Knicks · Brunson's ability to reconize and pass is the Knicks biggest hurdle? (page 1)

Brunson's growth as a playmaker, passer, and organizer will lead to the biggest benefits for the team IMHO

This type of thing happens way too often and is just inexcusable.

Brunson is a great individual scorer, he kinda sucks as a passer.

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4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

franco12 wrote:Trade Brunson!

lol

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

The thing is, there's no one in the league I'd trust more to adjust/learn/put in the work. So it might look ugly early here, but I have faith he will figure it out.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

What does having Sims in the lineup solve and what is Sims giving up in terms of team play in that situation? You aren't really upgrading anything by swapping Mikal/Josh out for McBride and a bench guy?

VDesai wrote:He isn't make the right reads. He played about 40-50 games last year where he was option 1,2,3,4 and Donte was option 5. I think he's missing big/small switches and driving into traps/traffic.

The thing is, there's no one in the league I'd trust more to adjust/learn/put in the work. So it might look ugly early here, but I have faith he will figure it out.

Ha good way to put it

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martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

What does having Sims in the lineup solve and what is Sims giving up in terms of team play in that situation? You aren't really upgrading anything by swapping Mikal/Josh out for McBride and a bench guy?

Trick question?

Simms is giving me a bigger body, occupying more space, screen and pick setter- and hopefully someone who makes up for the rebounding that Josh gives.

I am moving two good offensive players to the bench, and replacing them with one good one in McBride, better PG play in McBride and hopefully someone who can help with the boards and opposing size.

Replace Simms with Prescious when he returns.

This is not so much an upgrade, as it is balancing out talents.

We are 3-4 because we are at the bottom of the league in rebounding, opponent FG% and points in the paint allowed. This is not on Brunson.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

What does having Sims in the lineup solve and what is Sims giving up in terms of team play in that situation? You aren't really upgrading anything by swapping Mikal/Josh out for McBride and a bench guy?

Trick question?

Simms is giving me a bigger body, occupying more space, screen and pick setter- and hopefully someone who makes up for the rebounding that Josh gives.

I am moving two good offensive players to the bench, and replacing them with one good one in McBride, better PG play in McBride and hopefully someone who can help with the boards and opposing size.

Replace Simms with Prescious when he returns.

This is not so much an upgrade, as it is balancing out talents.

OK, shuffle the deck. And then what? It has to be purposeful and help solve problems.

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

What does having Sims in the lineup solve and what is Sims giving up in terms of team play in that situation? You aren't really upgrading anything by swapping Mikal/Josh out for McBride and a bench guy?

Trick question?

Simms is giving me a bigger body, occupying more space, screen and pick setter- and hopefully someone who makes up for the rebounding that Josh gives.

I am moving two good offensive players to the bench, and replacing them with one good one in McBride, better PG play in McBride and hopefully someone who can help with the boards and opposing size.

Replace Simms with Prescious when he returns.

This is not so much an upgrade, as it is balancing out talents.

OK, shuffle the deck. And then what? It has to be purposeful and help solve problems.

This is solving problems! And it has purpose (prevent Thibs from getting fired!)

Problem- Brunson isn't a good PG. McBride is a better PG. Isn't that what you partially laid out as the problem (former, not the latter which is my premise).

Also, we need more scoring in the 2nd unit and I also think we're getting hurt on boards- or at least last year that was a strength- 5 extra boards per game last year to break even this.

I know Simms isn't a fantastic rebounder, but he is stronger than OG & Josh.

It's about creating better balance on the floor.

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

What does having Sims in the lineup solve and what is Sims giving up in terms of team play in that situation? You aren't really upgrading anything by swapping Mikal/Josh out for McBride and a bench guy?

Trick question?

Simms is giving me a bigger body, occupying more space, screen and pick setter- and hopefully someone who makes up for the rebounding that Josh gives.

I am moving two good offensive players to the bench, and replacing them with one good one in McBride, better PG play in McBride and hopefully someone who can help with the boards and opposing size.

Replace Simms with Prescious when he returns.

This is not so much an upgrade, as it is balancing out talents.

OK, shuffle the deck. And then what? It has to be purposeful and help solve problems.

This is solving problems! And it has purpose (prevent Thibs from getting fired!)

Problem- Brunson isn't a good PG. McBride is a better PG. Isn't that what you partially laid out as the problem (former, not the latter which is my premise).

Also, we need more scoring in the 2nd unit and I also think we're getting hurt on boards- or at least last year that was a strength- 5 extra boards per game last year to break even this.

I know Simms isn't a fantastic rebounder, but he is stronger than OG & Josh.

It's about creating better balance on the floor.

You and I do no have the same assumptions. Deuce is a SG.

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

What does having Sims in the lineup solve and what is Sims giving up in terms of team play in that situation? You aren't really upgrading anything by swapping Mikal/Josh out for McBride and a bench guy?

Trick question?

Simms is giving me a bigger body, occupying more space, screen and pick setter- and hopefully someone who makes up for the rebounding that Josh gives.

I am moving two good offensive players to the bench, and replacing them with one good one in McBride, better PG play in McBride and hopefully someone who can help with the boards and opposing size.

Replace Simms with Prescious when he returns.

This is not so much an upgrade, as it is balancing out talents.

OK, shuffle the deck. And then what? It has to be purposeful and help solve problems.

This is solving problems! And it has purpose (prevent Thibs from getting fired!)

Problem- Brunson isn't a good PG. McBride is a better PG. Isn't that what you partially laid out as the problem (former, not the latter which is my premise).

Also, we need more scoring in the 2nd unit and I also think we're getting hurt on boards- or at least last year that was a strength- 5 extra boards per game last year to break even this.

I know Simms isn't a fantastic rebounder, but he is stronger than OG & Josh.

It's about creating better balance on the floor.

You and I do no have the same assumptions. Deuce is a SG.

Is Brunson an SG too? I mean, I get that McBride isn’t the prototypical PG. I do like his shot and has been a pleasant scoring surprise.

He helps move the ball and I think would help. It’s not like they’re not getting time together right now. It’s just a question of putting him in the starting line up and try to get off to better starts.

And the rebounding is an area we overachieved last year- we were about +5 over opponents. This year we are essentially flat.

I want to put Sims in the starting line- just ask him for 8 boards in 24 minutes and to set some nice picks and screens to open things up for the other players.

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franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

franco12 wrote:and on a serious note - get McBride out into the starting line up. He would help a lot, both with his shooting, but passing as well.

4 assists in almost 40 minutes- McBride 7 in 28. Do the quick math and that is 1 in 10 vs. 1 in 4.

I have to tell you, one of the reasons I think Josh instead of McBride is in starting lineup, cause Josh rebounds and passes. And although Knicks KNOW they need rebounding, it's the Josh passing that is really key, cause Brunson may be a slow learner there.

iHart was solving that problem. He was the passing hub and now Brunson is figuring that out for himself.

And in the game thread- I suggested moving Simms into the line up.

Maybe it's two moves

McBride and Simms in, and Josh & Bridges out.

I know Thibs would never do this - in hockey, they do this kind of thing all the time. Maybe we need to get Larry Brown for a bit of fun!

Brunson
McBride
OG
Simms
Towns

Bench is Josh, Bridges & Kolek.

I actually like that starting 5 much better and I think I will die on this hill!

Fire Thibs until he tries this!

What does having Sims in the lineup solve and what is Sims giving up in terms of team play in that situation? You aren't really upgrading anything by swapping Mikal/Josh out for McBride and a bench guy?

Trick question?

Simms is giving me a bigger body, occupying more space, screen and pick setter- and hopefully someone who makes up for the rebounding that Josh gives.

I am moving two good offensive players to the bench, and replacing them with one good one in McBride, better PG play in McBride and hopefully someone who can help with the boards and opposing size.

Replace Simms with Prescious when he returns.

This is not so much an upgrade, as it is balancing out talents.

OK, shuffle the deck. And then what? It has to be purposeful and help solve problems.

This is solving problems! And it has purpose (prevent Thibs from getting fired!)

Problem- Brunson isn't a good PG. McBride is a better PG. Isn't that what you partially laid out as the problem (former, not the latter which is my premise).

Also, we need more scoring in the 2nd unit and I also think we're getting hurt on boards- or at least last year that was a strength- 5 extra boards per game last year to break even this.

I know Simms isn't a fantastic rebounder, but he is stronger than OG & Josh.

It's about creating better balance on the floor.

You and I do no have the same assumptions. Deuce is a SG.

Is Brunson an SG too? I mean, I get that McBride isn’t the prototypical PG. I do like his shot and has been a pleasant scoring surprise.

He helps move the ball and I think would help. It’s not like they’re not getting time together right now. It’s just a question of putting him in the starting line up and try to get off to better starts.

And the rebounding is an area we overachieved last year- we were about +5 over opponents. This year we are essentially flat.

I want to put Sims in the starting line- just ask him for 8 boards in 24 minutes and to set some nice picks and screens to open things up for the other players.

The ball in in Brunson's hands. Putting Deuce in the starting lineup does not change that dynamic. Deuce is nowhere near a PG, that's not his role. The coaching staff has all but told us that.

Why we're going through this again IDK. I do know that the coaching staff needs to take him aside (in private) and show him film of all the ways his ballstopping is hurting the team. Maybe his Dad.Maybe they did it already.

GustavBahler wrote:Brunson wouldnt have been in the MVP conversation last season, if he spent all of it ballstopping. He started like this last season, then a switch went off and JB started getting his teammates more involved.

Why we're going through this again IDK. I do know that the coaching staff needs to take him aside (in private) and show him film of all the ways his ballstopping is hurting the team. Maybe his Dad.Maybe they did it already.

Part might be him trying to do too much. And I agree - coaches need to work on these problems because we have seen better play.

Also part of this might be the league has a book on him now - and that is go hard and go physical at him with length.

franco12 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Brunson wouldnt have been in the MVP conversation last season, if he spent all of it ballstopping. He started like this last season, then a switch went off and JB started getting his teammates more involved.

Why we're going through this again IDK. I do know that the coaching staff needs to take him aside (in private) and show him film of all the ways his ballstopping is hurting the team. Maybe his Dad.Maybe they did it already.

Part might be him trying to do too much. And I agree - coaches need to work on these problems because we have seen better play.

Also part of this might be the league has a book on him now - and that is go hard and go physical at him with length.

They're seeing that JB isnt giving up the ball as much as he did/should, and they're pressuring him into taking bad shots.

If they knew that he was more willing to share the rock, it might not happen as much. When you know a player is often going to shoot no matter what, its easier to devise a game plan to stop them