Off Topic · What Will Happen in the USA When Martial Law is Permitted (page 4)

Just wait and see, we as a nation are like the frog in the pot of water with the fire underneath him. He keeps shuffling side to side thinking it's just a sauna.

So if these things don't come to pass by the 1st year of the next presidency will you admit that is you who are blind and don't really know what's really happening behind the scenes?

Posted by playa2:

Just wait and see, we as a nation are like the frog in the pot of water with the fire underneath him. He keeps shuffling side to side thinking it's just a sauna.

Posted by playa2:

Just wait and see, we as a nation are like the frog in the pot of water with the fire underneath him. He keeps shuffling side to side thinking it's just a sauna.

Like I said before, if what you are saying is true, then we are screwed anyway, right playa?

Posted by nykshaknbake:

So if these things don't come to pass by the 1st year of the next presidency will you admit that is you who are blind and don't really know what's really happening behind the scenes?

Posted by playa2:

Just wait and see, we as a nation are like the frog in the pot of water with the fire underneath him. He keeps shuffling side to side thinking it's just a sauna.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Congressman Ron Paul fears that a staged incident exploited as a pretext to attack Iran may be the precursor to a national draft, as he responded to Sy Hersh’s astounding report that Dick Cheney proposed faking a Gulf of Tonkin style incident by killing Americans in the Straits of Hormuz and blaming it on Iran.

“The influence is still there that they want it to happen, they probably themselves don’t have a day set to do it but they’re waiting for an opportunity and something will come along,” Paul told the Alex Jones Show.

“They’re capable of doing anything,” said Paul, refering to the consideration unveiled in the Downing Street Memo, where Bush and Blair discussed painting a U2 spy plane in UN colors and goading Saddam to have it shot down as a pretext to invade Iraq.

Asked about Cheney’s proposal to kill Americans as part of a false flag attack to be blamed on Iran, Paul responded, “The sad part is a lot of people won’t be surprised….it’s tragic, it’s sad, all we have to do is have one our ships hit and a bunch of Americans killed and one or two news stations say it was the Iranians and the country’s going to be ready to go to war, they’d even be willing to call a draft to say we have to go to save Israel, we have to march in, so we need a draft - that’s the worst part that I fear,” said the Congressman.

Back in January 2007, Paul voiced his fears on the House floor of a “contrived Gulf of Tonkin style incident that may well occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.”

During an appearance on the Alex Jones Show last month, Congressman Paul said that a strike on Iran has already been green lighted, judging from what his contacts in and around Congress were telling him.

“It is still totally bewildering to me when I see men and women in the Congress that I know and like doing this just to get along. Most of them will say “I agree with you on all you say but the Iranians are bad people and they might attack us some day… I hear members of Congress saying ‘if we could only nuke them’,” said Paul.

asked you a simple question...yes or no?

Posted by playa2:

Posted by nykshaknbake:

So if these things don't come to pass by the 1st year of the next presidency will you admit that is you who are blind and don't really know what's really happening behind the scenes?

Posted by playa2:

Just wait and see, we as a nation are like the frog in the pot of water with the fire underneath him. He keeps shuffling side to side thinking it's just a sauna.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008

Congressman Ron Paul fears that a staged incident exploited as a pretext to attack Iran may be the precursor to a national draft, as he responded to Sy Hersh’s astounding report that Dick Cheney proposed faking a Gulf of Tonkin style incident by killing Americans in the Straits of Hormuz and blaming it on Iran.

“The influence is still there that they want it to happen, they probably themselves don’t have a day set to do it but they’re waiting for an opportunity and something will come along,” Paul told the Alex Jones Show.

“They’re capable of doing anything,” said Paul, refering to the consideration unveiled in the Downing Street Memo, where Bush and Blair discussed painting a U2 spy plane in UN colors and goading Saddam to have it shot down as a pretext to invade Iraq.

Asked about Cheney’s proposal to kill Americans as part of a false flag attack to be blamed on Iran, Paul responded, “The sad part is a lot of people won’t be surprised….it’s tragic, it’s sad, all we have to do is have one our ships hit and a bunch of Americans killed and one or two news stations say it was the Iranians and the country’s going to be ready to go to war, they’d even be willing to call a draft to say we have to go to save Israel, we have to march in, so we need a draft - that’s the worst part that I fear,” said the Congressman.

Back in January 2007, Paul voiced his fears on the House floor of a “contrived Gulf of Tonkin style incident that may well occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.”

During an appearance on the Alex Jones Show last month, Congressman Paul said that a strike on Iran has already been green lighted, judging from what his contacts in and around Congress were telling him.

“It is still totally bewildering to me when I see men and women in the Congress that I know and like doing this just to get along. Most of them will say “I agree with you on all you say but the Iranians are bad people and they might attack us some day… I hear members of Congress saying ‘if we could only nuke them’,” said Paul.

what happened this article made you back up a bit man.

Just keeping it real.

No backing up..just that it's constant with this crap..just wanted to see if you are above accountability when things don't play out for ya.

Posted by playa2:

what happened this article made you back up a bit man.

Just keeping it real.

Posted by nykshaknbake:

So if these things don't come to pass by the 1st year of the next presidency will you admit that is you who are blind and don't really know what's really happening behind the scenes?

What I am telling you is there has been a misleading of the american people all for a bigger agenda that the avg american is not even thinking about.

Why I try and do is make you all aware that things diffently aren't what they appear to be whether media or the govt talking heads.

I do believe if the election is real and Obama wins depending on his running mate he will be removed by assasination of some sort.

If mccain wins it will be business as usual .

But I believe bush is the one that started this gravy train and I can't see him giving this up before it's finished, therefore I can see another disaster happening in our country real soon.

Am I gonna go out on a limb and try to be a prophet or something ...no

but I know the neo-cons in this country that has started the pendulum swinging in their favor meaning most likely bush wants to finish what he has started with his fake fear propaganda to bring the american people to their knees. He wants to bring martial law so that he can carry out the wishes of the ones who calls the shots in this country and around the world.... thus seting the stage for the euro to become norm in currency and eventually to bring in the new world order.

I don't know how to make it simpler for you...


if these dire disasters don't come true will you admit you are full of crap? YES or NO....just answer the damn question.

Posted by playa2:

Posted by nykshaknbake:

So if these things don't come to pass by the 1st year of the next presidency will you admit that is you who are blind and don't really know what's really happening behind the scenes?

What I am telling you is there has been a misleading of the american people all for a bigger agenda that the avg american is not even thinking about.

Why I try and do is make you all aware that things diffently aren't what they appear to be whether media or the govt talking heads.

I do believe if the election is real and Obama wins depending on his running mate he will be removed by assasination of some sort.

If mccain wins it will be business as usual .

But I believe bush is the one that started this gravy train and I can't see him giving this up before it's finished, therefore I can see another disaster happening in our country real soon.

Am I gonna go out on a limb and try to be a prophet or something ...no

but I know the neo-cons in this country that has started the pendulum swinging in their favor meaning most likely bush wants to finish what he has started with his fake fear propaganda to bring the american people to their knees. He wants to bring martial law so that he can carry out the wishes of the ones who calls the shots in this country and around the world.... thus seting the stage for the euro to become norm in currency and eventually to bring in the new world order.

I won't call myself full of crap, I would say that I was wrong.

The problem I had with you're original question is that you giving a timeline on when it's gonna happen.

Even the neo-cons don't know and are waiting for the perfect time.

The problem with that is you are going to say that indefinetely. If not in the next 10 years, then maybe the next 20 and so on. You have stated that you thought GWB was gonna pull something, before her stepped down in order to stay in power...do you stand by your statements or are you merely a conduit from looney toons sites to UltimateKnicks?

Posted by playa2:


I won't call myself full of crap, I would say that I was wrong.

The problem I had with you're original question is that you giving a timeline on when it's gonna happen.

Even the neo-cons don't know and are waiting for the perfect time.

Martial Law Threat is Real

The looming collapse of the U.S. military in Iraq, of which a number of generals and former generals, including former Chief of Staff Colin Powell, have warned, is happening none too soon, as it may be the best hope for preventing military rule here at home.

From the looks of things, the Bush/Cheney regime has been working assiduously to pave the way for a declaration of military rule, such that at this point it really lacks only the pretext to trigger a suspension of Constitutional government. They have done this with the active support of Democrats in Congress, though most of the heavy lifting was done by the last, Republican-led Congress.

The first step, or course, was the first Authorization for Use of Military Force, passed in September 2001, which the president has subsequently used to claim -- improperly, but so what -- that the whole world, including the U.S., is a battlefield in a so-called "War" on Terror, and that he has extra-Constitutional unitary executive powers to ignore laws passed by Congress. As constitutional scholar and former Reagan-era associate deputy attorney general Bruce Fein observes, that one claim, that the U.S. is itself a battlefield, is enough to allow this or some future president to declare martial law, "since you can always declare martial law on a battlefield. All he'd need would be a pretext, like another terrorist attack inside the U.S."

The 2001 AUMF was followed by the PATRIOT Act, passed in October 2001, which undermined much of the Bill of Rights. Around the same time, the president began a campaign of massive spying on Americans by the National Security Agency, conducted without any warrants or other judicial review. It was and remains a program clearly aimed at American dissidents and at the Administration's political opponents, since the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court would never have raised any objections to spying on potential terrorists. (It, and other government spying programs, have resulted in the government having a list now of some 325,000 "suspected terrorists"!)

The other thing we saw early on was the establishment of an underground government within a government, though the activation, following 9-11, of the so-called "Continuity of Government" protocol, which saw heads of federal agencies moved secretly to an underground bunker where, working under the direction of Vice President Dick Cheney, the "government" functioned out of sight of Congress and the public for critical months.

It was also during the first year following 9-11 that the Bush/Cheney regime began its programs of arrest and detention without charge -- mostly of resident aliens, but also of American citizens -- and of kidnapping and torture in a chain of gulag prisons overseas and at the Navy base at Guantanamo Bay.

The following year, Attorney General John Ashcroft began his program to develop a mass network of tens of millions of citizen spies -- Operation TIPS. That program, which had considerable support from key Democrats (notably Sen. Joe Lieberman), was curtailed by Congress when key conservatives got wind of the scale of the thing, but the concept survives without a name, and is reportedly being expanded today.

Meanwhile, last October Bush and Cheney, with the help of a compliant Congress, put in place some key elements needed for a military putsch. There was the overturning of the venerable Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which barred the use of active duty military inside the United States for police-type functions, and the revision of the Insurrection Act, so as to empower the president to take control of National Guard units in the 50 states, even over the objections of the governors of those states.

Put this together with the wholly secret construction now under way -- courtesy of a $385 million grant by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to Halliburton subsidiary KBR Inc -- of detention camps reportedly capable of confining as many as 400,000 people, and a recent report that the Pentagon has a document, dated June 1, 2007, classified Top Secret, which declares there to be a developing "insurgency" within the U.S, and which lays out a whole martial law counterinsurgency campaign against legal dissent, and you have all the ingredients for a military takeover of the United States.

As we go about our daily lives -- our shopping, our escapist movie watching, and even our protesting and political organizing -- we need to be aware that there is a real risk that it could all blow up, and that we could find ourselves facing armed, uniformed troops at our doors.

Bruce Fein isn't an alarmist. He says he doesn't see martial law coming tomorrow. But he is also realistic. He says, "This is all sitting around like a loaded gun waiting to go off. I think the risk of martial law is trivial right now, but the minute there is a terrorist attack, then it is real.
Indeed, the revised Insurrection Act (10. USC 331-335) approved by Congress and signed into law by Bush last October, specifically says that the president can federalize the National Guard to "suppress public disorder" in the event of "national disorder, epidemic, other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or incident." That determination, the act states, is solely the president's to make. Congress is not involved.

That's what I thought. Ridiculous allegations, no proof, no accountability. Well whatever keeps you going.

Posted by playa2:

Martial Law Threat is Real

The looming collapse of the U.S. military in Iraq, of which a number of generals and former generals, including former Chief of Staff Colin Powell, have warned, is happening none too soon, as it may be the best hope for preventing military rule here at home.

From the looks of things, the Bush/Cheney regime has been working assiduously to pave the way for a declaration of military rule, such that at this point it really lacks only the pretext to trigger a suspension of Constitutional government. They have done this with the active support of Democrats in Congress, though most of the heavy lifting was done by the last, Republican-led Congress.

The first step, or course, was the first Authorization for Use of Military Force, passed in September 2001, which the president has subsequently used to claim -- improperly, but so what -- that the whole world, including the U.S., is a battlefield in a so-called "War" on Terror, and that he has extra-Constitutional unitary executive powers to ignore laws passed by Congress. As constitutional scholar and former Reagan-era associate deputy attorney general Bruce Fein observes, that one claim, that the U.S. is itself a battlefield, is enough to allow this or some future president to declare martial law, "since you can always declare martial law on a battlefield. All he'd need would be a pretext, like another terrorist attack inside the U.S."

The 2001 AUMF was followed by the PATRIOT Act, passed in October 2001, which undermined much of the Bill of Rights. Around the same time, the president began a campaign of massive spying on Americans by the National Security Agency, conducted without any warrants or other judicial review. It was and remains a program clearly aimed at American dissidents and at the Administration's political opponents, since the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court would never have raised any objections to spying on potential terrorists. (It, and other government spying programs, have resulted in the government having a list now of some 325,000 "suspected terrorists"!)

The other thing we saw early on was the establishment of an underground government within a government, though the activation, following 9-11, of the so-called "Continuity of Government" protocol, which saw heads of federal agencies moved secretly to an underground bunker where, working under the direction of Vice President Dick Cheney, the "government" functioned out of sight of Congress and the public for critical months.

It was also during the first year following 9-11 that the Bush/Cheney regime began its programs of arrest and detention without charge -- mostly of resident aliens, but also of American citizens -- and of kidnapping and torture in a chain of gulag prisons overseas and at the Navy base at Guantanamo Bay.

The following year, Attorney General John Ashcroft began his program to develop a mass network of tens of millions of citizen spies -- Operation TIPS. That program, which had considerable support from key Democrats (notably Sen. Joe Lieberman), was curtailed by Congress when key conservatives got wind of the scale of the thing, but the concept survives without a name, and is reportedly being expanded today.

Meanwhile, last October Bush and Cheney, with the help of a compliant Congress, put in place some key elements needed for a military putsch. There was the overturning of the venerable Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, which barred the use of active duty military inside the United States for police-type functions, and the revision of the Insurrection Act, so as to empower the president to take control of National Guard units in the 50 states, even over the objections of the governors of those states.

Put this together with the wholly secret construction now under way -- courtesy of a $385 million grant by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to Halliburton subsidiary KBR Inc -- of detention camps reportedly capable of confining as many as 400,000 people, and a recent report that the Pentagon has a document, dated June 1, 2007, classified Top Secret, which declares there to be a developing "insurgency" within the U.S, and which lays out a whole martial law counterinsurgency campaign against legal dissent, and you have all the ingredients for a military takeover of the United States.

As we go about our daily lives -- our shopping, our escapist movie watching, and even our protesting and political organizing -- we need to be aware that there is a real risk that it could all blow up, and that we could find ourselves facing armed, uniformed troops at our doors.

Bruce Fein isn't an alarmist. He says he doesn't see martial law coming tomorrow. But he is also realistic. He says, "This is all sitting around like a loaded gun waiting to go off. I think the risk of martial law is trivial right now, but the minute there is a terrorist attack, then it is real.
Indeed, the revised Insurrection Act (10. USC 331-335) approved by Congress and signed into law by Bush last October, specifically says that the president can federalize the National Guard to "suppress public disorder" in the event of "national disorder, epidemic, other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack, or incident." That determination, the act states, is solely the president's to make. Congress is not involved.

I think I'm gonna let you guys find out for yourself no more warnings from me, I have share and explained enough.Those who think that we are safe in america with our govt leading nthe way so be it.

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD !

I give it <1 week before the next conspiracy thread

Posted by playa2:

I think I'm gonna let you guys find out for yourself no more warnings from me, I have share and explained enough.Those who think that we are safe in america with our govt leading nthe way so be it.

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD !

I can't wait to hear the reponses on this forum when the self inflicted wounds take place on this soil.

I bet who ever the govt says is the culprit , that you will believe them. LOL

You haven't even defeined the terms from which your conspiracies will be fulfilled....all you have is osme vague generalities and when someone asks for details you dodge the question.

Posted by playa2:

I can't wait to hear the reponses on this forum when the self inflicted wounds take place on this soil.

I bet who ever the govt says is the culprit , that you will believe them. LOL

Posted by playa2:

I can't wait to hear the reponses on this forum when the self inflicted wounds take place on this soil.

I bet who ever the govt says is the culprit , that you will believe them. LOL

Why is that "LOL"?

Also, why no mention of the financial hits we put on many whom we suspected of activity?

And, lets take your theory to the max and say the gov't did 9/11 or others acts.

For what purpose? I keep asking you and you just schrugg it off?

Hows this for a hypothetical: What if we did 9/11 as a way to motivate the citizens, we steal all the bad guys money, kill lots of Osama's friends, and incite the real bad mens to take the fight on their soil, and what if just maybe we avoided a dirty bomb, or biological event that might have killed 50,000? Maybe that was the pupose of 9/11. As a soldier, could you handle a collateral loss of 2500 civilians if it saved 50,000?

Pre-emptive activity always leave second guessing, but playa you have to at least conject reasons why things happen. Not just the white man getting richer!

So with all due respect, I am challanging you to do better.