Posted by sebstar:
Are you comfortable with our government pumping so much money into the investigation, persecution, and incarceration of people who smoke such a harmless drug in comparison to harder legal drugs like prescription pills, alcohol, and tobacco?
Are you also comfortable with husbands and mothers being ripped from their family over weed???
Its just insanity, this is just self-righteous dogma. Thats all.
No its not! What will the gangs do if we legalize marijuana? We have to keep it illegal so they don't sell harder stuff!
I recommend that everyone watch American Drug War!
Posted by bitty41:
I recommend that everyone watch American Drug War!
great movie. great recommendation.
How is it ridiculous? You pretty much dismissed the Academy of Pediatrics which bases their statements on research across any aveunes to oh, of course they are going say no. You didn't address the 3rd study. And saying that noone says pregnant women should smoke pot, means that the other study has no bearing in a descision to legalize it is idiotic.
Posted by bitty41:
Did you actually read their statement? Or is it like well they disagree with me and so therfore they must be dishonest or stupid? Being a physician myself, I trust this report and i know they aren't stupid. How about the SES study, bitty?
Now this has become borderline ridiculous. I responded to those studies you cited with the statement that no one on this board nor anyone associated with the Movement to legalize Marijuana would ever suggest that pregnant women or children engage in Marijuana use now do you understand my point?
gangs and organized crime to me economically is the same. One is an extension of the other. If gangs sell drugs, its all the same.
Posted by nykshaknbake:
How is it ridiculous? You pretty much dismissed the Academy of Pediatrics which bases their statements on research across any aveunes to oh, of course they are going say no. You didn't address the 3rd study. And saying that noone says pregnant women should smoke pot, means that the other study has no bearing in a descision to legalize it is idiotic.
Posted by bitty41:
Did you actually read their statement? Or is it like well they disagree with me and so therfore they must be dishonest or stupid? Being a physician myself, I trust this report and i know they aren't stupid. How about the SES study, bitty?
Now this has become borderline ridiculous. I responded to those studies you cited with the statement that no one on this board nor anyone associated with the Movement to legalize Marijuana would ever suggest that pregnant women or children engage in Marijuana use now do you understand my point?
I have no issue with the studies but unfortunately for you these are studies that were done on a group of people that most of society would agree should not be using Marijuana or most drugs. As for you third study; it looked at the effects of alcohol and Marijuana together which makes a big difference.
I'm curious if your stance on Marijuana has to do with your actual medical experience, for example have you seen people suffer serious medical problems due to Marijuana use or is your opinion socio-moral based?
Dudes and dudettes. It's like this-- it should be legal because we can capitalize financially on the stoners. And that's great. Health wise, I don't need any studies to tell me that THC has no place in a human's mind or body. I"ve heard it all, I've smoked it all, I've rolled plenty of blunts and did the bong hits-- it's not natural, it changes the way you view the world, and, therefore, it changes how you react to the world. If you're not yourself, your natural self, when you react to the world then the world is in bad hands.
Posted by orangeblobman:
Dudes and dudettes. It's like this-- it should be legal because we can capitalize financially on the stoners. And that's great. Health wise, I don't need any studies to tell me that THC has no place in a human's mind or body. I"ve heard it all, I've smoked it all, I've rolled plenty of blunts and did the bong hits-- it's not natural, it changes the way you view the world, and, therefore, it changes how you react to the world. If you're not yourself, your natural self, when you react to the world then the world is in bad hands.
If by your own admission it changed your mind negatively then why exactly should your opinion hold any credence?
Lol, bitty41, you are too much. Because I don't use marijuana anymore and haven't for a very long time. The effects aren't permanent, and the younger you are, the faster your brain returns to normal function. It's physiological.
But that's beside the point.
The point is that it is not natural and it has no place in your body or mind. Again, if nature wanted you stoned, son, it would've made you so from the get-go.
Whether or not you can function in modern society is another question. By all external accounts, you can. Or you might not be able to. Regardless, no human can ever reach his or her true potential if under the influence of mind altering substances.
[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 11:17 AM]
Posted by orangeblobman:
Lol, bitty41, you are too much. Because I don't use marijuana anymore and haven't for a very long time. The effects aren't permanent, and the younger you are, the faster your brain returns to normal function. It's physiological.
But that's beside the point.
The point is that it is not natural and it has no place in your body or mind. Again, if nature wanted you stoned, son, it would've made you so from the get-go.
Whether or not you can function in modern society is another question. By all external accounts, you can. Or you might not be able to. Regardless, no human can ever reach his or her true potential if under the influence of mind altering substances.
[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 11:17 AM]
those are relevant points. why not apply the same logic, and lock up people who abuse alcohol? pain killers? i understand what you're saying, but its detrimental to our society to lock people up for mandatory drug minimums.
not only that, but there IS research out there that says marijuana is not harmful, that it does not cause cancer, that it does not make people any stupider, that it has actual HEALTH BENEFITS for people who are sick or diseased. the same cannot be said for alcohol. the way pot is policed, i don't think anybody can say with a straight face that the punishment fits the crime. not to mention the money our government wastes to ensure what exactly? its not like they have prevented people from getting weed. when i was 18 and 19, it was far EASIER for me to get pot than alcohol -- and i'm happy i did! several of my high school friends have died in drunk driving accidents, and one other has been severly hurt while drunk outta his mind and falling off a retaining wall. 11 states don't use their funds to police it and have all but legalized it.
Which is even more reason to legalize it. I agree.
The same logic should be applied to alcohol and pain killers. Never did I say that they are good for you or that they belong in our bodies and minds.
I favor a natural human, one without the influences of foreign substances. A natural brain, a natural body, are the way to get through life. Everything else is a facade. Some people chose to live and die with this facade on, some don't. But the ones that do have no respect or regard for the ones that are trying to go through it the right way-- and this drains the natural society.
Posted by orangeblobman:
Lol, bitty41, you are too much. Because I don't use marijuana anymore and haven't for a very long time. The effects aren't permanent, and the younger you are, the faster your brain returns to normal function. It's physiological.
But that's beside the point.
The point is that it is not natural and it has no place in your body or mind. Again, if nature wanted you stoned, son, it would've made you so from the get-go.
Whether or not you can function in modern society is another question. By all external accounts, you can. Or you might not be able to. Regardless, no human can ever reach his or her true potential if under the influence of mind altering substances.
[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 11:17 AM]
If it's not natural then why does it come from the earth? This is not Crystal Meth where I gather up a bunch of over the counter drugs and cook something up in my kitchen. Is Oxycontin, Percocet, Morphoine, are these natural and good for? How do explain completely functioning and successful adults being able to use Marijuana? I think anything absused whether it's prescribed drugs, alcohol, Marijuana, or fried food will have a negative effect on the human body. But I much rather people have the option of going to a safe and controlled place to obtain Marijuana versuses heading to the local bar and downing 10 tequila shots? One you might not wake up from ever and the other you might wake up with twinkie residue all over your face.
Posted by orangeblobman:
Which is even more reason to legalize it. I agree.
The same logic should be applied to alcohol and pain killers. Never did I say that they are good for you or that they belong in our bodies and minds.
I favor a natural human, one without the influences of foreign substances. A natural brain, a natural body, are the way to get through life. Everything else is a facade. Some people chose to live and die with this facade on, some don't. But the ones that do have no respect or regard for the ones that are trying to go through it the right way-- and this drains the natural society.
i favor a human contributing to society versus being thrown into jail, separated from his family, and, once released from jail, unable to get hired and contribute again. i respect your personal decision on weed and all things natural, having a natural mind state, but as far as looking at marijuana users as criminals and throwing them into prison, i don't think thats good for our country.
someone recommended it earlier, but i highly recommend american drug war. its a great movie, and will at least make you consider the power of the prison industry in this country. they are the main driving factor in keeping drugs illegal -- without that, it would be very hard to fill up the superprisons they've built all over the country.
Posted by bitty41:
Posted by orangeblobman:
Lol, bitty41, you are too much. Because I don't use marijuana anymore and haven't for a very long time. The effects aren't permanent, and the younger you are, the faster your brain returns to normal function. It's physiological.
But that's beside the point.
The point is that it is not natural and it has no place in your body or mind. Again, if nature wanted you stoned, son, it would've made you so from the get-go.
Whether or not you can function in modern society is another question. By all external accounts, you can. Or you might not be able to. Regardless, no human can ever reach his or her true potential if under the influence of mind altering substances.
[Edited by - orangeblobman on 04-24-2009 11:17 AM]
If it's not natural then why does it come from the earth? This is not Crystal Meth where I gather up a bunch of over the counter drugs and cook something up in my kitchen. Is Oxycontin, Percocet, Morphoine, are these natural and good for? How do explain completely functioning and successful adults being able to use Marijuana? I think anything absused whether it's prescribed drugs, alcohol, Marijuana, or fried food will have a negative effect on the human body. But I much rather people have the option of going to a safe and controlled place to obtain Marijuana versuses heading to the local bar and downing 10 tequila shots? One you might not wake up from ever and the other you might wake up with twinkie residue all over your face.
And I'm not saying it should be illegal. It should be legal, I agree 100% with this.
But about oxy, or alcohol, or crystal meth-- they don't differ at all from marijuana in that they alter your mind and the way you perceive the world. Also, these chemicals are made from naturally occurring elements that have been manipulated, by natural man, into mind altering substances.
Poison-berries are all nature, as are man-eating predators, but does this mean we can let our guard down against them?
Did this fool really say that marijuana doesnt differ from Crystal Meth or oxycotin? That's hands down the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site.
Posted by sebstar:
Did this fool really say that marijuana doesnt differ from Crystal Meth or oxycotin? That's hands down the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site.
See Bippity not every opinion has value. This is the type of stuff I'm talking about completely asinine statements devoid of any type of reality.
Posted by sebstar:
Did this fool really say that marijuana doesnt differ from Crystal Meth or oxycotin? That's hands down the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site.
But about oxy, or alcohol, or crystal meth-- they don't differ at all from marijuana in that they alter your mind and the way you perceive the world.
Were you high when you read that?
Posted by orangeblobman:
Posted by sebstar:
Did this fool really say that marijuana doesnt differ from Crystal Meth or oxycotin? That's hands down the dumbest thing I have ever read on this site.
But about oxy, or alcohol, or crystal meth-- they don't differ at all from marijuana in that they alter your mind and the way you perceive the world.
Were you high when you read that?
LOL. Posting it again just makes you look dumber. Saying there is "no difference" between the three drugs, in any capacity, without carefully qualifying the statement is akin to saying there is "no difference" between a prick of the thumb and a stab wound because they both make you bleed...no difference between a bike and a motorcycle because they both are two-wheelers that can get you from point A to point B....no difference between falling off a curb and falling out of a three-story building. Its an illogical comparison that springs from your obvious agenda.
prick of the thumb and a stab wound are both injuries. a bike and a motorbike are both two-wheeled transports...meth oxy crack weed alcohol all alter your mind, for the worse, and they take you away from your Natural Man.
