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4949@ 10/21/2007 5:23 PM
The history of the 50 plus home run club
1920 Babe Ruth, NYY – 54 1921 Babe Ruth, NYY – 59 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 Babe Ruth, NYY – 60 1928 Babe Ruth, NYY – 54 1929 1930 Hack Wilson, CHI – 56 1931 1932 Jimmie Foxx, PHI – 58 1933 1934 1935 1936 1937 1938 Jimmie Foxx, BOS R.S. – 50 Hank Greenberg, DET – 58 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947 Ralph Kiner, PIT – 51 Johnny Mize, NYG – 51 1948 1949 Ralph Kiner, PIT – 54 1950 1951 1952 1953 1954 1955 Willie Mays, NYG – 51 1956 Mickey Mantle, NYY – 52 1957 1958 1959 1960 1961 Roger Maris, NYY – 61 Mickey Mantle, NYY – 54 1962 1963 1964 1965 Willie Mays, SF – 52 1966 1967 1968 1969 1970 1971 1972 1973 1974 1975 1976 1977 George Foster, CIN – 52 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989 1990 Cecil Fielder, DET – 51 1991 1992 1993 1994 – BASEBALL STRIKE 1995 Albert Bell, CLE – 50 1996 Brady Anderson, BAL – 50 Mark McGuire, OAK – 52 1997 Ken Griffey Jr., SEA – 56 1998 Mark McGuire, STL – 70 Ken Griffey Jr., SEA – 56 Sammy Sosa, CHI – 66 Greg Vaughn, SD – 50 1999 Mark McGuire, STL – 65 Sammy Sosa, CHI – 63 2000 Sammy Sosa, CHI – 50 2001 Barry Bonds, SF – 73 Alex Rodriguez, TEX – 52 Sammy Sosa, CHI – 64 Luis Gonzalez, ARZ – 57 2002 Alex Rodriguez, TEX – 57 Jim Thome, CLE – 52 PROBES, ON-GOING INVESTIGATIONS & INDICTMENTS BEGIN 2003 2004 2005 Andrew Jones, ATL – 51 2006 Ryan Howard, PHI – 58 David Ortiz, BOS – 54 2007 Alex Rodriguez, NYY – 54 Prince Fielder, MIL – 50
SIGNIFICANCE? From 1920 to 1990, a 70 year span, the 50 or better home run mark was reached 18 times, by 11 different players. From 1995 to 2007, a 13 year span, the 50 or better home run mark was reached 22 times, by 14 different players.
Over a 78 year span, only two men ever reached the 60 home run plateau. But within a four year period (1998 to 2001) it was reached 6 times. One man reached the 60 mark 3 times, during this period!
No one got close to the 70 home run mark, not until 78 years later. Two men hit the mark 4 years apart (1998 to 2001).
From 1920 to 1990, a 70 year span, the 50 or better home run mark was reached by two men in the same year – 3 times. But from 1996 to 2007, an 11 year span, it was reached by two men in the same year – 5 times, and by four' men – 2 times. A grand total of seven times, with at least two men.
I'm sure bonds doped it up, but unlike the average zealot who believes he should be tarred and feathered, I see the big picture.
Doping saved baseball and brought the fans back. There are guys who have been doping it since the 1950's. In bonds case, he doped it and also could hit. Lethal combo.
I would never advocate this, but snitch Barry Bonds. In this case tell on everybody you can and retire and tell baseball to jump off. Your stats will be nullified and you will be banned from the game.
Johnny Cochrane died a few years to early.
4949@ 11/17/2007 3:56 PM
I'm not exactly sure what your talking about, but first of all, to say that doping saved baseball is like saying drugs being sold in the ghetto helps business people become successful. The fans are idiots, for the most part because they hate NY and would like to see anything done to undermind and dethrown NY of a city of champions. Yes' it's that idiotic!!! But there is a an underlining in all of this. I'll give you some facts about doping. When you say dopings been going on since the 50's what you mean is it has been going on in body building, maybe football and wrestling. It became serious in body building first of all. In the 60's, football players started doing it. And then later with wrestlers. You can go and look at all of the before and after photos of these sports and clearly see fat vs. tone. Steroids are traced all the way back to the 30's, as used in the growth of cattle, because science called for solutions to feed the public. There's really a whole other story behind steroids, but I'm going to stick to the sport. Baseball players did not serioiusly start using them, not until the early 90's. I remember a few huge hunks on the front cover of SI, with two Cincinnati Reds on the front cover, flexing the muscle. That was the first time I seen muscle like that in baseball. I wondered how these guys got so big, but I didn't think about what it was at the time. It's not like baseball didn't have huge men swinging the bat over the years. If you remember Greg Luzinski, that guy was built like a bull, but he didn't put up atronomical numbers like they do today. He was just a naturally big guy, who worked out. It is possible to become this big, over a period of time, with a certain regiment of diet and work out. Look at Pasada. He's earned his muscles and nothing unusual about his numbers either. There is no question that Bonds can hit. These guys are trained to hit the ball. The question is 'what happens to the ball after' he hits it, is what the question has been with these guys'. It's an unfair advantage to the major leaguers who played the game over the years and set the standards. And if this is about a black mans record being tainted, then I will defend Hank Aaron. Hank was one of the most steady players in the game you could ever see. He accumillated all of his home runs on a steady diet of consistency. Hank never hit more than 47 home runs in his career. That shows how consistent he was. Babe Ruth got most of his home runs in monster years and had some of the skinniest legs a baseball player could have. Doping just wasn't in the vocabulary back then. And take a close look at the list I put in the very front. I remember when baseball was in it's last strike, the fans warned them and baseball needed a boost. You can clearly see a sharp contrast in a players physical appearance, before and after. The record setting home runs reflect that. You almost don't even need hard proof to see what's been going on all this time.
And here's another stat I want to share with you guys. You remember the wrestler who recently killed his family and then himself? The side affects can be serious. I read in the Wall Street Journal a few years back about how Burt Hooten's nephew hung himself, and they learned that he was doping. Approximately 100 teenagers kill themselves or die from steroid use every year. So you can see how serious this is and it's not just about baseball, or Marion Jones, or Giambi or any other athlete. Kids do what Athletes do and that's why it is important to set an example. I for one do not believe in doping to get an edge on someone else, especially when it comes to major records and I especially don't believe in it, because of the suicidal consequences it can potentially have on the public. And I myself won't let anyone advocate or defend this problem in anyway. That's the way I feel about it.
[Edited by - 4949 on 11-17-2007 3:58 PM]
4949@ 11/18/2007 12:00 PM
On a moral issue, the use of steroids means one thing. But on a social issue (your view), the issue of steroids depends on the color of your skin. What a fuck'n mess!!!
I want to make one thing clear here. I am for going after everyone who ever used steroids in baseball. I don't want anyone thinking I'm just picking on Bonds.
playa2@ 11/18/2007 4:03 PM
So why don't the media feel the same way as you.
marion jones+ barry bonds they choose two people of color to stick out front. Say what you want but the media is slanted on who's image they choose to destroy .
4949@ 11/18/2007 4:54 PM
Because I'm not the media. I'm reading what is supposed to be facts and that's all how I can view it as at this time. How' they report it is up to them. And if someone doesn't like the way they report it, then they should be questioning them. But I don't see anything different in the criticism that hasn't already been done to others, black, white or brown. I could make a list if you want? Don't get me wrong either, because I know a lot of people out there are loving this. It gives them a chance to beat up on someone they hate otherwise. I understand your position on it. It's not the same position I take, but I understand why you would question it. Why Bonds and Jones have been on the front cover is because they have been very high profile. It's true and yes, some will put them there, again, to have a chance to beat up on them. Every high profile person who's ever gotten into a jam as been on the front cover. Not just black people.
Maybe you should ask yourself if Bonds really did' lie to a grand jury. Have you? Or do you care? Peope have' gone to jail for it you know. I'd want to know. I'm a big Yankees fan and if any of my guys did it, I want to know. I'm surprised that Giambi is still on this team. I wanted this shit gone long ago. But then again, he did' get a sweet deal for talking to Mitchell's, right? You do' have to wonder if someone like Sosa or Sheffield would have gotten the same deal? This ain't over yet, so we'll see what happens. Until then, I want heads. And the ultimate fact is from now on, Bonds has a cloud hanging over him, whether there's any solid proof or not. Look at the list in the front and give me a logical reason why all the home runs all the sudden? I'd love to hear why this has been happening all the sudden, after decades gone by? That alone is troublesome to me. For me, baseball is about 'team sports'. And those who try to hurt it.
Along with the report is going to come 'denial'. They said it right. 'Baseball is an outlaw sport'. Babe Ruth is turning in his grave and Hank Aaron is turning in his bed. Shame, shame. If some of the Boston Red Sox are convicted in this report, then you know it's as honest as it can be. We'll see what happen by next Thursday.
