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Alpha1971 wrote:Diawara was aggressive on offense in his 4 minutes. Don't know how his defense was but looking for signs of hope in him
Had him trying to guard Garland while fighting over screens which didn’t fair so well but he was fine —- great that Brown is finding him some minutes early in games.
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The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
That said, some slightly worrying signs are starting to show IMO. This is starting to look like last years team, not in style really but in outcome. Starters getting crushed, big deficits, miraculous comebacks, Brunson heroics to win games in the clutch. That's a fun way to win but not sustainable way to win and that's why I never felt last years team was as good as their ECF run suggested. Going back to Spurs game we've had big double digit comebacks in every win. I believe in all of them we had big double digit deficits, stormed back, then dug a huge hole again before storming back again. Starters lost their magic a little bit and is starting to look like the clunky unit from last year, Josh seems like he's getting a little hesitant to shoot again. They are digging big holes multiple times in all of these games we found a way to win. Not really loving this trend TBH.
technomaster wrote:Huge win. It seems like we like demoralizing these other teams with our roaring comeback. We're those annoying teams that used to plague the early Thibs Knicks teams. Knicks would be strong for 45 mins (and each starter playing 40+mins), then other teams would overwhelm at the end and steal a few games with fresher legs.The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
I really wonder what os going on in Diadiet's mind/psyche seeing his classmates getting time, and now the guy drafted this year getting time, and he's collecting splinters. I don't see him coming back from this psychologically with this team. Might need a change of scenery.
Kolek is living up to this potential. This is what we hoped for. Thibs could not let him off the short leash.
But lets be honest, he had to earn this!
Tyler will be 25 in march. He did this in college and is aclimating to this level very nicely.
Makes you wonder what deuces trade value is?
James Edwards, Writer for the Athletic wrote a piece agreeing with my long term stance: We keep Mitch this year if we in win now mode.
he walks, he walks. Knicks can't keep them all. No team can. This is our go for it year.
This is not a Nalodian exclusive.
Donovan Mitchell: No doubt Brunson as a free agent was such an incredible aquisition and he is a better player than Donovan but this kid is incredible! In a nutshell the game yesterday was his career. He can wow the crowd in many ways. That dunk in traffic was incredble and had he pulled off the windmill dunk and put the game on ice he'd had a great moment. But he lacks the clutch gene. Not that he is a "Choker", but he simply cannot carry it like Jalen can. Truth be told I'd like it if he was traded to Brooklyn as he wants to play in NY and it would make for a good rivalry.
Clev had some health issues and if they can keep the players on the floor they could still be a threat come playoff time. Im not writing them off just yet. We are not automatic to get by them.
It was a great win yesterday!
Alpha1971 wrote:When Deuce returns he should start alongside Brunson. He can handle the point of attack guard duty provide a second ball handler, and be more aggressive then Hart in the starting unit. Then the bench of Kolek, Clarkson, Hart, and Mitch can sub in with their energy. With Diawara, Huk,and Shamet as needed.
It's a solid lineup, bench, and extra bench.
Panos wrote:technomaster wrote:Huge win. It seems like we like demoralizing these other teams with our roaring comeback. We're those annoying teams that used to plague the early Thibs Knicks teams. Knicks would be strong for 45 mins (and each starter playing 40+mins), then other teams would overwhelm at the end and steal a few games with fresher legs.The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
I really wonder what os going on in Diadiet's mind/psyche seeing his classmates getting time, and now the guy drafted this year getting time, and he's collecting splinters. I don't see him coming back from this psychologically with this team. Might need a change of scenery.
What? You means like how Deuce folded after 2 putrid years of shooting? Or like Kolek who is 4 years older than Dadiet and how he folded after his first year and beginning of this one?
Last year Dadiet was one of the youngest guys in the league. It's OK to marinate, cause that would be the expectation quite frankly
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martin wrote:Panos wrote:What? You means like how Deuce folded after 2 putrid years of shooting? Or like Kolek who is 4 years older than Dadiet and how he folded after his first year and beginning of this one?technomaster wrote:Huge win. It seems like we like demoralizing these other teams with our roaring comeback. We're those annoying teams that used to plague the early Thibs Knicks teams. Knicks would be strong for 45 mins (and each starter playing 40+mins), then other teams would overwhelm at the end and steal a few games with fresher legs.I really wonder what os going on in Diadiet's mind/psyche seeing his classmates getting time, and now the guy drafted this year getting time, and he's collecting splinters. I don't see him coming back from this psychologically with this team. Might need a change of scenery.The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
Last year Dadiet was one of the youngest guys in the league. It's OK to marinate, cause that would be the expectation quite frankly
No. More like Frank and Knox.
Its just my opinion.
Everyone is different. I don't see in him the eye of the tiger that the other two you mentioned have. Just because Deuce and Kolek can do it doesn't mean Dadiet can.
Panos wrote:martin wrote:Panos wrote:What? You means like how Deuce folded after 2 putrid years of shooting? Or like Kolek who is 4 years older than Dadiet and how he folded after his first year and beginning of this one?technomaster wrote:Huge win. It seems like we like demoralizing these other teams with our roaring comeback. We're those annoying teams that used to plague the early Thibs Knicks teams. Knicks would be strong for 45 mins (and each starter playing 40+mins), then other teams would overwhelm at the end and steal a few games with fresher legs.I really wonder what os going on in Diadiet's mind/psyche seeing his classmates getting time, and now the guy drafted this year getting time, and he's collecting splinters. I don't see him coming back from this psychologically with this team. Might need a change of scenery.The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
Last year Dadiet was one of the youngest guys in the league. It's OK to marinate, cause that would be the expectation quite frankly
No. More like Frank and Knox.
Its just my opinion.
Everyone is different. I don't see in him the eye of the tiger that the other two you mentioned have. Just because Deuce and Kolek can do it doesn't mean Dadiet can.
That’s fair and all but Kolek was pretty much exactly in the same position you describe Dadiet is in just 1 or 2 months ago, while being 4 years older. Kolek looked awful in preaseason and SL before that.
GLeague play may give us a hint more data but even that is lacking.
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Mitch has been a Knick so long that video opened with Alonzo Trier, AKA Kevin Durant's Fortnite playmate, taking a jumper
Panos wrote:martin wrote:Panos wrote:What? You means like how Deuce folded after 2 putrid years of shooting? Or like Kolek who is 4 years older than Dadiet and how he folded after his first year and beginning of this one?technomaster wrote:Huge win. It seems like we like demoralizing these other teams with our roaring comeback. We're those annoying teams that used to plague the early Thibs Knicks teams. Knicks would be strong for 45 mins (and each starter playing 40+mins), then other teams would overwhelm at the end and steal a few games with fresher legs.I really wonder what os going on in Diadiet's mind/psyche seeing his classmates getting time, and now the guy drafted this year getting time, and he's collecting splinters. I don't see him coming back from this psychologically with this team. Might need a change of scenery.The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
Last year Dadiet was one of the youngest guys in the league. It's OK to marinate, cause that would be the expectation quite frankly
No. More like Frank and Knox.
Its just my opinion.
Everyone is different. I don't see in him the eye of the tiger that the other two you mentioned have. Just because Deuce and Kolek can do it doesn't mean Dadiet can.
I get the same vide. Dadiet looks like a kid to me. He bops around like a puppy dog, not a grown man.
Diawara is the same age and I get the opposite vibe from him.
That is not to say Dadiet lacks talent.
What it means to me is he may not have that fire to elevate himself on a contending team with limited minutes available. When you get those minutes you have to do something notable to impress the coach which is what Diawara does, but not Dadiet.
If Dadiet is going to become an NBA player he may be better off in a rebuilding program with more opportunity to play. Thus far, he lacks the grit to make an impression on this squad.
He's trade bait.
martin wrote:Panos wrote:That;s fair and all but Kolek was pretty much exactly in the same position you describe Dadiet is in just 1 or 2 months ago, while being 4 years older. Kolek looked awful in preaseason and SL before that.martin wrote:No. More like Frank and Knox.Panos wrote:What? You means like how Deuce folded after 2 putrid years of shooting? Or like Kolek who is 4 years older than Dadiet and how he folded after his first year and beginning of this one?technomaster wrote:Huge win. It seems like we like demoralizing these other teams with our roaring comeback. We're those annoying teams that used to plague the early Thibs Knicks teams. Knicks would be strong for 45 mins (and each starter playing 40+mins), then other teams would overwhelm at the end and steal a few games with fresher legs.I really wonder what os going on in Diadiet's mind/psyche seeing his classmates getting time, and now the guy drafted this year getting time, and he's collecting splinters. I don't see him coming back from this psychologically with this team. Might need a change of scenery.The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
Last year Dadiet was one of the youngest guys in the league. It's OK to marinate, cause that would be the expectation quite frankly
Its just my opinion.
Everyone is different. I don't see in him the eye of the tiger that the other two you mentioned have. Just because Deuce and Kolek can do it doesn't mean Dadiet can.GLeague play may give us a hint more data but even that is lacking.
Look, I'd love to be wrong and you right.
But I'll believe when I see it.
All these kids were differnet as were knicks when we drafted them. Deuce knew he would sit/learn for about two seasons and was cool with it.
Frank? He was an 18 year old pro who had another growth spurt in him and a body that could haved filled out. It did not happen as hoped. He also had 3 team presidents and I believe 5 head coaches. He was given a lot of rope and when he had his best window he hurt his shoulder.
Knox was also super young and had a very good shot. He and Frank both got major minutes on shit teams. Dadiet is not on such a team. He does have a deal and the security of a 1st round deal that gives him a longer window then second round players.
I don't know what pissed off Brown last week when he got pulled out of the game. We don't know what brown is asking of him either.
Im not going to label him a bust quite yet. Yes, we don't do well with the French players, nor the light skinned teens, but thats kind of a subliminal thing fans do. We love to attempt to label and predict. This kids all have their own pace to fulfill.
Kevin knox 26 now playing for the Windy city bulls in the Gleage. Avg almost 19pts per and 42% from 3pt. less than a year and half older then Kolek! LOL.........
Panos wrote:martin wrote:Panos wrote:That;s fair and all but Kolek was pretty much exactly in the same position you describe Dadiet is in just 1 or 2 months ago, while being 4 years older. Kolek looked awful in preaseason and SL before that.martin wrote:No. More like Frank and Knox.Panos wrote:What? You means like how Deuce folded after 2 putrid years of shooting? Or like Kolek who is 4 years older than Dadiet and how he folded after his first year and beginning of this one?technomaster wrote:Huge win. It seems like we like demoralizing these other teams with our roaring comeback. We're those annoying teams that used to plague the early Thibs Knicks teams. Knicks would be strong for 45 mins (and each starter playing 40+mins), then other teams would overwhelm at the end and steal a few games with fresher legs.I really wonder what os going on in Diadiet's mind/psyche seeing his classmates getting time, and now the guy drafted this year getting time, and he's collecting splinters. I don't see him coming back from this psychologically with this team. Might need a change of scenery.The rotation has been a bit different this year and certainly less iso/grind heavy on O. The Knicks have a lot of weapons off the bench this year and we've been grinding with our starters less.
Last year's rookies were basically dead weight for most of the year - Dadiet/Kolek/McCullar JR/Hukporti took up roster spots but were never trusted. (To be fair, Hukporti looked primed for minutes, then got hurt)
Two of last year's draft picks have emerged as minutes-ready: Kolek and Hukporti. And while Dadiet still doesn't seem quite ready (may never be ready?) at forward, his countryman and 2nd round rookie this season Diarawa keeps getting chances and rave reviews from the coach. He had a nifty move today, showed poise taking his man 1-on-1 with secondary defenders nearby.
Last year Dadiet was one of the youngest guys in the league. It's OK to marinate, cause that would be the expectation quite frankly
Its just my opinion.
Everyone is different. I don't see in him the eye of the tiger that the other two you mentioned have. Just because Deuce and Kolek can do it doesn't mean Dadiet can.GLeague play may give us a hint more data but even that is lacking.
Look, I'd love to be wrong and you right.
But I'll believe when I see it.
I don’t know if there is even a wrong or right. Dadiet has played exactly 36 minutes this year, so just about nothing. On top of nothing last year.
Is there even enough data to look at?