Knicks · Knicks traded for Towns (finally official 10/1) (page 49)

blkexec wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

blkexec wrote:NO KAT NO RINGS

If they want to go on a run to the finals this season, then Brunson better prioritize his PnR game with KAT.

KAT should be the # 1 option in this offense, not Brunson.

I would say it a little differently and I think you would agree.

KAT should be Brunsons main priority to get him going early. Same with Mikal. I just don’t think Brunson is built like his dad. KAT and Mikal needs an old school pass first guard. That’s not JB. JB is a 4th quarter closer. KAT is our engine. And who the hell knows where Mikal fits but he’s in the same boat as OG. They spend their energy on both sides.

JB alone will not get us a ring! Going to need KAT and help Mikal get his head out of his own azz.

blkexec and I were locked in on da truth going back!

Yessiree, this is the way.

Go KAT, Go Knicks

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

Yeah, but we already have Precious who I think will do a better job defensively that both. It feels like this trade was made for the sake of making a trade..Towns is marginally better than Randle at best and I feel this is a lateral move. Probably a negative for us once you throw in Donte.

KAT fits positionally better and has better shooting metrics and better defensive stats. Same or worse attitude. Worse health history. It’s the right move, though I am sad it cost DDV and picks. He’s like a top 5 possible choices for C in a 4-1 offense or a 5 out.

Sad about DDV, but I approve.

@BlueKnickers.. if you gonna brag, the receipts you bring should be date-stamped. I think your comment is flawed - KAT doesn’t need a pass first PG. He is at his best as the heliocentric pass first center. His offense exerts so much gravitational force he bends the court around him. It creates shorter pathways for Brunson to travel to the hoop. Brunson should be KAT’s first option, but a down hill OG or Mikal are eFG superstars.

In any event, it’s great to be arguing why they are playing so well.

EwingsGlass wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

Yeah, but we already have Precious who I think will do a better job defensively that both. It feels like this trade was made for the sake of making a trade..Towns is marginally better than Randle at best and I feel this is a lateral move. Probably a negative for us once you throw in Donte.

KAT fits positionally better and has better shooting metrics and better defensive stats. Same or worse attitude. Worse health history. It’s the right move, though I am sad it cost DDV and picks. He’s like a top 5 possible choices for C in a 4-1 offense or a 5 out.

Sad about DDV, but I approve.

@BlueKnickers.. if you gonna brag, the receipts you bring should be date-stamped. I think your comment is flawed - KAT doesn’t need a pass first PG. He is at his best as the heliocentric pass first center. His offense exerts so much gravitational force he bends the court around him. It creates shorter pathways for Brunson to travel to the hoop. Brunson should be KAT’s first option, but a down hill OG or Mikal are eFG superstars.

In any event, it’s great to be arguing why they are playing so well.

Yes, you're exactly right, KAT doesn't need a pass first PG when you run more of the offense through KAT. That is the point after all. You could re-phrase it as more of the action should be initiated by KAT. Being first or second option in that context tends to matter less anyway.

But yes, Brunson is the first option anyway, but with KAT in passing mode the angles of attack explode wide open and Brunson can go as nuts as he wants with less ball usage. Everyone's going nuts. The whole thing is nuts. Everything you said is correct.

Not that it should matter that much, but feel free to ask blckexec if they show up to post, because him and I were active proponents of this adjustment during the regular season before it became a media talking point late in the season. That is why I mentioned them. Silly rabbit, receipts are for kids

Anyway, the only people who get to brag are Coach Brown and the players. I had my opinion, but they're the ones who get the glory not people like us in the peanut gallery

This has been very entertaining. Can't complain even if I had major frustrations earlier in the season

BlueKnickers wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

Yeah, but we already have Precious who I think will do a better job defensively that both. It feels like this trade was made for the sake of making a trade..Towns is marginally better than Randle at best and I feel this is a lateral move. Probably a negative for us once you throw in Donte.

KAT fits positionally better and has better shooting metrics and better defensive stats. Same or worse attitude. Worse health history. It’s the right move, though I am sad it cost DDV and picks. He’s like a top 5 possible choices for C in a 4-1 offense or a 5 out.

Sad about DDV, but I approve.

@BlueKnickers.. if you gonna brag, the receipts you bring should be date-stamped. I think your comment is flawed - KAT doesn’t need a pass first PG. He is at his best as the heliocentric pass first center. His offense exerts so much gravitational force he bends the court around him. It creates shorter pathways for Brunson to travel to the hoop. Brunson should be KAT’s first option, but a down hill OG or Mikal are eFG superstars.

In any event, it’s great to be arguing why they are playing so well.

Yes, you're exactly right, KAT doesn't need a pass first PG when you run more of the offense through KAT. That is the point after all. You could re-phrase it as more of the action should be initiated by KAT. Being first or second option in that context tends to matter less anyway.

But yes, Brunson is the first option anyway, but with KAT in passing mode the angles of attack explode wide open and Brunson can go as nuts as he wants with less ball usage. Everyone's going nuts. The whole thing is nuts. Everything you said is correct.

Not that it should matter that much, but feel free to ask blckexec if they show up to post, because him and I were active proponents of this adjustment during the regular season before it became a media talking point late in the season. That is why I mentioned them. Silly rabbit, receipts are for kids

Anyway, the only people who get to brag are Coach Brown and the players. I had my opinion, but they're the ones who get the glory not people like us in the peanut gallery

This has been very entertaining. Can't complain even if I had major frustrations earlier in the season

Um. Not going to mention me as a proponent of this play style? I am not upset, nah huh.Not even one bit. No sir Its not like I've been begging them to run backdoor and just regular cuts towards the middle while Towns feeds them....

Early in the season knicks started out storng and had great ball movement.
Then not,
Won the "Emerits Cup" and had a nice run.
Then not.

Why then? Why stop doing things that worked? Why is it as simple as a fan pleading to move the ball and yet no of the legions of coaches paid millions and millions spending hours and hours looking at it and yet the answer as simple as read9ng some of our esteemed contributors?

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

Yeah, but we already have Precious who I think will do a better job defensively that both. It feels like this trade was made for the sake of making a trade..Towns is marginally better than Randle at best and I feel this is a lateral move. Probably a negative for us once you throw in Donte.

KAT fits positionally better and has better shooting metrics and better defensive stats. Same or worse attitude. Worse health history. It’s the right move, though I am sad it cost DDV and picks. He’s like a top 5 possible choices for C in a 4-1 offense or a 5 out.

Sad about DDV, but I approve.

@BlueKnickers.. if you gonna brag, the receipts you bring should be date-stamped. I think your comment is flawed - KAT doesn’t need a pass first PG. He is at his best as the heliocentric pass first center. His offense exerts so much gravitational force he bends the court around him. It creates shorter pathways for Brunson to travel to the hoop. Brunson should be KAT’s first option, but a down hill OG or Mikal are eFG superstars.

In any event, it’s great to be arguing why they are playing so well.

Yes, you're exactly right, KAT doesn't need a pass first PG when you run more of the offense through KAT. That is the point after all. You could re-phrase it as more of the action should be initiated by KAT. Being first or second option in that context tends to matter less anyway.

But yes, Brunson is the first option anyway, but with KAT in passing mode the angles of attack explode wide open and Brunson can go as nuts as he wants with less ball usage. Everyone's going nuts. The whole thing is nuts. Everything you said is correct.

Not that it should matter that much, but feel free to ask blckexec if they show up to post, because him and I were active proponents of this adjustment during the regular season before it became a media talking point late in the season. That is why I mentioned them. Silly rabbit, receipts are for kids

Anyway, the only people who get to brag are Coach Brown and the players. I had my opinion, but they're the ones who get the glory not people like us in the peanut gallery

This has been very entertaining. Can't complain even if I had major frustrations earlier in the season

Um. Not going to mention me as a proponent of this play style? I am not upset, nah huh.Not even one bit. No sir Its not like I've been begging them to run backdoor and just regular cuts towards the middle while Towns feeds them....

RAMTOUR Said It Early On!

He saw it all clear as day!

BlueKnickers wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

Yeah, but we already have Precious who I think will do a better job defensively that both. It feels like this trade was made for the sake of making a trade..Towns is marginally better than Randle at best and I feel this is a lateral move. Probably a negative for us once you throw in Donte.

KAT fits positionally better and has better shooting metrics and better defensive stats. Same or worse attitude. Worse health history. It’s the right move, though I am sad it cost DDV and picks. He’s like a top 5 possible choices for C in a 4-1 offense or a 5 out.

Sad about DDV, but I approve.

@BlueKnickers.. if you gonna brag, the receipts you bring should be date-stamped. I think your comment is flawed - KAT doesn’t need a pass first PG. He is at his best as the heliocentric pass first center. His offense exerts so much gravitational force he bends the court around him. It creates shorter pathways for Brunson to travel to the hoop. Brunson should be KAT’s first option, but a down hill OG or Mikal are eFG superstars.

In any event, it’s great to be arguing why they are playing so well.

Yes, you're exactly right, KAT doesn't need a pass first PG when you run more of the offense through KAT. That is the point after all. You could re-phrase it as more of the action should be initiated by KAT. Being first or second option in that context tends to matter less anyway.

But yes, Brunson is the first option anyway, but with KAT in passing mode the angles of attack explode wide open and Brunson can go as nuts as he wants with less ball usage. Everyone's going nuts. The whole thing is nuts. Everything you said is correct.

Not that it should matter that much, but feel free to ask blckexec if they show up to post, because him and I were active proponents of this adjustment during the regular season before it became a media talking point late in the season. That is why I mentioned them. Silly rabbit, receipts are for kids

Anyway, the only people who get to brag are Coach Brown and the players. I had my opinion, but they're the ones who get the glory not people like us in the peanut gallery

This has been very entertaining. Can't complain even if I had major frustrations earlier in the season

Um. Not going to mention me as a proponent of this play style? I am not upset, nah huh.Not even one bit. No sir Its not like I've been begging them to run backdoor and just regular cuts towards the middle while Towns feeds them....

RAMTOUR Said It Early On!

He saw it all clear as day!

You were calling for it also. No Towns no Championship

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

BlueKnickers wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

jaydh wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Rookie wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years.

First Leon move I hate. Oh well.

Yeah I hate from a culture and fit standpoint. Towns isn't really center. They're planning to give up too much for what's essentially a swap of two flawed forwards.

I guess you could play Towns and Precious together. Towns spreads the floor on one end and gives you rim protection and rebounding on the other so those two theoretically should fit. The flexibility with Towns gives you more mix and match options. I’m starting to like the trade. He’s a year younger than Randle and has 3 years until his player option. Hello 2nd apron here we come atleast for now

Towns averaged .7 blocks a game last year.

how did that compare to randle?

That's not really the point. I'm pushing back on the idea that Towns solves the teams center issues. He doesn't really defend the rim.

He's a PF and will be when Mitch returns. He can prob fill in better at C than Randle would have.

Yeah, but we already have Precious who I think will do a better job defensively that both. It feels like this trade was made for the sake of making a trade..Towns is marginally better than Randle at best and I feel this is a lateral move. Probably a negative for us once you throw in Donte.

KAT fits positionally better and has better shooting metrics and better defensive stats. Same or worse attitude. Worse health history. It’s the right move, though I am sad it cost DDV and picks. He’s like a top 5 possible choices for C in a 4-1 offense or a 5 out.

Sad about DDV, but I approve.

@BlueKnickers.. if you gonna brag, the receipts you bring should be date-stamped. I think your comment is flawed - KAT doesn’t need a pass first PG. He is at his best as the heliocentric pass first center. His offense exerts so much gravitational force he bends the court around him. It creates shorter pathways for Brunson to travel to the hoop. Brunson should be KAT’s first option, but a down hill OG or Mikal are eFG superstars.

In any event, it’s great to be arguing why they are playing so well.

Yes, you're exactly right, KAT doesn't need a pass first PG when you run more of the offense through KAT. That is the point after all. You could re-phrase it as more of the action should be initiated by KAT. Being first or second option in that context tends to matter less anyway.

But yes, Brunson is the first option anyway, but with KAT in passing mode the angles of attack explode wide open and Brunson can go as nuts as he wants with less ball usage. Everyone's going nuts. The whole thing is nuts. Everything you said is correct.

Not that it should matter that much, but feel free to ask blckexec if they show up to post, because him and I were active proponents of this adjustment during the regular season before it became a media talking point late in the season. That is why I mentioned them. Silly rabbit, receipts are for kids

Anyway, the only people who get to brag are Coach Brown and the players. I had my opinion, but they're the ones who get the glory not people like us in the peanut gallery

This has been very entertaining. Can't complain even if I had major frustrations earlier in the season

Um. Not going to mention me as a proponent of this play style? I am not upset, nah huh.Not even one bit. No sir Its not like I've been begging them to run backdoor and just regular cuts towards the middle while Towns feeds them....

RAMTOUR Said It Early On!

He saw it all clear as day!

You were calling for it also. No Towns no Championship

KAT Power !!!!

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I have to admit after last year's playoffs vs Indy I would have never thought KAT would get anywhere close to what he's been able to do defensively. So happy to see he had more in him than many of us gave him credit for. One thing I don't know if why we haven't tried to go directly at Wemby much of the game. When OG took the ball inside, planted, dunked - it was glorious.

jskinny35 wrote:I have to admit after last year's playoffs vs Indy I would have never thought KAT would get anywhere close to what he's been able to do defensively. So happy to see he had more in him than many of us gave him credit for. One thing I don't know if why we haven't tried to go directly at Wemby much of the game. When OG took the ball inside, planted, dunked - it was glorious.

I think they'd like to get Wemby in foul trouble, but he does get lots of clean blocks at the rim so it's usually a calculated risk to go right at him.

Perhaps they could devise a play for that purpose using screens to delay Wemby's response and get him to reach at the rim attacker from a couple of feet further out to make him more prone to collecting a foul.

Today I was trying to figure out what was the bigger robbery for the Knicks: past his prime Starks and a couple throw ins for Sprewell in 1998 or Julius and DVD for KAT. It’s close.

Philc1 wrote:Today I was trying to figure out what was the bigger robbery for the Knicks: past his prime Starks and a couple throw ins for Sprewell in 1998 or Julius and DVD for KAT. It’s close.

In that case, I'd go with KAT.

Love Spree, but KAT is even more foundational to what is happening now.

KAT rocketing up the charts as a defensive force was perhaps unexpected, but when you combine that with his impact and efficiency on our offense he gives us two legit superstars with Brunson.

Spree was an All-Star once, but this is on another level these playoffs.

You could say 4 of our 5 starters are playing at All-Star levels. That's quite something, ain't it?

BlueKnickers wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Today I was trying to figure out what was the bigger robbery for the Knicks: past his prime Starks and a couple throw ins for Sprewell in 1998 or Julius and DVD for KAT. It’s close.

In that case, I'd go with KAT.

Love Spree, but KAT is even more foundational to what is happening now.

KAT rocketing up the charts as a defensive force was perhaps unexpected, but when you combine that with his impact and efficiency on our offense he gives us two legit superstars with Brunson.

Spree was an All-Star once, but this is on another level these playoffs.

You could say 4 of our 5 starters are playing at All-Star levels. That's quite something, ain't it?

I can’t believe Rose pulled it off. No disrespect to Randle but KAT is a superstar

Lets be honest, the KAT Trade is a hit now but some of you were heavy doubters and longing for DDV.
And....we were stinging from iHart's departure.

ANd here we are with KAT a star!

THe spree trade we do foget was a gamble. He had just been suspended for picking his coach up by the neck and a bit of a pain in the ass. Lets not forget he was kind of an enigma each season and broke his wrist not being upfront about it.

On court he waa freaking bargain!

I'll go with they both great trades. I'll say its better when Kat on a float down the canyon of heroes!

Nalod wrote:Lets be honest, the KAT Trade is a hit now but some of you were heavy doubters and longing for DDV.
And....we were stinging from iHart's departure.

ANd here we are with KAT a star!

THe spree trade we do foget was a gamble. He had just been suspended for picking his coach up by the neck and a bit of a pain in the ass. Lets not forget he was kind of an enigma each season and broke his wrist not being upfront about it.

On court he waa freaking bargain!

I'll go with they both great trades. I'll say its better when Kat on a float down the canyon of heroes!

Not me skippy. Go post screenshots from this thread of me saying the trade was bad I’ll give you a couple days.

Nalod wrote:Lets be honest, the KAT Trade is a hit now but some of you were heavy doubters and longing for DDV.
And....we were stinging from iHart's departure.

ANd here we are with KAT a star!

THe spree trade we do foget was a gamble. He had just been suspended for picking his coach up by the neck and a bit of a pain in the ass. Lets not forget he was kind of an enigma each season and broke his wrist not being upfront about it.

On court he waa freaking bargain!

I'll go with they both great trades. I'll say its better when Kat on a float down the canyon of heroes!

I thought it was a lateral move at the time. We healed some wounds and made others. It worked out great for us though. I wasn’t sad about losing Randle. I couldn’t stand him and he was way too soft for NY.