Anyone watching LA-Mia can see the value of Kwame Brown. He has the strength and foot speed to guard Shaq one-on-one.
Ben Wallace is living proof a few offensive moves can be learned. Kwame's defensive ability in the post is an invaluable tool.
Well, that's what everyone who got suckered into ponying up for this guy thought too. No thanks. His previous record speaks for itself.
Posted by nykshaknbake:
Well, that's what everyone who got suckered into ponying up for this guy thought too. No thanks. His previous record speaks for itself.
prior to LA he was on 1 team so I don't know where you're getting the everyone statement from. The Wiz put the savior label on him. Big difference between asking a guy to be the savior and asking him to go out and play solid post defense. He was the Wiz's no. 1 selection. Not living up to that in Washington matters nothing in his role now with LA.
but for the record his last healthy season in Was: 30mpg 11pts 7 rebs on 49% shooting. Sounds pretty decent for a 23 yr old pf/center on a short contract getting paid slightly above what Isiah paid for Jerome James.
[Edited by - McK1 on 12-25-2005 4:57 PM]
1) Well Wash used the #1 pick to get him..I'd say they got suckered.
2) Supposedly Phil thinks he's a pussy and he hasn't really proven himself this season, not being able to start over Chris Mihm.
3) Any plasyer that quits on his team in the playoffs b/c he wants to punch his own guards isn't anyone I want on my already soft as hell team.
4) Jerome James was a terrible signing. But that doesn't make Kwame Brown a diamond in the rough.
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nykshaknbake:
Well, that's what everyone who got suckered into ponying up for this guy thought too. No thanks. His previous record speaks for itself.
prior to LA he was on 1 team so I don't know where you're getting the everyone statement from. The Wiz put the savior label on him. Big difference between asking a guy to be the savior and asking him to go out and play solid post defense. He was the Wiz's no. 1 selection. Not living up to that in Washington matters nothing in his role now with LA.
but for the record his last healthy season in Was: 30mpg 11pts 7 rebs on 49% shooting. Sounds pretty decent for a 23 yr old pf/center on a short contract getting paid slightly above what Isiah paid for Jerome James.
[Edited by - McK1 on 12-25-2005 4:57 PM]
today vs the Heat:
Chris Mihm 9 minutes. season - 26 mpg.
Kwame Brown 26 minutes. season 25 mpg.
yeah Phil challenged him. Didn't stop him from believing he can do the job.
05-06 LAL 16 9 25.4 .444 .000 .429 2.2 3.7 5.9 .9 .50 .63 1.81 2.90 6.1
At 25 minutes and 6 & 6 for the season you'll understand if I'm not drooling over the guy.
Posted by McK1:
today vs the Heat:
Chris Mihm 9 minutes. season - 26 mpg.
Kwame Brown 26 minutes. season 25 mpg.
yeah Phil challenged him. Didn't stop him from believing he can do the job.
Posted by McK1:
today vs the Heat:
Chris Mihm 9 minutes. season - 26 mpg.
Kwame Brown 26 minutes. season 25 mpg.
yeah Phil challenged him. Didn't stop him from believing he can do the job.
i wanted Kwame this offseason. he probably would have been a better fit for Browns system rather than Curry, but i'm just happy we have a real center to build around.
Posted by nykshaknbake:
05-06 LAL 16 9 25.4 .444 .000 .429 2.2 3.7 5.9 .9 .50 .63 1.81 2.90 6.1
At 25 minutes and 6 & 6 for the season you'll understand if I'm not drooling over the guy.
Posted by McK1:
today vs the Heat:
Chris Mihm 9 minutes. season - 26 mpg.
Kwame Brown 26 minutes. season 25 mpg.
yeah Phil challenged him. Didn't stop him from believing he can do the job.
post defense. he is valuable b/c of his ability to defend almost every big man in the league 1-on-1. he is not going to boost your ratings in the fantasy league. If thats what you are basing your judgement on then yeah he is of absolutely no use.
[Edited by - McK1 on 12-25-2005 5:28 PM]
Posted by jaydh:
i wanted Kwame this offseason. he probably would have been a better fit for Browns system rather than Curry,
exactly
kwame will always be a complentary player...
See my previous posts. The guy is a cancer w/o any heart. Anyway, I don't think the Wiz were great at D when he was there.
Posted by McK1:
Posted by nykshaknbake:
05-06 LAL 16 9 25.4 .444 .000 .429 2.2 3.7 5.9 .9 .50 .63 1.81 2.90 6.1
At 25 minutes and 6 & 6 for the season you'll understand if I'm not drooling over the guy.
Posted by McK1:
today vs the Heat:
Chris Mihm 9 minutes. season - 26 mpg.
Kwame Brown 26 minutes. season 25 mpg.
yeah Phil challenged him. Didn't stop him from believing he can do the job.
post defense. he is valuable b/c of his ability to defend almost every big man in the league 1-on-1. he is not going to boost your ratings in the fantasy league. If thats what you are basing your judgement on then yeah he is of absolutely no use.
[Edited by - McK1 on 12-25-2005 5:28 PM]
Posted by bobs3304:
kwame will always be a complentary player...
sometimes thats all you need
Posted by nykshaknbake:
See my previous posts. The guy is a cancer w/o any heart. Anyway, I don't think the Wiz were great at D when he was there.
yea, but since when have the Wizards ever played D. I think thats more of a coaching thing.
Kwame Brown is a soft, no offense, no heart, no fire, no use piece of crap. He can guard shaq about as well as nate robinson can. mentioning him and ben wallace in the same sentence is highly demeaning to him, and if I were wallace I would be at your house to open up a can of whupass on you.
See my previous posts. The guy is a cancer w/o any heart. Anyway, I don't think the Wiz were great at D when he was there.
kwame cancer?.....at least kwame performs in a system committed to winning. some coaches do make an attempt regardless who the player is.
Posted by firefly:
Kwame Brown is a soft, no offense, no heart, no fire, no use piece of crap. He can guard shaq about as well as nate robinson can. mentioning him and ben wallace in the same sentence is highly demeaning to him, and if I were wallace I would be at your house to open up a can of whupass on you.
wrestling forum that way --------->
appreciate the directions. doesn't change my view on kwame though. too soft mentally for this game. jordan or no jordan, kwame just does not have what it takes.
Kwame Brown
Los Angeles Lakers
Position: F-C
Height: 6-11 Weight: 248
High School : Glynn Academy HS (GA)
Player file | Team stats
2005-06 Statistics
PPG 6.1
RPG 5.9
APG .9
SPG .50
BPG .63
FG% .444
FT% .429
3P% .000
MPG 25.4
Eddy Curry
New York Knicks
Position: C-F
Height: 6-11 Weight: 285
High School : Thornwood HS (IL)
Player file | Team stats
2005-06 Statistics
PPG 13.0
RPG 5.9
APG .3
SPG .50
BPG 1.13
FG% .546
FT% .611
3P% .000
MPG 24.6
The numbers are not even close, and Curry isn't even in game shape yet.
Kwame has 3 double digit games scoring and 1 in rebounding. I think I'll take Curry over Kwame's bum ass, although I will admit I wanted him over the summer. Curry is a far superior player compared to Kwame.
Curry's problem is staying on the court.
while both players are defined by the "p" word, jackson calling kwame a pussie and curry's so called potential with marginal stats does not make curry the overwhelming favorite. eventhough the differences between the 2 are night and day, kwame may have the upper hand in the long run. dont be fooled by curry's stats. curry being out of shape is no excuse and his stats are not indicative of the "p" word. this article should remind us the direction curry is heading and hopefully brown can reverse the short comings.
By Bob Chaikin, 82games.com, Special to SI.com
In the past 28 years -- since the league started tracking turnovers in the 1977-78 season -- fewer than four percent of the players who have clocked at least 1,000 minutes did so with a turnover rate of 12 percent or higher. Of those performances, only once did a player average 20 points a game; only five times did a player average more 17 points a game. And only five times did such a player average 35 minutes a game in a season. In other words the statistical history of the league shows that that high of rate of turnovers limits the ability of players to be productive through scoring.
Also, history shows there hasn't been a single player whose turnover rate was as high as Curry's who was able to reduce that rate in later seasons (down to, say, 8 percent). For example, Shaquille O'Neal chalked up a turnover rate of 10 percent as a rookie, but by the end of his second season, he had brought his turnover rate down to six percent, or one for every 16-17 touches, a figure he has maintained ever since. (For comparison, a typical point guard commits turnovers at the rate of 5 percent, or 1 for every 20 touches.) Alonzo Mourning, on the other hand, turned the ball over at a rate of between nine and 11 percent his first four seasons in the league and was never able to significantly reduce that figure. Unlike many others, though, Mourning was a consistent 20-points-per-game scorer despite the high rate of turnovers, a function of his being a better rebounder, defender and shot blocker than Curry has been to date. So it stands to reason that if Curry cannot reduce his turnovers in the future, his effectiveness as a player, particularly as a scorer, will be limited, especially if the other facets of his game remain the same.
Another trend Curry's stats reveal is that both his rebounding rate and his shot-blocking rate have decreased each season he has been in the league, a disturbing trend. Last year, Curry averaged only nine rebounds per 48 minutes and only 1.5 blocked shots per 48 minutes of play. These are poor numbers for a starting center in the league, let alone a 6-foot-11, 285-pound center. Although his field-goal defense (http://www.82games.com/04CHI14C.HTM) made opposing centers shoot five percent worse against the Bulls than against other teams, on average, Curry's poor defensive rebounding, subpar shot blocking makes for an overall poor defensive presence in the middle.
Additionally, in spite of Curry's supposed offensive gifts, the number of touches he gets has not increased, but leveled off at between 0.75 - 0.80 per minute. Historically speaking, players who see significant playing time early in their careers tend to get more touches per minute over their first three or four seasons in the league, only to level off after their fourth season, prior to a decline due to age. Amaré Stoudemire's touches/min. his first three seasons were 0.73, 0.93 and 1.03; for Kevin Garnett they were 0.77, 0.95 and 1.25; and for Shaq, 0.95, 1.08, and 1.25. In each of these cases the increase in touches/min was accompanied by a decrease in turnovers per touch.
This has not happened with Curry. He has yet to receive more than .80 touches/min., and over the past 28 seasons in the NBA you can count on both hands the number of players with touches/min. no higher than .80 who have scored more than 20 ppg in a season. Curry is still young enough to buck the trend, but the historical record doesn't bode well. Will it be worth $60 million to find out?
