Joe Torre turned down a Yankees offer for a 1 year deal with an option.
Yankees are moving forward.
Posted by islesfan:
Joe Torre turned down a Yankees offer for a 1 year deal with an option.
Yankees are moving forward.
Good for him.
Are we in full rebuild mode now? What are we gonna do with A-Rod, Mariano, Posada and so and so now? Looks like either Mattingly or Girardi will be the coach and I much prefer Girardi and keep Mattingly as the bench coach.
I think this is good for the Yankees. They don't look like the bad guy for not bringing Torre back. I think Posada and Mariano come back, since they can't hold it against the Yankees for not bringing Torre back.
I don't think Torre coming back is an issue for ARod.
The Yankees are already rebuilding with all the kids on the pitching staff, Cano and Cabrera in their lineup with more changes coming after next year when several big contracts come off the books. I wouldn't mind Girardi being manager. I don't think he'll have the same problems with the Yankees ownership and management as he did in Floriday.
Good news. Its time to move on.
With the opportunity that the Yankees gave him, he was a retread manager and now he's a sure fire Hall of Famer, I think it's a shame he turned their offer down.
That offer still made him a the highest paid manager in baseball, by far. Whatever treatment Torre thinks he had to deal with, the Yankees gave him more than he could ever dreamed of. Taking a paycut of $2M, with some bonuses which are right there for the taking, shouldn't have been a big enough deal to turn down their offer.
Posted by islesfan:
With the opportunity that the Yankees gave him, he was a retread manager and now he's a sure fire Hall of Famer, I think it's a shame he turned their offer down.
That offer still made him a the highest paid manager in baseball, by far. Whatever treatment Torre thinks he had to deal with, the Yankees gave him more than he could ever dreamed of. Taking a paycut of $2M, with some bonuses which are right there for the taking, shouldn't have been a big enough deal to turn down their offer.
Maybe he just felt ready to retire. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
With the opportunity that the Yankees gave him, he was a retread manager and now he's a sure fire Hall of Famer, I think it's a shame he turned their offer down.
That offer still made him a the highest paid manager in baseball, by far. Whatever treatment Torre thinks he had to deal with, the Yankees gave him more than he could ever dreamed of. Taking a paycut of $2M, with some bonuses which are right there for the taking, shouldn't have been a big enough deal to turn down their offer.
Maybe he just felt ready to retire. Nothing wrong with that.
That's fair. If that's the case then more power to him. But there's nothing that we've heard to suggest that.
While I agree with about how Joe was a retread manager and that the Yankees gave him more than he could have ever imagined, it's just the principle of the whole thing that I dislike. George dug his own grave for Torre to turn them down, by saying Joe wouldn't be brought back if they lost to the Indians and when players such as Posada, Rivera, Pettitte all said their decisions hinge on Joe's future and Mattingly said he wasn't ready to manage, it was obvious the Yankees had no choice but to beg and bring Joe back.
If they offered him a regular contract, I believe Torre would have taken it, but this performance-based contract is absolutely no way to treat a manager who has won 4 World Series in 12 years, no matter what he was or wasn't before he came to the Yankees because what he did with the Yankees warranted treatment better than this. And I say good for Joe. George Steinbrenner has fired his last manager. It's what he wanted all along anyway.
Good luck to Joe if he thinks he'll get another salary like that.
How did they treat him? He was paid twice as much as the next highest paid manager because of what he did 7 years ago. Why is it such a bad thing that the Yankees ask him to take a little less, while still easily being the highest paid manager in baseball, since they've disappointed the last 3 years.
the yankees probably told him they didnt want him back, but instead of firing him this would look better for both sides. it looks like torre left on his own terms, and the yankees dont look like they fired him after all these years.
as a met fan, I'd give torre a chance- perhaps we can offer him some special assignments job- advisor- anything to stick it to george.
did anyone ask joe if he wanted to come back? I'm thinking he might not have wanted to.
I think the Yankees need to go through some rebuilding- bring in some youth- no more roger clemons & guy's old enough for social security.
And remind A Rod on his way to the LA Angels that CA is one of the higher tax states out there.
He was never that good. Terrible in game manager, good club house manager. Refuses to play small ball and waits for the Homerun much to much, he forgot what got him the championships. That last game vs. Cleveland I went to left me baffled beyond belief. Torre needed to go, he was more the product of the team being down right loaded. Good move by the Yankees and contrary to what others say they did their due diligence and made a sound decision.
Posted by Vmart:
He was never that good. Terrible in game manager, good club house manager. Refuses to play small ball and waits for the Homerun much to much, he forgot what got him the championships. That last game vs. Cleveland I went to left me baffled beyond belief. Torre needed to go, he was more the product of the team being down right loaded. Good move by the Yankees and contrary to what others say they did their due diligence and made a sound decision.
I don't disagree. But I do give him a lot more credit for what they won under him.
Lately he just seemed to lose his touch and seemed to be living off his past and the team's talent. They need someone new to push button and stop the complacency that has infested the team. The team always seems to wait for something to happen because of their talent instead of going out and taking it. That's why younger and hungrier teams always seem to beat them in the playoffs. The D'Backs, Marlins, Angels, the Tigers and now the Indians. I think change will be good.
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
With the opportunity that the Yankees gave him, he was a retread manager and now he's a sure fire Hall of Famer, I think it's a shame he turned their offer down.
That offer still made him a the highest paid manager in baseball, by far. Whatever treatment Torre thinks he had to deal with, the Yankees gave him more than he could ever dreamed of. Taking a paycut of $2M, with some bonuses which are right there for the taking, shouldn't have been a big enough deal to turn down their offer.
Maybe he just felt ready to retire. Nothing wrong with that.
That's fair. If that's the case then more power to him. But there's nothing that we've heard to suggest that.
We haven't heard anything about his thoughts.
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:
He was never that good. Terrible in game manager, good club house manager. Refuses to play small ball and waits for the Homerun much to much, he forgot what got him the championships. That last game vs. Cleveland I went to left me baffled beyond belief. Torre needed to go, he was more the product of the team being down right loaded. Good move by the Yankees and contrary to what others say they did their due diligence and made a sound decision.
I don't disagree. But I do give him a lot more credit for what they won under him.
Lately he just seemed to lose his touch and seemed to be living off his past and the team's talent. They need someone new to push button and stop the complacency that has infested the team. The team always seems to wait for something to happen because of their talent instead of going out and taking it. That's why younger and hungrier teams always seem to beat them in the playoffs. The D'Backs, Marlins, Angels, the Tigers and now the Indians. I think change will be good.
You are right Torre waited for things to happen instead of making things happen in the playoffs.
Posted by Vmart:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Vmart:
He was never that good. Terrible in game manager, good club house manager. Refuses to play small ball and waits for the Homerun much to much, he forgot what got him the championships. That last game vs. Cleveland I went to left me baffled beyond belief. Torre needed to go, he was more the product of the team being down right loaded. Good move by the Yankees and contrary to what others say they did their due diligence and made a sound decision.
I don't disagree. But I do give him a lot more credit for what they won under him.
Lately he just seemed to lose his touch and seemed to be living off his past and the team's talent. They need someone new to push button and stop the complacency that has infested the team. The team always seems to wait for something to happen because of their talent instead of going out and taking it. That's why younger and hungrier teams always seem to beat them in the playoffs. The D'Backs, Marlins, Angels, the Tigers and now the Indians. I think change will be good.
You are right Torre waited for things to happen instead of making things happen in the playoffs.
I think its unfair to criticize torre for not playing small ball- he doesn't have a team of small ball players. what did a rod & jeter hit in the series?
I honestly thought the yankees would do well- they got into a winning mode at the right time of the year, put together a nice streak.
But I will say this- when chamberlain got unnerved by the bugs- torre should have gotten someone else in their- I think that was the moment that cleveland said 'we're better than the yankees' we can win'.
I think to some extent, the yankees have been unlucky- getting to the play offs and running into another team that got hot- and look at cleveland & colorado- a bunch of young, hungry players who want to win.
There are some great players on the yankee roster- but I don't think they have enough guys that are hungry. Plenty are clutch, but not enough are truly hungry. Blame Cashman and George for not developing enough young talent and starphuching.
Posted by islesfan:
Joe Torre turned down a Yankees offer for a 1 year deal with an option.
Yankees are moving forward.
excellent, now for Rivera and Posada to follow.
Posted by kam77:
Good luck to Joe if he thinks he'll get another salary like that.
thats not it at all...he's tired of the abuse.
