BlueKnickers wrote:Trump is considering attending a Finals game at MSGBAD IDEA
It would result in the epic image of his own hometown booing him out of the stadium
Kinda hope it happens. Trae Young is getting stale, could use a new chant to unite the crowd.
Wonder if Mitch would still be allowed to visit the White House after we win or if the whole team would be banned. 
Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:Clean wrote:Looking at the reffing lowlights we have no chance vs the Thunder if they make it to the finals. Half our team will be in foul trouble every game. Refs know they foul bait and fall for it every single time.
Conspiratorially speaking, what would the NBA gain from a repeat by OKC vs. a new championship in NYC?
I'd think the Knicks winning a chip would be in the NBA's best interests
I have it in the back of my mind that the NBA business behind the scenes - whether international expansion or whatnot - also drives these things, just not on court stuff that plays out in front of us.
For me, without anything to back it up, the SAS ownership team has done tremendous favors for the NBA as a whole and we have seen the favors returned over the years. David, Tim, Wemby is just too coincidental for me. Also, none of this type of thing is too outside norm of any large and private entities. These are all billionaires who conduct all sorts of business outside the NBA; and in fact, the NBA stuff is mostly sideshow flaunting of their money relatively speaking, it’s just the fun parts for them.
Since the inception of the NBA Draft Lottery in 1985, the New York Knicks have remarkably never moved up in the draft order to a higher position than what their regular-season record dictated
They are one of the most notoriously unlucky franchises in lottery history, frequently staying put or dropping back several spots. While they infamously won the very first lottery in 1985 to draft Patrick Ewing, their luck ran out immediately afterward. Over the last four decades of lottery appearances, they have never jumped a single spot.
The New York Knicks have participated in the NBA Draft Lottery 20 times since the lottery system was introduced in 1985.
The math aint mathing if everything was on the up & up.
How many times were we in the lottery?
how many picks did we trade away?
how many short sighted starphuch things did we do?
We here not becuse we got lucky in the draft. In fact one might surmise we go lucky to not move up?
How many times were we in the lottery?
Seems you didn't make it to the 3rd italics
how many picks did we trade away?
How does trading draft picks correlate with jumping draft position?
how many short sighted starphuch things did we do?
How does starphuching correlate with jumping draft position?
We here not becuse we got lucky in the draft. In fact one might surmise we go lucky to not move up?
Okay
BlueKnickers wrote:Wemby looks depleted. The long journey is taking its toll on him. He doesn't have the juice tonight to carry the Spurs.I think that's what would happen against us too. OKC is the more dangerous team for us to face.
iHart is dominating in the 4th quarter, outplaying Wemby in a big way
They need an enforcer next to him. Same thing we had for Patrick. I say use those 3 goons they have for 18 fouls. Biyombo, Olynyck and Plumlee
I’m really getting sick of hearing that both OKC and the spurs are better than us … have these so called experts watched basketball. Sure in the regular season I’d agree both the spurs and OKC were playing somewhat better than us … but we did win the cup and beat the spurs .
This team is not the same as the regular season team … this is the best team I’ve ever seen wear a Knicks uniform and that goes back to king, Ewing, spree.
This team is not only statistically better than both of these western teams . They are just playing better basketball than both western teams period via eye test as a person that watches basketball. We shouldn’t be the underdog if we are going by playoff play. Because no one is playing better basketball than the Knicks .
Knicks in 4 !!! Let’s Go Knicks !
And let’s shut these haters up once and for all!!
newyorknewyork wrote:Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:BlueKnickers wrote:Clean wrote:Looking at the reffing lowlights we have no chance vs the Thunder if they make it to the finals. Half our team will be in foul trouble every game. Refs know they foul bait and fall for it every single time.
Conspiratorially speaking, what would the NBA gain from a repeat by OKC vs. a new championship in NYC?
I'd think the Knicks winning a chip would be in the NBA's best interests
I have it in the back of my mind that the NBA business behind the scenes - whether international expansion or whatnot - also drives these things, just not on court stuff that plays out in front of us.
For me, without anything to back it up, the SAS ownership team has done tremendous favors for the NBA as a whole and we have seen the favors returned over the years. David, Tim, Wemby is just too coincidental for me. Also, none of this type of thing is too outside norm of any large and private entities. These are all billionaires who conduct all sorts of business outside the NBA; and in fact, the NBA stuff is mostly sideshow flaunting of their money relatively speaking, it’s just the fun parts for them.
Since the inception of the NBA Draft Lottery in 1985, the New York Knicks have remarkably never moved up in the draft order to a higher position than what their regular-season record dictated
They are one of the most notoriously unlucky franchises in lottery history, frequently staying put or dropping back several spots. While they infamously won the very first lottery in 1985 to draft Patrick Ewing, their luck ran out immediately afterward. Over the last four decades of lottery appearances, they have never jumped a single spot.
The New York Knicks have participated in the NBA Draft Lottery 20 times since the lottery system was introduced in 1985.
The math aint mathing if everything was on the up & up.
How many times were we in the lottery?
how many picks did we trade away?
how many short sighted starphuch things did we do?
We here not becuse we got lucky in the draft. In fact one might surmise we go lucky to not move up?
How many times were we in the lottery?
Seems you didn't make it to the 3rd italics
how many picks did we trade away?
How does trading draft picks correlate with jumping draft position?
how many short sighted starphuch things did we do?
How does starphuching correlate with jumping draft position?
We here not becuse we got lucky in the draft. In fact one might surmise we go lucky to not move up?
Okay
I did miss the 3rd Italics. Sorry.
I see your point and yeah your right, it sucks.
My point was if we had not the rights to the pick then does the that work to the "Not everything on the up and up?"
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/...
The above link depicts the 20 chances. We moved back 7 times. Moved up once. Hell of time though!
Your right, our history sucks! I looked at wizards who been there more and they moved Back quite a bit to when they moved up. Heat have been in lotter only 12 times. They have moved back 6 and never moved up. I have not looked at all the teams but some are unlucky also.
No doubt in my survay there are far more that drop than moved up.
When you look at it, there is some math to it.
Thanks for the link. Now look at the Spurs.
In the lottery 10 times in 38 years. Moved up 6 times out of 10. Never moved back. Netted 3 all time great generational talents within 3 of the 6 move ups. In comparison to 1 move up(which the NBA got critiqued for cheating in favor of the Knicks with a frozen envelope) in 20 attempts and 7 drop backs.
But yea everything appears on the up and up
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newyorknewyork wrote:Thanks for the link. Now look at the Spurs.In the lottery 10 times in 38 years. Moved up 6 times out of 10. Never moved back. Netted 3 all time great generational talents within 3 of the 6 move ups. In comparison to 1 move up(which the NBA got critiqued for cheating in favor of the Knicks with a frozen envelope) in 20 attempts and 7 drop backs.
But yea everything appears on the up and up.
OK. But does the Spurs ownership have stuff on multiple owners? I might counter to conspiracy knowing most owners are competitive and unless there is some reason, why would other owers put up with some teams gaining favor over others? The Commish works for the owners. The owners don't all like each other, they are not always likable themselves.
When a mathmatical anomaly presnets with no logic I suppose its hard to argue against it.
Nalod wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Thanks for the link. Now look at the Spurs.In the lottery 10 times in 38 years. Moved up 6 times out of 10. Never moved back. Netted 3 all time great generational talents within 3 of the 6 move ups. In comparison to 1 move up(which the NBA got critiqued for cheating in favor of the Knicks with a frozen envelope) in 20 attempts and 7 drop backs.
But yea everything appears on the up and up.
OK. But does the Spurs ownership have stuff on multiple owners? I might counter to conspiracy knowing most owners are competitive and unless there is some reason, why would other owers put up with some teams gaining favor over others? The Commish works for the owners. The owners don't all like each other, they are not always likable themselves.
When a mathmatical anomaly presnets with no logic I suppose its hard to argue against it.
If I had the answer to that I would of said it already. Given the link you provided no other teams chart comes close to the Spurs(Outside of the Lakers).
Every team has multiple drop backs. Spurs not once.
Dallas also moved up only once in their lottery history. Just so happen to be the year they traded Luka. They magically moved up 10 spots to land net Flagg. Probably the only reason why the Spurs ain't move up again.
martin wrote:Jesus
Well stated. Very impressive historical context. It has been a privilege to witness this level of play.
The full respect will come with a chip.
The 73 win GSW team was enroute to a coronation until bad health hit them in the finals.
The undefeated Patriots did not finish undefeated. They ran into karma.
Both those teams were dynasties.
Knicks are a good team doing something very special not seen during the regular season. In my book, its ok for many to be skeptical.
Things have to fall in place to win a chip. Talent, chemistry, health, matchups, and health. To bake that cake you need it all. Some great teams in the past fell missing an ingrediant.
Right now Its all together. The ingrediants, the sun, the moon and the stars all are aligned. The opponent might have the same.
It all gets sorted out on the court. NOt media, not past hate, conspiracies, etc.
Knicks "do their fucking jobs" and we can celebrate them.
I’m ready for game 6 Wemby
I think SA's lead should be even larger going into the half. Wemby is going to tire out at this level of effort. Fix needs to step up. Harper is going to phucking scary next year.
Looks like SA has this one ! It all boils down to a game 7 perfect !! No rest for the wicked !! Hopefully we luck out and SA wins the series !
SGA & OKC EXPOSED!!!!Refs letting the players play
SGA deprived of his oxygen, AKA charity trips to the free throw line
Without their free candy, OKC is a paper tiger, unable to deal with real defensive pressure
28 points in 28 minutes. The Alien didn't come in peace tonight.
Well, a 7 game series, while the Knicks are resting up; we got what we wanted.
BlueKnickers wrote:SGA & OKC EXPOSED!!!!Refs letting the players play
SGA deprived of his oxygen, AKA charity trips to the free throw line
Without their free candy, OKC is a paper tiger, unable to deal with real defensive pressure
This is what me and my daughter were saying watching last night's game. Amazing how things looked when suddenly the refs called a good game. Not impressed with either team honestly. Spurs are too young and OKC is mid without the refs gifting them the games.
We shall see how poorly the officiating is in game 7 though. SGA is going to need all the help he can get.
Always thought that series was going seven and it's a toss up. I really hope the zebras allow the talent and best team to win and not give SGA and OKC an unfair advantage with cheap flopping fouls but I have my doubts.
Either way, we're in for an uphill battle in the Finals against either team. Both are different but equally tough imho. I guess I'd rather play the Spurs cause we've had some success against them recently and they are inexperienced but does that even matter at this point? But OKC is compromised with Jalen Williams and Mitchell hurt. Regardless, expect to be heavy underdogs.
SergioNYK wrote:Always thought that series was going seven and it's a toss up. I really hope the zebras allow the talent and best team to win and not give SGA and OKC an unfair advantage with cheap flopping fouls but I have my doubts. Either way, we're in for an uphill battle in the Finals against either team. Both are different but equally tough imho. I guess I'd rather play the Spurs cause we've had some success against them recently and they are inexperienced but does that even matter at this point? But OKC is compromised with Jalen Williams and Mitchell hurt. Regardless, expect to be heavy underdogs.
Good points. Perhaps both these teams are so good they are making each look bad a times?
The flopping is awful and its crazy how much players fall after taking a shot.
To be fair, Josh and Brunson are pretty good at getting hit and selling it also. In todays game you have to. SGA is a two time MVP and that won't go away. His floppig is exceptional and effective. Its a skill. It will need to be respected and dealt with like any other skill on the court. We can call it immoral and jeer as fans it but its a reality.
That its gone 7 games is a sign how tight those teams are. Neither is a "Great team" but they are both really really good!
