Knicks · Doncic and Anthony Davis just got traded for each other wtf (page 6)
HofstraBBall wrote:franco12 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Dallas saw Luka as a risk.
If they win a chip with AD, then it makes sense.
this trade is not as lopsided as thought. Dallas devalued Luka for a reason. Anyone think Zion and Pels love happily ever after?
They too will get cents on the dollar. If Zion, or Luka were seen as an albatross potential then you move on.
Luka next 5 years might not be so kind to him.Luka is 6’6 230 Zion is 6’6 290. Luka went to a NBA Finaks last season. Zion has never sniffed a NBA Finals. Zion has played 65 or more games one season his entire career. Luka has done it 5 out of the first 6 seasons of his career.
Yeah totally the same guy.
Reports that Luka has gotten up to 270, don't know how reliable those are though
$345m/$70m per year for a 6’6” white dude carrying an extra 50 pounds of Slovenian baby fat?
I believe he is 270. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he were 280.
Saw him
Landing in LA. He ain’t no 270. Besides, he will definitely have some motivation to get in shape now.For those saying a team would not be able to build around a guy making $70M , what about KAT contract? And he is nowhere near being top 4 in NBA.
Also, this goes on premise that Luka would not have taken less for the sake of building a better chance to win.FYI, he just closed on a $15m house in Dallas.
None of the Mav's BS narratives make sense. I'm guessing this has more to do with ownership side wanting to keep their cash flowing for other business ventures. If that's the case, then Luka was probably better off getting off that train now.
Dwyane Wade believes the league wanted Luka Dončić on the Lakers“This is amazing from the standpoint of the business of the game. Luka was number six in jersey sales in Dallas, Luka now shoots to number 1 in jersey sales with the Lakers. Now the international market, think about it; we just signed a new TV deal, what $25 billion, let’s just throw it out there, $25 billion TV deal. You got the top international player in LA, so the viewership, the ticket sales. Everybody, Europe, Spain, they’re all coming into LA, so I’m looking at the business. I’m like, this was an amazing business decision by billionaires to say this is what I want for now, and this is what we need as a league.”
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Nalod wrote:Stern vetoed one deal because the league owned the NOLA team and selling it star before a new owner took over was was seen as not a good idea.
If LA is so good for the league, the nations second largest city, why would NBA not want knicks to succeed as many fans said over the years? Grudge? Thats what fans might think but league is profit driven. Knicks were badly managed for decades. Lakers did have a bad spell when Jimmy Buss was in charge. really bad.
Old story. Dallas has two centers to put out with Davis. If healthy Davis is a great player. Same for Luka!
Maybe Mavs could have done better via trade? But whom? I mean we can all sit here and second guess it but Giannis? And......Then bucks have to consider paying him or losing Luka? Nets? Lots of picks, but cam Johnson not going to get to the finals.
We'll know in the next three years based on results.
Dallas moved on because they are stupid? or had concern enough to move on.
knicks succeed by being a blue collar tough team. LA succeeds by winning rings. NBA is declining, LA Lakers were close to building around AD and being irrelevant. NBA needed this trade
martin wrote:Dwyane Wade believes the league wanted Luka Dončić on the Lakers“This is amazing from the standpoint of the business of the game. Luka was number six in jersey sales in Dallas, Luka now shoots to number 1 in jersey sales with the Lakers. Now the international market, think about it; we just signed a new TV deal, what $25 billion, let’s just throw it out there, $25 billion TV deal. You got the top international player in LA, so the viewership, the ticket sales. Everybody, Europe, Spain, they’re all coming into LA, so I’m looking at the business. I’m like, this was an amazing business decision by billionaires to say this is what I want for now, and this is what we need as a league.”
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agree 100%.. ratings are bad, if the LA market goes, watch out
As for decline of the NBA, why are they expanding and franchise values continue to rise?
If ratings are so bad, why did collective of networks pay record Amounts?
They still draw. Perhaps the league has peaked. that I might agree, but the fact is most pro sports viewership is down. Yet they provide content for TV that is valuable.
League intervention? Its a nice thing to think about when ones logic dies not add up. Why would Dallas do this? Were they promised a top picks at some point? If so, we'll never know. We read that Dallas was not happy with Luka. Fans extrapolate the past to the future. They see a bloated star who has yet to have the fire in his belly to work on his body year round. How is that different than Nokola Jokic? Im not sure. Joker had potential but he worked on his conditioning and drills and he evolved to be the MVP. Luka basically came into the league at 19 and killed it right away. A rare talent indeed! As a fan its easy for me or any non pro athlete to slam these guys and demonize them for being "lazy". Hardly. Luka no doubt works his ass off to be at this level but as his body matures it gets harder. there are stories that Dallas burned thru trainers that could not get him to do the work. Brunson has hired one of them. He knows the real story. Being a gentleman he won't burn Luka if there is a truth there. Luka and Jalen are similar in they have mastered the limits of what there body types can do. Jalen deficits are he is 6-7 inches shorter than doncic. But Jalen has avoided injury for the most part. Luka is a big boy with a penchant to not have a lean muscle mass.
The Great ones adapt and evolve. Jury is out on Luka.
He wears baggy clothes so its hard to judge his condition.
I believe many fans are discounting AD abilities and what he can bring to Mats the next three years. Might be injury misery. Might be another finals run. It was a crazy trade. I think Dallas was focused on who they can bring in for this window rather than open it up to a bidding war.
The open concept of "they could have done better" is valid but not if they had a specific objective. What player could then bring in that has true two way play at PF? Davis plays elite defense. His injuries are an issue and he will miss games. So does any above 30 top player.
If healthy they can win.
One thing y'all have to admit, that trade took balls to exact. Dallas for moving a beloved superstar and Lakers for the starphuch. In my mind its low risk because they did not leverage the future for Luka. Why? They don't have one. They operate on keeping an attractive gate getter and they are protecting themselves if Leborn tears an achilles and is done. remember what happend with Kobe? He ate a huge amount of salery and the team faultered. With Balmer in town and now has his own arena nicer than Staples they are competing a bit. If Luka can find another level of physicality and stay healthy he'll do great. He can draw fans while they tread water and retool. If not can Lakers protect themselves of a max player being unproductive? Depends. Thing is they can clear cap space but they have little trade fodder unless a player walks unrestricted. Lakers are attractive but thats a big gamble.
If Lebron retired and teams not competitive they likely were going to move Davis anyway.
Lakers want our Mitch? They will have to pay. Knicks are not going to give him away nor do they have to.
As a fan, this trading deadline has been cool as any I can recall!
That is still wild to me.
martin wrote:Dwyane Wade believes the league wanted Luka Dončić on the Lakers“This is amazing from the standpoint of the business of the game. Luka was number six in jersey sales in Dallas, Luka now shoots to number 1 in jersey sales with the Lakers. Now the international market, think about it; we just signed a new TV deal, what $25 billion, let’s just throw it out there, $25 billion TV deal. You got the top international player in LA, so the viewership, the ticket sales. Everybody, Europe, Spain, they’re all coming into LA, so I’m looking at the business. I’m like, this was an amazing business decision by billionaires to say this is what I want for now, and this is what we need as a league.”
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Still leaves that Mav’s had to be willing participants.
If the league wanted this what can possibly be given, legally, as incentive?
Btw, Luka already squashed rumors that he was not going to sign or that he would have not been willing to accommodate to stay in Dallas.
This is all on Nico’s failure to handle this properly .
Nalod wrote:Nobody talking about AD in Dallas with that roster?
I never put Zion and Luka in the same basket. its about the finances and future breakdown with a superman contract.
Luka has been fantastic and lakers saw the chance to hive its star if and when Lebron bolts.
Rumored Luka is up to 270lbs. He whines and complains about calls, and his defense sucks.
There is the part about AD perhaps being a finishing piece for the here and now.
Bottom line for me is LA just got a top three player in the universe, who is 25.
One with World wide influence. As Rob said, every kid around the world will want a 77 Lakers jersey.
At 25, he Basically gives LA 10 years of possible championships.
All they had to give up was an often hurt 31 year old who was not exactly dominating the league. Despite having an arguable GOAT by his side.
Feel winning a chip in the next couple of years is mute in terms of where both franchises now stand long term.
Think this will be seen as bad as Boston giving up Ruth. But as always what the hell can anyone predict these days. Will be interesting to see. I am sure ratings will be quite high.
SergioNYK wrote:Philc1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Philc1 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Knixkik wrote:Luka to the lakers. What a gift for them. It’s not a knock on AD, but this trade completely bailed them out from what things may look like in a few years when lebron is gone and AD is declining. Luka sets them up for the foreseeable future. Suddenly they can trade their future picks for upgrades without holding their breath. No situation like the Suns are in. Luka changes it all. I get the conditioning concerns, but it’s a gamble you take. This trade is even more lopsided than Randle and Donte for KAT. No matter how smart these execs are, the dumb franchises seem to make questionable decisions when it’s all said and done.Don't quite me on this, but the Lakers don't have much control of their picks either. I'm curious how they build the rest of their roster out.
They have Luka, Lebron and Hachimura that’s a pretty darn good 3 to have as a roster foundation. The heat were able to win championships with guys like The Birdman coming off the street as bench role players
Hach is mid and is clearly behind Reaves in terms of importance. And now they're even worse defensively. I don't see them challenging OKC this year. The year after? You really want to forecast the future with a 40 y/o who could leave? Also, the Lakers couldn't even build properly with AD and LeBron. We're so supposed to think Pelinka is going to up his game now?
Lebron is going nowhere especially now that Luka is there. His son is on the team, he wants to be in movies and it’s LA. I’m sure Silver isn’t done sending more players to the lakers in bs asinine trades.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think the Lakers are better this season with Luka over AD. We'll see how they look after the trade deadline but they don't have any size or front court depth and the duo of Luka and LeBum isn't a perfect fit since they both need the ball and play a similar style.
Honestly, it would be best for both the Lakers and LeBum if they part ways right now. They aren't winning a ring this season.
The nba is now trying to get the Knicks to trade Mitch to the lakers for a 2nd. Silver is desperate to push the lakers next 10 years and is now orchestrating nonsense trades
HofstraBBall wrote:Nalod wrote:Nobody talking about AD in Dallas with that roster?
I never put Zion and Luka in the same basket. its about the finances and future breakdown with a superman contract.
Luka has been fantastic and lakers saw the chance to hive its star if and when Lebron bolts.
Rumored Luka is up to 270lbs. He whines and complains about calls, and his defense sucks.
There is the part about AD perhaps being a finishing piece for the here and now.Bottom line for me is LA just got a top three player in the universe, who is 25.
One with World wide influence. As Rob said, every kid around the world will want a 77 Lakers jersey.
At 25, he Basically gives LA 10 years of possible championships.
All they had to give up was an often hurt 31 year old who was not exactly dominating the league. Despite having an arguable GOAT by his side.Feel winning a chip in the next couple of years is mute in terms of where both franchises now stand long term.
Think this will be seen as bad as Boston giving up Ruth. But as always what the hell can anyone predict these days. Will be interesting to see. I am sure ratings will be quite high.
This is one of the top 10 most lopsided trades of all time. Almost as bad as Divac for Kobe but like I said before even that trade is more defensible because at least back then there was a perception that high school kids shouldn’t be going straight to the nba
Philc1 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Nalod wrote:Nobody talking about AD in Dallas with that roster?
I never put Zion and Luka in the same basket. its about the finances and future breakdown with a superman contract.
Luka has been fantastic and lakers saw the chance to hive its star if and when Lebron bolts.
Rumored Luka is up to 270lbs. He whines and complains about calls, and his defense sucks.
There is the part about AD perhaps being a finishing piece for the here and now.Bottom line for me is LA just got a top three player in the universe, who is 25.
One with World wide influence. As Rob said, every kid around the world will want a 77 Lakers jersey.
At 25, he Basically gives LA 10 years of possible championships.
All they had to give up was an often hurt 31 year old who was not exactly dominating the league. Despite having an arguable GOAT by his side.Feel winning a chip in the next couple of years is mute in terms of where both franchises now stand long term.
Think this will be seen as bad as Boston giving up Ruth. But as always what the hell can anyone predict these days. Will be interesting to see. I am sure ratings will be quite high.
This is one of the top 10 most lopsided trades of all time. Almost as bad as Divac for Kobe but like I said before even that trade is more defensible because at least back then there was a perception that high school kids shouldn’t be going straight to the nba
The thing is Kobe was never going to play in Charlette. he threatend to play in Europe until a trade was given. So the context of the moment was the Hornets got a very nice productive player for the 13th pick.
Interesting, your really doing the "Like I said before that trade".......actually referencing your opinion from 1996?
Davis played 76 games last season and was 4th in DPOY, all star and all NBA2. In 42 games he is avg 34 min a game, 25.7 pts per, 2 block shots and 11.9 rebs per game.
Nothing is lost on me regarding the perceived imbalance of the trade but Davis brings something different to the dallas team that has Thompson and Dinwiddie doing well at the 2. No team makes it if not healthy. If Dallas wins a chip Harrison wins the deal.
As for must see TV, yeah I want to see Luka and Lebron after a few practices.
As for being in or out of shape? The question gets answered in the future which was Dallas perceived concern. Luka's numbers speak volumes of what he has done.
IM sure Dallas fans are pissed! I'd be too.
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Its not about the present. its about the next few years. They have guys working with him every day and were obviously not happy with his prep.
That not to dispute his 7 years in the league as not accomplished. The guys is incredible. This is not Zion but there is that big question. Dallas answered it from their perspective. This can all be handled by him by doing more.
Look at Kyrie, the guy flaked out everywhere and has been great in Dallas. Dudes can change.
Maybe he is just the blessed type of dude that can have a dad bod and still perform at the highest levels.
They made the finals last year with him. This is not about the past, its about positioning for the here and now, and the future.
These guys have tough jobs. I get the Brunson thing. they fucked that up. they did get Kyrie and succeeded. Just because you mess one thing up you don't stop.
Takes balls, I'll give Nico that.
That other execs were furious to not get a chance? Dallas got a tier one two way player in return, Who can offer that? Picks don't always work out. Ask Kwame Brown, Greg Oden, Tony Bennett, and Ayton about being picked first? Its a lonely place for Nico in Dallas. Hope for his sake Davis does not blow out an ACL or achilles.
The Mavericks are offering refunds for all home games this season to season ticket holders who canceled packages after the Luka-AD trade 😳Wow.
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They say how may it was?? Fascinating. Nico not sleeping well.
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Click here to view the TweetIts not about the present. its about the next few years. They have guys working with him every day and were obviously not happy with his prep.
That not to dispute his 7 years in the league as not accomplished. The guys is incredible. This is not Zion but there is that big question. Dallas answered it from their perspective. This can all be handled by him by doing more.
Look at Kyrie, the guy flaked out everywhere and has been great in Dallas. Dudes can change.
Maybe he is just the blessed type of dude that can have a dad bod and still perform at the highest levels.
They made the finals last year with him. This is not about the past, its about positioning for the here and now, and the future.
These guys have tough jobs. I get the Brunson thing. they fucked that up. they did get Kyrie and succeeded. Just because you mess one thing up you don't stop.
Takes balls, I'll give Nico that.
That other execs were furious to not get a chance? Dallas got a tier one two way player in return, Who can offer that? Picks don't always work out. Ask Kwame Brown, Greg Oden, Tony Bennett, and Ayton about being picked first? Its a lonely place for Nico in Dallas. Hope for his sake Davis does not blow out an ACL or achilles.
You keep making all these points arguing that this was not a bad trade for Dallas?
Most ones that can’t be confirmed.
What about the possibility that Nico just F’d up? Again?
Is That so hard to include as one of the possibilities ?
He was too fat? When has Dallas been affected by that?
He just took the Mavs to the finals. With an aging player that has not done much with other superstars.
Only player to make ALL NBA 5 out of his first 7 years. At 25
He was going to be unaffordable and did not want to stay?
When asked that question at the conference, he seemed genuine in his response that it was bullshit and that he wanted to be a life long Mav.
Don’t believe The assumption that he would not take less to stay and continue to have a competitive team. And btw, what does KAT make? People acting like what a top three is going to command is going to kill a franchise. Yet also not afraid of an average guy making $60m?
But again, regardless of everything above, it was not the WHY but the HOW!
You have one of the biggest assets in NBA history and you don’t shop him?
Nah man. Say what you want but that is just stupid.
martin wrote:Dallas has let go of Nash and Brunson before their primes. And Doncic.That is still wild to me.
Don't forget Jason Kidd.
HofstraBBall wrote:Keep in mind, every reason for getting rid of Luka is all highly arguable.
He was too fat? When has Dallas been affected by that?
He just took the Mavs to the finals. With an aging player that has not done much with other superstars.
Only player to make ALL NBA 5 out of his first 7 years. At 25
He was going to be unaffordable and did not want to stay?
When asked that question at the conference, he seemed genuine in his response that it was bullshit and that he wanted to be a life long Mav.
Don’t believe The assumption that he would not take less to stay and continue to have a competitive team. And btw, what does KAT make? People acting like what a top three is going to command is going to kill a franchise. Yet also not afraid of an average guy making $60m?But again, regardless of everything above, it was not the WHY but the HOW!
You have one of the biggest assets in NBA history and you don’t shop him?
Nah man. Say what you want but that is just stupid.
Then they follow it up by saying they're surprised by the fan outrage. Everything about their handling of the trade negotiations says they were well aware of how their fanbase would react
SergioNYK wrote:From everything I've read, it seems like Dallas management believes Luka is going to end up like Embiid/LAC version of Kawhi and they didn't want to commit long term. Which is fine and their right to do what they think is best. The issue is only trading with the Lakers and not even entertaining offers from other teams. It looks really suspect and I think there would be a good chance the trade gets vetoed if David Stern was still alive and running things. But we all know Adam Silver is a cuck and gutless.AD is a really REALLY good player and without a doubt a future HOFer but he's 6 years old and at the tail end of his career. It might be a decent trade for Dallas for a year or two but their window is extremely short. They are also banking on that psycho Kyrie being on his best behavior. I don't like their odds.
Ultimately I hate this trade for Dallas and love it for the Lakers. Guys like Luka do not come around often. He's a generational talent. He's not perfect and I'm fully aware of the weight issues and the lack of 100% commitment to his craft but the talent is there and it's not like he hasn't produced. He almost won a ring last season! This also sets up the Lakers for life after LeBum. The hardest thing to do, as we all know here, when you're building a team is getting the main guy and they have it. Everything else from co-star, to supporting cast to finding guys that just fit are much easier now. Call it luck but teams just always seem to help the Lakers. Just wait for the next few days when some team gifts them a good Center for peanuts.
This trade was so lopsided that something else must have been going on. The NBA should investigate. Why would you trade Luka without seeking other offers? Dallas could have gotten a solid player and like 4-5 draft 1st round picks for Luka. If Davis was 5 years younger, then I could understand, but Davis is hurt even more than Luka and he probably only has 3-4 more good years in him. Terrible deal for Dallas.