going with Mitch or Randle, it’s over for other teams.
Around the 33min mark “So you were the best passer in the country for the last couple years”, “oh I lead the nation in assists for the last 3 straight years.”
I did not know this.
martin@ 6/29/2024 10:52 AM
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Michael Kay and his bobos repeating on air the false “story” that Kolek scored a 7 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test and is illiterate and that it was a bad pick. NBA doesn’t use the Wonderlic test and the whole thing is patently false but what can you expect from schnooks who ripped the Knicks in their “fail” to sign Durant/Kyrie and beat the fire Thibs drum among other Knonsense until the bandwagon pulled up.
martin@ 6/29/2024 4:53 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Michael Kay and his bobos repeating on air the false “story” that Kolek scored a 7 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test and is illiterate and that it was a bad pick. NBA doesn’t use the Wonderlic test and the whole thing is patently false but what can you expect from schnooks who ripped the Knicks in their “fail” to sign Durant/Kyrie and beat the fire Thibs drum among other Knonsense until the bandwagon pulled up.
I had heard about that test and then didn't hear about it again and wondered why
KnickDanger@ 6/29/2024 4:57 PM
martin wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Michael Kay and his bobos repeating on air the false “story” that Kolek scored a 7 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test and is illiterate and that it was a bad pick. NBA doesn’t use the Wonderlic test and the whole thing is patently false but what can you expect from schnooks who ripped the Knicks in their “fail” to sign Durant/Kyrie and beat the fire Thibs drum among other Knonsense until the bandwagon pulled up.
I had heard about that test and then didn't hear about it again and wondered why
Started as a prank or a joke and apparently Kolek thought it was funny. But some media was still passing it off as true. You’d think ESPN has fact checkers.
newyorknewyork@ 6/29/2024 5:38 PM
KnickDanger wrote:Michael Kay and his bobos repeating on air the false “story” that Kolek scored a 7 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test and is illiterate and that it was a bad pick. NBA doesn’t use the Wonderlic test and the whole thing is patently false but what can you expect from schnooks who ripped the Knicks in their “fail” to sign Durant/Kyrie and beat the fire Thibs drum among other Knonsense until the bandwagon pulled up.
NBA isn't their most informed topic. Peter Rosenberg or one of the bobos is a Celtics fan for what that's worth.
But it's bad take to claim that it's a bad pick based off that.
Clean@ 6/30/2024 5:28 AM
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KnickDanger wrote:Michael Kay and his bobos repeating on air the false “story” that Kolek scored a 7 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test and is illiterate and that it was a bad pick. NBA doesn’t use the Wonderlic test and the whole thing is patently false but what can you expect from schnooks who ripped the Knicks in their “fail” to sign Durant/Kyrie and beat the fire Thibs drum among other Knonsense until the bandwagon pulled up.
NBA isn't their most informed topic. Peter Rosenberg or one of the bobos is a Celtics fan for what that's worth.
But it's bad take to claim that it's a bad pick based off that.
That's putting it mildly. Kay is basically ignorant about the sport...something I realized many years ago.
KnickDanger@ 6/30/2024 1:57 PM
CleaverGreene wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:Michael Kay and his bobos repeating on air the false “story” that Kolek scored a 7 out of 50 on the Wonderlic test and is illiterate and that it was a bad pick. NBA doesn’t use the Wonderlic test and the whole thing is patently false but what can you expect from schnooks who ripped the Knicks in their “fail” to sign Durant/Kyrie and beat the fire Thibs drum among other Knonsense until the bandwagon pulled up.
NBA isn't their most informed topic. Peter Rosenberg or one of the bobos is a Celtics fan for what that's worth.
But it's bad take to claim that it's a bad pick based off that.
That's putting it mildly. Kay is basically ignorant about the sport...something I realized many years ago.
Ignorance is one thing - Kay and his sidekicks spent the past several years lazily passing on whatever Knicks clowning was in the air (while simultaneously praising how the Nets "do it right"). There was no notice of the clever and effective path to where they are now, only stale dismissal. Of course now they and all the gasbags want to talk Knicks. Anyway, this Kolek thing just showed their stripes.
Clean@ 7/4/2024 2:47 PM
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Oh, they really like this guy. I see the vision so I understand why they do.
I have no idea how to interpret moves like this, or the true intent, motives, or flexibility they provide.
Soon AI will be able to explain it all like we are 5 year olds. And also make NBA executives obsolete.
Like, is this to lock him in cheap… or will he be part of a trade in 3 days?
They used the second year exception which was included in the newest iteration of the CBA The same thing the Lakers used for Bronny. The team locked him up without using a piece of the mid-level exception.
DLeethal@ 7/4/2024 4:10 PM
Knicks do that when they feel like they have a steal. Mitch, Deuce, even Jericho they did something like this.
martin@ 7/4/2024 5:28 PM
DLeethal wrote:Knicks do that when they feel like they have a steal. Mitch, Deuce, even Jericho they did something like this.
