Alpha1971 wrote:Drummond was too fat last year. He was soft in the belly. If he puts in the work in the gym and does his cardio might make a huge difference. Let's see how he shows up to camp. Hope he sits down and only has one portion at dinner and cuts the chips and high calorie beverages out.
If he locked in he would help us a lot. I understood why people are skeptical, but his upside if he gets reasonably fit is greater than most people acknowledge
Drummond is 33. Yes he is not in this 20's nor is he moses Malone, but....He did play 64 games last season and here are his log for the year:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...He started 24 games. His 19.5 min per game avg does not tell the full story. Mitch played 60 games and averaged 19.6 min.
Offensive stats? Mitch 5.7 pts, 8.8 rebs, 4.2 offensive and that abysmal 40% FT%. Andre? 6.4 pts, 8.4 rebs, 3.2 offensive rebs and 63% from Free throw line. Im not suggesting we won't miss what mitch brings. The salary difference was very different.
Reality is not a plug and play video game league here. Chemistry and his abilty to pass/Shoot/Stretch/rebound is important. With that in mind he can bring somthing with the system knicks play. I trust Leon. Seems as if Knicks have some flexiblity and perhaps he is waiting on a buy out? A trade? Maybe even until the trade deadline? Nalod does advocate having another true 5 on the roster that can contribute.
I suggest a few of you look at Drummonds logs and while its very inconsistent minutes, its not like he just rolling around in the mud doing nothing.
Nalod wrote:Drummond is 33. Yes he is not in this 20's nor is he moses Malone, but....He did play 64 games last season and here are his log for the year:https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...He started 24 games. His 19.5 min per game avg does not tell the full story. Mitch played 60 games and averaged 19.6 min.
Offensive stats? Mitch 5.7 pts, 8.8 rebs, 4.2 offensive and that abysmal 40% FT%. Andre? 6.4 pts, 8.4 rebs, 3.2 offensive rebs and 63% from Free throw line. Im not suggesting we won't miss what mitch brings. The salary difference was very different.
Reality is not a plug and play video game league here. Chemistry and his abilty to pass/Shoot/Stretch/rebound is important. With that in mind he can bring somthing with the system knicks play. I trust Leon. Seems as if Knicks have some flexiblity and perhaps he is waiting on a buy out? A trade? Maybe even until the trade deadline? Nalod does advocate having another true 5 on the roster that can contribute.
I suggest a few of you look at Drummonds logs and while its very inconsistent minutes, its not like he just rolling around in the mud doing nothing.
At 2.45m of cap space, Drummond is the closest comp to Robinson we could afford.
What we will be missing is his box outs. Robinson got his rebounds while boxing out more. Drummond isn’t a slouch, but he wasn’t on Mitch’s level.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-ou...
That’s where a guy like Moussa Cisse came in. Maybe still can come in if Dallas can’t solve their roster crunch. Dallas will really have to cut a center at some point. And that center - whichever one - will likely be our best option as backup / 3rd center.
EwingsGlass wrote:Nalod wrote:Drummond is 33. Yes he is not in this 20's nor is he moses Malone, but....He did play 64 games last season and here are his log for the year:https://www.basketball-reference.com/pla...He started 24 games. His 19.5 min per game avg does not tell the full story. Mitch played 60 games and averaged 19.6 min.
Offensive stats? Mitch 5.7 pts, 8.8 rebs, 4.2 offensive and that abysmal 40% FT%. Andre? 6.4 pts, 8.4 rebs, 3.2 offensive rebs and 63% from Free throw line. Im not suggesting we won't miss what mitch brings. The salary difference was very different.
Reality is not a plug and play video game league here. Chemistry and his abilty to pass/Shoot/Stretch/rebound is important. With that in mind he can bring somthing with the system knicks play. I trust Leon. Seems as if Knicks have some flexiblity and perhaps he is waiting on a buy out? A trade? Maybe even until the trade deadline? Nalod does advocate having another true 5 on the roster that can contribute.
I suggest a few of you look at Drummonds logs and while its very inconsistent minutes, its not like he just rolling around in the mud doing nothing.
At 2.45m of cap space, Drummond is the closest comp to Robinson we could afford.
What we will be missing is his box outs. Robinson got his rebounds while boxing out more. Drummond isn’t a slouch, but he wasn’t on Mitch’s level.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-ou...
That’s where a guy like Moussa Cisse came in. Maybe still can come in if Dallas can’t solve their roster crunch. Dallas will really have to cut a center at some point. And that center - whichever one - will likely be our best option as backup / 3rd center.
Mitch did a few things elite and yes, boxing out was great. The window, the Chip, the contract, and his payday allworked out for both. Knicks did not have the money and Mitch lacks certain skills on offense. Drummond lacks in some areas but will excell in others vs. Mitch. Things like FT's, catching the ball, and passing.
Obviously Knicks want another athletic 5 and perhaps the Lively situation in Dallas will be resolved soon enough. Problem there is he has only played in 98 games over three seasons. Still just 22 years old he has the skills and potential but can't stay on the floor. He gets 5.2mm this year and then is restricted FA. Im not familiar with is issues and if they would be percieved as chronic going forward or he'd project to be OK.
I suspect Leon might have forced the Cisse thing a bit hoping they shake Lively loose? ALdama has 34mm due in next 2 years and Gafford about 54mm over 3. They gonna stretch/waive them? Knicks trading for Lively won't be easy given his 7mm salary. I Understand the default is "Dadiet" but that alone won't do it. Dallas has to think thru Kyrie who has 80mm over two years and not on the same timeline as the rebuilding Dallas. He needs to demonstrate he is "back" or not and then perhaps the trade rumors start to fly.
Man this guy would solidify the Knicks for years. Picked right after Keels
martin wrote:Man this guy would solidify the Knicks for years. Picked right after Keels
He is my current man crush. Understood if he isn’t available, but I’d be using assets here.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Man this guy would solidify the Knicks for years. Picked right after Keels
He is my current man crush. Understood if he isn’t available, but I’d be using assets here.
Does the line start after you or after me haha
martin wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:Man this guy would solidify the Knicks for years. Picked right after Keels
He is my current man crush. Understood if he isn’t available, but I’d be using assets here.
Does the line start after you or after me haha
You can have dibs. He definitely had the quick hops in early games against the Knicks. Making plays that you say - who’s that guy?
Diabate got the same agent as Kuminga, hopefully Knicks convince him to switch to Sam Rose
To be fair, perhaps its Kuminga that rejected the offers with the belief in the right situation he'd shine brighter when given the opportunity.
Kuminga did not rise to the occasion. Maybe he bet on himself and its just not happening.
Perhaps its coming? Perhaps not. Is that all on the agent? Imagine the scenario a kid blows up and agent told him to take the safe money?
Likewise imagine an agent telling a player he not getting it done and should take the money and keep working?there is a play where Kuminga making his agent lookinng bad?
On the otherside Moussa is getting it done and perhaps CLT has put offers under his nose but he has chosen to also bet on himself.
I like the kid. So does CLT. So might a half dozen other teams. It would be great to have him here. Knicks got its money tied up and would have to make a trade to clear space or outright swap with CLT.
A leader like Josh Hart would help them a lot. Not this year. This team has earned the right to defend its championship and contend they will.
Nalod wrote:To be fair, perhaps its Kuminga that rejected the offers with the belief in the right situation he'd shine brighter when given the opportunity.
Kuminga did not rise to the occasion. Maybe he bet on himself and its just not happening.
Perhaps its coming? Perhaps not. Is that all on the agent? Imagine the scenario a kid blows up and agent told him to take the safe money?
Likewise imagine an agent telling a player he not getting it done and should take the money and keep working?there is a play where Kuminga making his agent lookinng bad?
On the otherside Moussa is getting it done and perhaps CLT has put offers under his nose but he has chosen to also bet on himself.
I like the kid. So does CLT. So might a half dozen other teams. It would be great to have him here. Knicks got its money tied up and would have to make a trade to clear space or outright swap with CLT.
A leader like Josh Hart would help them a lot. Not this year. This team has earned the right to defend its championship and contend they will.
True.
Aaron Turner also is/was the agent for Victor Oladipo who famously missed out on a gigantic contract. And Terry Rozier.
Dude does seem to be the agent for players that somehow get fucked
I don't recall the particulars of 'Dipo money or Roziers, but given that Terry fucked himself pretty good and got paid very nicely seems that Turner did ok by him?
In a way Kuminga fucked over turner? How? Dude been working alot for him and does Kuminga pan out as hoped? Nope. He gets that big contract Turner gets paid. If not, he don't.
Remember Jerry McGuire? "Show me the Money"!!!! When Jerry told him he needed the heart to get the money. He did and go this contract. Drama of course but There is a lot more than just posting summer work out videos, etc.........gotta do it when it counts on the court in a game.
That ATL let him walk was pretty telling after 16 game regular season games and one and done series.
Nalod wrote:I don't recall the particulars of 'Dipo money or Roziers, but given that Terry fucked himself pretty good and got paid very nicely seems that Turner did ok by him?In a way Kuminga fucked over turner? How? Dude been working alot for him and does Kuminga pan out as hoped? Nope. He gets that big contract Turner gets paid. If not, he don't.
Remember Jerry McGuire? "Show me the Money"!!!! When Jerry told him he needed the heart to get the money. He did and go this contract. Drama of course but There is a lot more than just posting summer work out videos, etc.........gotta do it when it counts on the court in a game.
That ATL let him walk was pretty telling after 16 game regular season games and one and done series.
Shady people always seem to be around other shady people, and when even some of your clients are offered very good deals and turn them down hunting for more when it’s not realistic or advisable for whatever reason, and it also happens multiple times, you know you ain’t around the right people.
Hustle or get hustled, it don’t matter in the end.
Nalod wrote:I don't recall the particulars of 'Dipo money or Roziers, but given that Terry fucked himself pretty good and got paid very nicely seems that Turner did ok by him?In a way Kuminga fucked over turner? How? Dude been working alot for him and does Kuminga pan out as hoped? Nope. He gets that big contract Turner gets paid. If not, he don't.
Remember Jerry McGuire? "Show me the Money"!!!! When Jerry told him he needed the heart to get the money. He did and go this contract. Drama of course but There is a lot more than just posting summer work out videos, etc.........gotta do it when it counts on the court in a game.
That ATL let him walk was pretty telling after 16 game regular season games and one and done series.
Kind of getting twisted in this analysis. Seems like he is good at getting guys into the league but seems to misprice his athletes in the $10m to $25m per year range. Can’t reign his guys in.
We don’t have to judge Turner by his losses. Help me find his wins.
