Knicks · Idiots who liked the Mo Taylor trade manup! (page 8)

Posted by Allanfan20:

Such a silly thread that it is 10 pages of good discussion.

Yeah, it's ironic. Sometimes silly threads do become long like this one, though, especially if people go off on tangents that actually are worth discussing

Posted by Bonn1997:

I don't think trading for a star is the answer. I would love for this team to see what the Pistons did as a team with 3 or 4 above average players, and players who know their role.

The Pistons are an extreme exception to the rule that stars win championships. How many teams with no superstars in the past 25 years have won championships?

There is only one..Detroit, IMO, but that is mostly because LA, Boston, Detroit, CHI, SA and Houston have been the only teams that won it in close to the past 25 years...not exactly a huge selection.

Posted by Masterplan:

The MLE by definition is the average salary of everyone in the NBA....that doesn't mean 1/2 the league has that salary, it is just an average.

yes. if you read my post, i said half the league makes the MLE or less. two thirds of our team makes more than that, and like 90% of our players who have a contract past this season. that cuts down our trading options, unless we keep taking on bad contracts, which i don't want to do.

I don't understand your last part. There are plenty of Hassell type players out there, each on a team with a unique financial structure. There are ways anything work. Trading for players making the LLE or whatever, and if that is the only way you plan on rebuilding our assets and getting our cost under control, I think it is narrow thinking. Signings and such should be taken into account...How many midlevel players would you like on this roster?

I don't think trading for a star is the answer. I would love for this team to see what the Pistons did as a team with 3 or 4 above average players, and players who know their role.

stars do win championships. but they need the right supporting cast around them. to keep using the hassell example, he was a cheap signee that took minutes from guys like spree and szczerbiak, guys making way more than him. we currently have the mindset that, if we need a pure shooter, we have to get ray allen. if we need a post scorer, let's give curry the money he wants. i think it's a troubling mindset when other teams find those guys in the draft or early on in their careers. we're stuck making moves for big money players, and yet all the real stars are on other teams. i think that unless we can get one of those championship players for TT, penny, mo, whoever, we need to replace them with reasonable role players so that when we do get that star we have the flexibility to put the pieces in place around him to win it all.

Sorry about the first part, I'll read more carefully next time.

I agree with your points about Curry and Ray Allen. They are not pieces we need, I would much rather blitz this draft get Taft, Simien, Graham or Green and Jarret Jack, but that won't happen. What will happen is Zeke is trying to patch up some spots and rebuild while at least trying to be competitive.

Seriously, not one player is untouchable on this roster, but I would like to keep Ariza especially, but noone is untouchable, even Sweetney. I agree with the whole principle you have stated, but I also do not expect teams to be lining up to help us out of our problem...Sometimes you have to take a step back to move 3 steps forward, IMO.

I hate to resurrect this, but if he produces like tonight, well worth the trade...Like I said, he's a baller, who cares about contracts, if we are winning and he's producing...Good trade.

I liked the Mo Taylor Trade. UP!

This thread has more lives than a freakin' houseful of cats!

In the immortal words of Herm Edwards

You play to win the game

Mo Taylor rocks!

>> What do you got to say now?????

>> Mo is pathetic.

simrud - Isiah is a fool and you are a genius.

Great thread.

Great Knicks win.

What do YOU got to say now?

Delete this thread.

Posted by Rich:

Delete this thread.

But then what thread will we have to comment on when Baker and Norris either lead Houston to the championship or are traded for players who lead Houston to the championship (since they're both crucial trade pieces)? We have to save this thread so that a year or two from now we can give certain posters their due credit when Baker and Norris are responsible for Houston's championship run

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/23/2005 23:43:50]

Glad I stood still with my stance on Mo Taylor. I hate to say it boys and girls but Isiah knows what he's doing. Mo T steps up again when the Knicks need a post prescence. I dont care how much the guy is getting played he's giving the Knicks a great interior option and guess what, hes upping his value for future trade situations.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03/24/2005 00:48:04]

Ah, interesting, some of you who have not posted before come out and say something.

Mo had a good game.
Yestrerday, Spoon had a good game, too. Why don't we get him, too?

In the end of the day you have a 9 mil a year guy who has a decent game every 1 out of like 6, signed for two years.

Let's all celebrate now.

We gave up Moochie, Vin and a late second round pick. Nothing + nothing + nothing = nothing. Why does anyone care about this trade? It was a total non-event.

mo is contributing to wins...and that is what the games are all about.

Philly and indiana won as well, so yesterday was only a victory in a sense that we beat boston. Eff boston.

The real issue is the out and out ANGER spewed against the trade when in reality, it made us better and opened up roster spots (two cba pickups?).

I just took issue with the fact that after we lose to the heat, this thread pops up calling us all idiots.

I'm sure those that keep denying Mo T's value can see why I have an issue with that.

Mo had a good game, and is looking more and more comfortable. he get's paid 9 million a year, but looks like he could contribute a post presence and interior toughness that the knicks need. While he may not be trade bait, he has begun to make Kurt Thomas more tradeable and (I hate to say it) Sweetney as well.

He was on the IL for a long time and is still getting back into basketball shape, but when a player is in a situation where he is being used to his strengths (all praise herb), he has a tendency to play up to his potential...and if mo plays up to his potential (see Tiny Tim) then he is more than worth his salary (well, not like TT yet ).

I'm no GM, and if two overpaid crappy players are better trade assets, then yes...the mo t trade sucked...

But Mo is a baller and he's looking better and better each game. (more talent than rose?)

Remember, this post showed up after we got beat by the team with the best record in the league and a team that has SHAQ.

So, if these posts can show up when we get beat by the best team in the league (idiots), then we can respond when Mo has a good game.

Only time will tell which will happen more often.

My money is Mo T (and so is Dolan's)

So, as the post states, I'm an idiot and I'm manning up.

And, until they lock/delete this thread, I'll be manning up after every Mo (and or knick win) because i liked that trade.

ps. mo is awesome in xbox. =)

[Edited by - rvhoss on 03/24/2005 07:38:01]

Ira... the issue is with the philosophy. Its not about Mo Taylor. He's not bad, he will have his moments. Last night was one of them. What got the Knicks in the postion they are in now was always trading for players that
a) have longer contracts than the guy(s) they were traded for
b) are grossly overpaid to begin with
c) are on the downside of their career or have already played their best ball (no upside)
d) including draft picks in trades to aquire these players.
The Mo Taylor trade has ALL those negatives.
Another issue is roster spots. we have too many players under contract for next year. I think we have 10 NOT including Ariza. So if we have the good draft everyone is hoping for where are these guys going to play? Are we going to waive Butler (our free first rounder) to make room? Maybe we buyout Penny? The options are thin... its a major issue. Not to mention the fact that we simply dont need Mo Taylor. We now have 5 PFs and all have at least 2 more years AFTER this one on their deals.

this is not the 1st good game from Taylor. He had 15pts one other time.

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 03/24/2005 19:24:34]

Posted by fishmike:


Another issue is roster spots. we have too many players under contract for next year. I think we have 10 NOT including Ariza. So if we have the good draft everyone is hoping for where are these guys going to play? Are we going to waive Butler (our free first rounder) to make room? Maybe we buyout Penny? The options are thin... its a major issue.

Then you should love the Mo Taylor trade. It freed up a roster spot for next year.

I hope Jackie Butler sticks around but Jermaine needs to go. He doesn't impress me at all offensively and especially defensively

Agree Guns... Jermaine is a stop gap until the end of the year. Moochie was much better. He's got good size.. but thats about all I can say thats positive. I would rather have a sparkplug type like Barrett.

Hopefully Butler sticks, not because I like him but because that means he's worth keeping.

Posted by fishmike:

Agree Guns... Jermaine is a stop gap until the end of the year. Moochie was much better. He's got good size.. but thats about all I can say thats positive. I would rather have a sparkplug type like Barrett.

Hopefully Butler sticks, not because I like him but because that means he's worth keeping.

Really? If Isiah puts someone on the roster, that means he's worth having? You haven't had that attitude with certain players. Why now with this one?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 03/24/2005 08:54:16]

yeah Jackson is almost 30....they'll find someone late in the draft. still think he's better than moochie and brewer though!

Posted by gunsnewing:

yeah Jackson is almost 30....they'll find someone late in the draft. still think he's better than moochie and brewer though!

thats not exactly a ringing endorsement... wasnt Brewer waived? Hey.. he at least had that one great dunk. MSg is probably going to show all their "all ball" episodes early next year because half the guys will be traded before their episode is set to run

Does anyone else think of the Jackson 5 everytime they hear Jermain Jackson?