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martin @ 11/23/2024 3:54 PM
I don’t even know what to make of this

Sources: How Zion Williamson’s Knicks connection impacted agency split
Zion Williamson's decision to part ways with his agency, CAA, is connected to the New York Knicks in an intriguing way.

Kris Pursiainen


Zion Williamson's decision to part ways with his agency, CAA, is connected to the New York Knicks in an intriguing way.

New Orleans Pelicans star Zion Williamson and his agency, Creative Artists Agency (CAA), have split up, as first reported by Sam Amick and Joe Vardon of The Athletic. This agency represents a variety of NBA stars like New York Knicks' Jalen Brunson and Karl-Anthony Towns, as well as other All-Stars like Donovan Mitchell and Devin Booker. The interesting thing about Williamson's decision to change agencies is that the Knicks themselves indirectly played a role in the split between the Pelicans forward and CAA, sources told ClutchPoints.

Even before the 2019 NBA Draft Lottery sealed Williamson's fate as the Pelicans' No. 1 overall pick, he had long made it clear to the agency that he wanted to play in New York. After beginning his career in New Orleans, Williamson expected more from his representation in regards to pursuing a trade to New York. This was one of the two driving factors that resulted in the split, source said.

Aside from his connection to the Knicks, Williamson's contract was another element in the deterioration of the relationship between the two sides. Zion extended his time with New Orleans in January 2022 by agreeing to a five-year, $197 million contract. Initially, this deal was unusual due to the extent of injury and weight-related benchmarks that made certain aspects of the deal non-guaranteed.

Right now, Williamson's contract will become fully guaranteed for the 2024-25 season as long as the Pelicans don’t waive him on or before Jan. 7, according to Mike Vorkunov of The Athletic. His contract for the 2025-26 season is 100 percent protected should Williamson be on the team's roster after July 15. There is also a handful of weight checkpoints that will result in Zion earning 20 percent of his salary should he pass all six throughout the 2024-25 season.

Essentially, this deal was signed with the intent of protecting the Pelicans from Williamson's health and conditioning impacting their future.

Since the deal was initially signed, Williamson has gained a greater understanding of how his contract was structured and the various clauses involving his weight that make said deal not fully guaranteed moving forward. Both the agency's perceived inability to land the forward in New York City, as well as Williamson's understanding of his contract situation, pushed the relationship to the point where the parties felt a divorce was the best resolution.

The exact timeline of how specifically the split happened is not clear at this immediate moment. Williamson won't be able to dispel any talk about this decision for a while. Currently one month through the 2024-25 season, the Pelicans forward is not close to making a return to the court due to yet another hamstring injury.

Zion Williamson's season off to a rough start in New Orleans

After seeing about 31 minutes per game in six of the team's first nine games of the new season, Williamson hasn't played since Nov. 6 due to a hamstring injury. When he has played, it's been a tale of two different players. Over his first, third, and fourth games of the season, he made 12 of his 47 shot attempts, roughly 26 percent. In the other three games, the Pelicans star dominated the paint, making 35 of his 57 attempts, which equates to about 61 percent.

Six games is a small sample size to fully dissect. But Williamson was on pace for a career-high in turnovers per game and his lowest scoring average since his rookie season. To make matters worse, New Orleans has also been without Dejounte Murray, CJ McCollum, Herb Jones, Jose Alvarado, and a few other key talents. Fellow star forward Brandon Ingram has missed time too as a result of lower leg issues. The Pelicans have struggled at 4-13 to begin the season.

Like every season, injuries are impacting the league at large. However, the Pelicans have been hit harder than most teams. But the Pelicans cannot say that they did not at least prepare to be without Williamson for extended periods of time over the course of his contract.

Williamson is in the second year of his aforementioned extension. The games he missed in 2022 and 2023 triggered a clause in his contract that rendered the remainder of his deal non-guaranteed.

As a result, the Pelicans could opt to waive Williamson after the conclusion of the 2024-25 season without facing any financial ramifications. Close to 80 percent of Williamson's salary for the 2025-26 season is directly tied to how many games he plays during the 2024-25 campaign, according to Vorkunov. He is scheduled to make $39.5 million next season. This means close to $31.5 million is at stake if Williamson is unable to reach the 41-game plateau this year.

If Williamson does eclipse 41 games played, he's eligible for 40 percent of his salary — or $15.8 million. He unlocks another 20 percent of his salary at 51 games played, and another at 61 games played. The final 20 percent can only become guaranteed if Williamson's weight is up to the standards outlined in the contract.

At this time, Williamson's future with any agency is uncertain. For the time being, he holds no business relationship with new representation in what has become a pivotal time of his career. Zion did not play in Friday night's 112-108 loss to the Golden State Warriors in the NBA Cup.

martin @ 11/23/2024 3:55 PM
martin @ 11/23/2024 3:58 PM
Bro about to get cut cause of his weight issues and CAA divesting cause they did their jobs and BINGO 6th man scorer walks into the yard next year on a “non CAA” contract, cause they needed to keep their distance LOL

I kid. Maybe

GustavBahler @ 11/23/2024 4:17 PM
Wow, he really does want to play in NY. Maybe less bully ball to the rim would make him more durable, more shooting Off the dribble, 3pt shooting.
MaTT4281 @ 11/23/2024 5:11 PM
Did not understand the numerous layers of protection NO put into that contract. Good on them!
Knixkik @ 11/23/2024 8:41 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Wow, he really does want to play in NY. Maybe less bully ball to the rim would make him more durable, more shooting Off the dribble, 3pt shooting.

He just can’t do those other things u mentioned.

Knixkik @ 11/23/2024 8:58 PM
Zion wanted NY but never got himself to the status of a player worthy of dictating where he ended up. He needed an AD start to his career.
GustavBahler @ 11/23/2024 9:30 PM
Knixkik wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Wow, he really does want to play in NY. Maybe less bully ball to the rim would make him more durable, more shooting Off the dribble, 3pt shooting.

He just can’t do those other things u mentioned.

His first game as a rookie, Zion set an NBA record for the most 3s made by a rook (4). For some reason he hasnt focused enough on that part of his game.

When he was at Duke, Zion showed a more well rounded attack. Now he uses that quick first step of his, which can propel him into the paint, in a heartbeat. Lots of trips in the paint Zion is jumping multiple times (with his size) to get a bucket. Shooting over much taller players. Thats the bulk of his game now as opposed to his Duke days.

I have a hard time believing that Zion cant get by these availability issues. I'm guessing the solution will be part science/conditioning and part in game strategy. How Zion gets buckets. How much he has to work overall to get them.

Zion showed at Duke he has a high bball IQ. I hope the Pelicans release him, and the Knicks sign him with the understanding that they will use Zion in the offense differently, than he was used in New Orleans.

If Zion really wants to prove how much he wants to be a Knick. Zion taking the 6th man spot, with a smaller workload (and a new strategy) would be a great way to prove it.

Then gradually increase his worload, and see if he can physically handle starting next season. A path maybe to a different outcome in NY. We'd have the best 6th man in the league. If OG gets hurt again, misses a bunch of games(hope not) we would have Zion waiting in the wings.

Im guessing that Leon/Thibs could sell Zion on something like this, but I have no idea if he wants to.

Someone that good is so hell bent on being a Knick, I'd like to see the Knicks try and find a way, that doesnt put contending mainly on Zion' availability. It would likely mean a big paycut, maybe a short term, "prove it" deal. But it still would be fun to watch and see what happens, if something could be worked out.

BigDaddyG @ 11/23/2024 9:37 PM
After today's game, I don't have the will to focus on any team's or player's problems but the Knicks. That said I hope he eventually gets it together. The need for him to get into better shape definitely wouldn't change under Thibs.
GustavBahler @ 11/23/2024 9:47 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
After today's game, I don't have the will to focus on any team's or player's problems but the Knicks. That said I hope he eventually gets it together.

The need for him to get into better shape definitely wouldn't change under Thibs.

Thibs is in the mold of coach K when it comes to expectations.

Maybe Zion will pull it together with an old school coach that he respects.

GustavBahler @ 11/23/2024 10:22 PM
If there was anyone's game I'd like to see Zion lean on, it would be post-dunking GOAT Vince Carter's.

It wasnt about relying on athleticism to a fault. Amazes me that Carter could still sky for a dunk when he retired. Chose to be a more cerebral player, a lot less skying, really extended his career,

Nalod @ 11/23/2024 10:39 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Wow, he really does want to play in NY. Maybe less bully ball to the rim would make him more durable, more shooting Off the dribble, 3pt shooting.

He just can’t do those other things u mentioned.

His first game as a rookie, Zion set an NBA record for the most 3s made by a rook (4). For some reason he hasnt focused enough on that part of his game.

When he was at Duke, Zion showed a more well rounded attack. Now he uses that quick first step of his, which can propel him into the paint, in a heartbeat. Lots of trips in the paint Zion is jumping multiple times (with his size) to get a bucket. Shooting over much taller players. Thats the bulk of his game now as opposed to his Duke days.

I have a hard time believing that Zion cant get by these availability issues. I'm guessing the solution will be part science/conditioning and part in game strategy. How Zion gets buckets. How much he has to work overall to get them.

Zion showed at Duke he has a high bball IQ. I hope the Pelicans release him, and the Knicks sign him with the understanding that they will use Zion in the offense differently, than he was used in New Orleans.

If Zion really wants to prove how much he wants to be a Knick. Zion taking the 6th man spot, with a smaller workload (and a new strategy) would be a great way to prove it.

Then gradually increase his worload, and see if he can physically handle starting next season. A path maybe to a different outcome in NY. We'd have the best 6th man in the league. If OG gets hurt again, misses a bunch of games(hope not) we would have Zion waiting in the wings.

Im guessing that Leon/Thibs could sell Zion on something like this, but I have no idea if he wants to.

Someone that good is so hell bent on being a Knick, I'd like to see the Knicks try and find a way, that doesnt put contending mainly on Zion' availability. It would likely mean a big paycut, maybe a short term, "prove it" deal. But it still would be fun to watch and see what happens, if something could be worked out.

Look at his stats dude.
Your also not getting that he physically peaked at age 18.
He has super talent, but long range 3 is not it.
When he plays, he is very very good.
But his body type is not conducive to being a pro basketball player.
He did not read his contract did he? Really? He really thinks CAA was to blame for his contract?
Maybe he does try, maybe he does put in the work. Those massive limbs just can't keep up with his gift to fly?
Genetics play a big part in who gets where in pro sports.
He wanted NY. maybe the price was too high? Maybe NY did not want him?
Im sure many coaches would love to get a change to work with a guy like Zion but not if they are always hurt.

There is another team in NYC? Right??

Funny, in the end, RJ Barrett did prove to be the better player 5 years later!

JesseDark @ 11/24/2024 7:00 AM
Listening to NBA radio they were saying the reason he fired his agent is due to onerus conditions regarding his weight and games played starting next year. The conditions will make it easy for Pelicans to waive him.
Nalod @ 11/24/2024 9:45 AM
JesseDark wrote:Listening to NBA radio they were saying the reason he fired his agent is due to onerus conditions regarding his weight and games played starting next year. The conditions will make it easy for Pelicans to waive him.


It was. great contract. Play like a star you paid like one. Play like a dude always injured you are free to seek your fortunes elsewhere. Wish more teams would do it.


Nobody put a gun to Zion to sign that contract. If you don't understand the contract thats on the player. At least have your attorney read it and translate the ramifications.
Curious how many Agents might not rush to represent him. Obviously he had a "come to Jesus" moment were he understands his contracting the reality before him.

Gustav, just because he had a good game or was a type of player at Duke as an 18 year old does not mean he can sustain. He had an injury in College where he hurt his knee. We all discussed his body type and was worried as he matured if it could hold up. Saying he should follow Vince Carter is not a good comp. He was a slim prototypical incredible athlete who no doubt put the work in to evolve his fundamentals over time, like Jordan did, but he was blessed with a genetic composition.

We never saw anyone like Zion before and thus the comparisons for fans were not easy. Many of us discussed this on the UK. Not "predictive" but the quandary of drafting him, paying him, and what if he cannot stay not the court.

Having a hissy fit on his contract is a bad look for him. So is his stupidity regarding his love life. This is not a bad dude, just an immature man child.

LivingLegend @ 11/25/2024 9:58 AM
Didn't even read the article but I view Zion as maybe the most disgusting player in the league (on par with Simmons).

Wouldn't touch this cat with a 1,000 foot pole.

LivingLegend @ 11/25/2024 10:02 AM
OK - went back and looked at article Martin posted.

Dating back to the RJ relationship I really did believe that Zion wanted NY heavily and in his early days I often felt he was trying to tank his way out of N.O. - either with lethargic play, lack of leadership, coming in heavy/huge - using any way to force N.O. to trade him.

I was intrigued by Knicks leveraging a bad situation in N.O. to steal Zion but I hate David Griffin and that mofo would have raped Knicks at any opportunity and NOW Zion is just another fatso who may have blown a chance at greatness.

LivingLegend @ 11/25/2024 10:04 AM
Knixkik wrote:Zion wanted NY but never got himself to the status of a player worthy of dictating where he ended up. He needed an AD start to his career.

He tried to tank his way out with poor attitude, conditioning, you name it but stubborn ass David Griffin probably isn't going to give in to his methods and now rest of league views Zion as a scary gamble.

LivingLegend @ 11/25/2024 10:07 AM
His only way to a comeback and any longer term career is dramatic weight loss --- he's electric when in great condition but that's only been 5% of time in the league.
Nalod @ 11/25/2024 11:30 AM

He wants to Play in NY? He should play for the Giants.
Philc1 @ 11/25/2024 12:04 PM
If Zion wants to play in NY the Jets need offensive line
franco12 @ 11/25/2024 8:14 PM
They’re saying he was in his best shape this season (I know, round is a shape!)

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/4254...

Hamstring is not a fat injury, it’s probably more a question of flexibility and stretching and hydration.

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