Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Nalod:
If you really want to understand Israel's position read up on their independence in 1948 and the sense of urgency for declaring it.
I wouldn't call it "independence." The land was legally stripped from one group and given to another, which is a basis of the conflict. The persecuted got theirs from another group that now feels persecuted too.
[Edited by - supremecommander on 03-17-2009 10:51 AM]
Many religions and people can claim Jerusleam as their home. The Israelites were driven from the land by the Pharoah and enslaved into Egypt. Christianity and Islam were not yet created.
That might be a religious definition.
Like I said, read up. Start by looking at the Balfour Declaration of 1917 and the next 31 years. Then bone up on how the nation was actually created.
Read up on how the Golan Vally was drained by the british and cultivated by "settlements" where nobody could inhabit the land before. Once it became a breadbasket does it become desired.
There are some interesting and legit viewpoints both for and against the Declaration. No doubt in history people get Phuched over and the middle east has many sore points besides Israel. In the case of Israel, genecide was not applied to the indiginous population as have in many great societies in history.
Jealousy is strong trait amung the muslim tribes and has prevented much progress in much of the region.
If civilization started in the region what stopped it? By all accounts the epicenter of the earths civilization should be the middle east!
Why not also look at how the Jews were Phucked over in their history? You might get some balance.
...It is pretty interesting to see opinions of people who never leave or even visited Israel...
Ahem. Yes, those might be interesting.
Ugh. Well, at least it's nice to know that American exceptionalism isn't the ugliest form around.
Back to basketball...
The one thing that I end up talking about with every Palestinian I meet is: Israeli basketball! My solution for ME peace? More basketball all around.
Posted by SupremeCommander:
Posted by Nalod:
If you really want to understand Israel's position read up on their independence in 1948 and the sense of urgency for declaring it.
I wouldn't call it "independence." The land was legally stripped from one group and given to another, which is a basis of the conflict. The persecuted got theirs from another group that now feels persecuted too.
[Edited by - supremecommander on 03-17-2009 10:51 AM]
Executive Summary
This policy paper is the introduction of a forthcoming book to be published on the legal rights and title of sovereignty of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and Palestine under international law. These rights were recognized as inhering in the Jewish people when the highest representatives of the Great Powers that had defeated Germany and Turkey in World War I met at the Paris and San Remo Peace Conferences in 1919 and 1920. Their purpose was to design a global political and legal settlement to dispose of the conquered territories that formerly belonged to the dissolved German and Turkish Empires. Under this settlement, the whole of Palestine on both sides of the Jordan was reserved exclusively for the Jewish people as the Jewish National Home, in recognition of their historical connection with that country, dating from the Patriarchal Period. Its boundaries were to be delineated in accordance with the historical and biblical formula "from Dan to Beersheba" which denoted the entire Land of Israel. The Arabs were accorded national rights in Syria, Mesopotamia and Arabia, but not in Palestine. The British Government as Mandatory, Trustee and Tutor was charged with the obligation to create an eventual independent Jewish state in Palestine, and for this purpose only it could exercise the attributes of sovereignty vested in the Jewish people.
The Palestine aspect of the global settlement was recorded in three basic documents that led to the founding of the modern State of Israel: the San Remo Resolution of April 25, 1920, combining the Balfour Declaration with the general provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations; the Mandate for Palestine confirmed on July 24, 1922 and the Franco-British Boundary Convention of December 23, 1920, supplemented by the Anglo-American Convention of December 3, 1924 respecting the Mandate for Palestine.
The British Government repudiated the solemn obligation it undertook to develop Palestine gradually into an independent Jewish state. This began with the Churchill White Paper of June 3, 1922, and culminated with the MacDonald White Paper of May 17, 1939. The US aided and abetted the British betrayal of the Jewish people by its abject failure to act decisively against the 1939 White Paper despite its own legal obligation to do so under the 1924 treaty. The UN Partition Resolution of November 29, 1947 illegally recommended the restriction of Jewish legal rights to a truncated part of Palestine. Astonishingly, the State of Israel has contributed to the denial of Jewish legal rights to the entire country by illegally transferring substantial areas of Judea, Samaria and Gaza to the PLO representing a mythical Arabic-speaking Gentile nation called "Palestinians" who falsely pretend to hold the real title of sovereignty over the country.
Despite all the subversive actions to smother and destroy Jewish legal rights and title of sovereignty to the entire Land of Israel, they still remain in full force by virtue of the Principle of Acquired Rights and the Doctrine of Estoppel that apply in all legal systems of the democratic world.
