Off Topic · OT: Former NYPD detective admits to racial profiling (page 4)

Posted by TMS:

hello, just cuz my parents & plenty of other immigrant parents were able to overcome the barriers of race that they faced when they immigrated to this country doesn't mean those barriers don't exist... & it's not only Asians that have been able to overcome those barriers to enjoy a good quality of life in this country... are you honestly denying that minorities aren't generally disadvantaged in this society?

Im using youre own words against you. If minorities are generally disadvantaged in this society then WHY do asians earn more than whites?

Posted by izybx:

Posted by TMS:

hello, just cuz my parents & plenty of other immigrant parents were able to overcome the barriers of race that they faced when they immigrated to this country doesn't mean those barriers don't exist... & it's not only Asians that have been able to overcome those barriers to enjoy a good quality of life in this country... are you honestly denying that minorities aren't generally disadvantaged in this society?

Im using youre own words against you. If minorities are generally disadvantaged in this society then WHY do asians earn more than whites?

do i really need to repeat what i just said for u to finally get it?

Why didn't crack become rampant in the white community?

The demand was not there?

The Government is evil as hell to have done what they did. Could it be that if they did not do it the cartel would have anyway? As they have and continue to do? The gangs were already in place. The infrastructure was already in place.

The root problem is not the supply but the demand.

Gov't should not be doing this crap.

But,.......Who is against that but think weed should be legalized?

And if the gangs are put out of the weed selling business what do you think they will sell in its place? Encyclopedias?

I want our AMERICAN YOUTH regardless of color not locked up in the numbers they are. But there is another problem. Jail population is a symptom of the root problem. Coke vs. Crack is not the arguement. If Crack goes away, the meath gets even bigger! If meath goes away, Heroin gets bigger, Etc etc

Drug sales also support terror groups.

Posted by Nalod:


Why didn't crack become rampant in the white community?

The demand was not there?

The Government is evil as hell to have done what they did. Could it be that if they did not do it the cartel would have anyway? As they have and continue to do? The gangs were already in place. The infrastructure was already in place.

The root problem is not the supply but the demand.

Gov't should not be doing this crap.

But,.......Who is against that but think weed should be legalized?

And if the gangs are put out of the weed selling business what do you think they will sell in its place? Encyclopedias?

I want our AMERICAN YOUTH regardless of color not locked up in the numbers they are. But there is another problem. Jail population is a symptom of the root problem. Coke vs. Crack is not the arguement. If Crack goes away, the meath gets even bigger! If meath goes away, Heroin gets bigger, Etc etc

Drug sales also support terror groups.

I don't want to come to simple conclusions without true facts. But I don't believe it was because the demand was not there. Its easy to fall into prey from drugs when your living poverty and your stressing or facing depression. I believe its more due to the fact that the government cared less about the well being of African Americans especially in the 80s and focused on pushing it in the black communities while trying to keep it out of white communities. Even the Mafia when they were looking to expand into the drug trafficing game wanted to focus on pushing it towards the Niggers.

If the government really wanted to stop the Cartel and drugs from entering America they could have. If there really was a war on drugs the government would have been able to drastically slow down drug trafficing. Drug trafficing is only as successfull as it has been since it started because the government has allowed it to. Becuase the government profits off of it directly and indirectly.

Its not about cocaine vs crack either. Its about the government has allowed drug trafficing to take place because they profit off of it and I am still talking present, and the black community was and is still targeted.

Government support terror groups as well when ever they need to benifit from it. The root of the problem is that mankind lacks morality there for things will not change no matter what plan or system is put in place. Man will just corrupt it just like they have done with every single thing on this earth.

nyny,

I responded to your previous post with a crazy conspiracy theory of my own. Unless you can prove any actual government conspiracy, then it is just another paranoid internet conspiracy being passed off as fact and as credible as the nonsense that I posted. It's easy to play towards peoples fears and spin it as fact, especially on the internet.

NY,

Im kind of with you on most accounts. Just not sure about present day.

I saw "THE GODFATHER" and they did not want drugs in their backyard. What group does?

Gov't tolerated terrorism is a fact, but a fact of life for a long time. We celebrated the talaban to fight the soviets, but never supported them after. We supported the Evil Shah of Iran to also keep the Soviets out. Morality has its price and sometimes world war 3 is not a price we wanted to pay.

Cartels if we closed them down would terrorize as they do in their native lands holding local gov't hostage. "Eat lead or silver"!

The price society pays for drug use is huge. THe price the black community pays is too large but the conditions for introducing a drug and the demand for it over other races is not just conspiricy but congruence of events. Does the Gov't still sell drugs as they did then? Does white america pay huge tax for healthcare and inprisoned population? Does clearing our streets of violent convicts good or bad for society?

If Market demand is what brings the drugs then its not the drugs in supply but the demand for them.

Posted by Rookie:

NYNY,

This is why we should support smaller government and less government intervention. Times like we have today lead to war. It serves many purposes for failing administrations dealing with a failing economy and high unemployment rates. To them, we are all statistics to be manipulated into popularity ratings. It's a sick joke.War is the ultimate stimulus package.

It don't matter what system is put in place. It doesn't matter if we support larger or smaller government. It doesn't matter if we go with Republican party and there beliefs or Democratic party and there beliefs. Every system and plan and government depends on the morality of mankind thats why these problems will allways exsist. Even if they try there best to cover some of the problems up by the systems and plans and beliefs the root of the problems are still going to be mankind lack for morals.

People continually put blame on things such as government/politics, religion, science, technology etc.. But if you look at the common denominator mankind is who has corrupted all these things from there original purpose that God put them in place for us to use. Government/Politics purpose is to create and maintain a civil society. Instead mankind uses it to lie, cheat, and steal from the people for personal gain. Religion was put in place to instill morality and a sense of goodwill and cooperation between mankind. Instead it is constantly used to lie, cheat, and steal from the people for personal gain. Science purpose is to give us knowledge and understanding as well as make life easier which we broke down into Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Earth Science. With this knowledge mankind has created Nuclear and Atomic Bombs which can kill millions of people in a matter of seconds. Technology's purpose was to make life easier for mankind. But with technology they also created guns,and fighter planes, and tanks killing millions of people.

I don't believe mankind has the moral stability to be able to overcome the critical issues. That is the root of the problem which branches out into issues such as these.

We can argue about the minor issues every day for yrs. But we would be avoiding the root of the problems which is the morality of mankind.

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 08-05-2009 2:14 PM]

my bad for my horrible spelling.

Posted by Nalod:

NY,

Im kind of with you on most accounts. Just not sure about present day.

I saw "THE GODFATHER" and they did not want drugs in their backyard. What group does?

Gov't tolerated terrorism is a fact, but a fact of life for a long time. We celebrated the talaban to fight the soviets, but never supported them after. We supported the Evil Shah of Iran to also keep the Soviets out. Morality has its price and sometimes world war 3 is not a price we wanted to pay.

Cartels if we closed them down would terrorize as they do in their native lands holding local gov't hostage. "Eat lead or silver"!

The price society pays for drug use is huge. THe price the black community pays is too large but the conditions for introducing a drug and the demand for it over other races is not just conspiricy but congruence of events. Does the Gov't still sell drugs as they did then? Does white america pay huge tax for healthcare and inprisoned population? Does clearing our streets of violent convicts good or bad for society?

If Market demand is what brings the drugs then its not the drugs in supply but the demand for them.

Even if so the government allowed the demand to be met. Poverty life is hard, of course the demand will strong with people looking for an excape from there troubled realities.

I wonder what it was that caused the troubled realities that blacks faced to fuse the demand for drugs to excape those realities.

I agree with a lot of what you have said through this thread though for the record. I don't know if this is fact or not, I don't really have the time at this time to look it up but I can bet that the top cause for drugs is depression.

Posted by Rookie:

nyny,

I responded to your previous post with a crazy conspiracy theory of my own. Unless you can prove any actual government conspiracy, then it is just another paranoid internet conspiracy being passed off as fact and as credible as the nonsense that I posted. It's easy to play towards peoples fears and spin it as fact, especially on the internet.

The article was able to give specific facts,dates,names. It is based off investigation files, court trials and testimonials by the dealers themselves. Its not a made up conspiracy.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Rookie:

nyny,

I responded to your previous post with a crazy conspiracy theory of my own. Unless you can prove any actual government conspiracy, then it is just another paranoid internet conspiracy being passed off as fact and as credible as the nonsense that I posted. It's easy to play towards peoples fears and spin it as fact, especially on the internet.

The article was able to give specific facts,dates,names. It is based off investigation files, court trials and testimonials by the dealers themselves. Its not a made up conspiracy.

nyny, the article says

'There seems little doubt that the CIA cooperated in Blandon's operation' and 'According to the MERCURY NEWS, agents of four law enforcement agencies --DEA, U.S. Customs, the L.A. County Sheriff's Office, and the California Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement --say their investigations into Ross's empire were thwarted by the CIA or by unnamed "national security" interests.'

thus, it is still just a conspiracy theory based on the testimony of a convicted drug dealer.

Here, this is the first hit from a google search:

Cocaine, Conspiracy Theories, and the CIA in Central America
by Craig Delaval

Since its creation in 1947 under President Harry Truman, the CIA has been credited with a number of far-fetched operations. While some were proven - the infamous LSD mind-control experiments of the 1950s - others, like the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the crash of the Savings and Loans industry, have little or no merit.
In 1996 the agency was accused of being a crack dealer.

A series of expose articles in the San Jose Mercury-News by reporter Gary Webb told tales of a drug triangle during the 1980s that linked CIA officials in Central America, a San Francisco drug ring and a Los Angeles drug dealer. According to the stories, the CIA and its operatives used crack cocaine--sold via the Los Angeles African-American community--to raise millions to support the agency's clandestine operations in Central America.

The CIA's suspect past made the sensational articles an easy sell. Talk radio switchboards lit up, as did African-American leaders like U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Los Angeles, who pointed to Webb's articles as proof of a mastermind plot to destroy inner-city black America.

One of the people who was accused in the San Jose Mercury-News of being in the midst of the CIA cocaine conspiracy is one of the most respected, now retired, veteran D.E.A. agents, Robert "Bobby" Nieves.

"You have to understand Central America at that time was a haven for the conspiracy theorists. Christic Institute, people like Gary Webb, others down there, looking to dig up some story for political advantage," Nieves said. "No sexier story than to create the notion in people's minds that these people are drug traffickers."

But in the weeks following publication, Webb's peers doubted the merit of the articles. Fellow journalists at the Washington Post, New York Times and Webb's own editor accused him of blowing a few truths up into a massive conspiracy.

Amongst Webb's fundamental problems was his implication that the CIA lit the crack cocaine fuse. It was conspiracy theory: a neat presentation of reality that simply didn't jibe with real life. Webb later agreed in an interview that there is no hard evidence that the CIA as an institution or any of its agent-employees carried out or profited from drug trafficking.

Still, the fantastic story of the CIA injecting crack into ghettos had taken hold. In response to the public outcry following Webb's allegations--which were ultimately published in book form under the title Dark Alliance--the CIA conducted an internal investigation of its role in Central America related to the drug trade. Frederick Hitz, as the CIA Inspector General-- an independent watchdog approved by Congress--conducted the investigation. In October 1998, the CIA released a declassified version of Hitz's two-volume report.

The IG's report cleared the CIA of complicity with the inner-city crack cocaine trade. It refuted charges that CIA officials knew that their Nicaraguan allies were dealing drugs. But, the report said that the CIA, in a number of cases, didn't bother to look into allegations about narcotics And the Hitz report describes how there was little or no direction for CIA operatives when confronted by the rampant traffic in drugs in Central American during the 1980s.

What follows is a closer look at the Hitz report, drawing on interviews with Frederick Hitz and others interviewed for FRONTLINE's "Drug Wars" series.

The full article can be viewed here: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/...

NYNY,

I think you overall have pretty negative view on things regarding gov't, Religion and science. Im not saying its not a valid point of view, just not in balance of the good things. We all come at this from different perspectives and times in our lives. I can't say I haven't been in your shoes.

Maybe being in my 40's and traveled to all contintents (save antartica) adds experiences and views.

I recall in the City of Jersuleam I realized all 3 religions lay claim to this place and have been banging over it for 3000 years. Our foreign policy is not to help solve it, but just keep it moving fron generation to generation. Maybe the same for racism between religion, ethnics, and countries. You can't prevent it, but you can keep it moving in a positive direction.

Recessions make it worse. Unemployed white people and unemployed black people are both angry, hurt, and maybe hungry. That is not a recipe for anything good. It makes it worse.

Posted by Nalod:

NYNY,

I think you overall have pretty negative view on things regarding gov't, Religion and science. Im not saying its not a valid point of view, just not in balance of the good things. We all come at this from different perspectives and times in our lives. I can't say I haven't been in your shoes.

Maybe being in my 40's and traveled to all contintents (save antartica) adds experiences and views.

I recall in the City of Jersuleam I realized all 3 religions lay claim to this place and have been banging over it for 3000 years. Our foreign policy is not to help solve it, but just keep it moving fron generation to generation. Maybe the same for racism between religion, ethnics, and countries. You can't prevent it, but you can keep it moving in a positive direction.

Recessions make it worse. Unemployed white people and unemployed black people are both angry, hurt, and maybe hungry. That is not a recipe for anything good. It makes it worse.

My view of religion, science, Gov is that those things aren't the problem. Mankind is the problem, instead of using the original purpose of Religion, Science, Gov etcc... mankind has corrupted all of them. If mankind used those things only with the purpose they are supposed to be used for then the problems we face today and have faced since the existance of man would have drastically reduced.

Things will not get better and move into positive directions because the only way for that to happen is for everyone on earth to have the same beliefs. As you have mentioned before dating back to the Persians, Egjpt, Greeks, Romans, to America there have been the same recycling problems.

I will admit though I have gone of topic.

Going back to the topic of racism, Of course I believe that compared to the veiw point of the government in the 80s compared to now there has has been drastic change for the better. But that the war on drugs is a scam and the Black community was targeted at one point and has had a lasting effect up to today. The Gov benifits from it from to much from the trafficing all the way to the prison cell. For a moral Governement its horrible and only negative, from a non moral Gov whos only care is about money its the perfect buisness.

Posted by Rookie:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

[quote]Posted by Rookie:

nyny,

I responded to your previous post with a crazy conspiracy theory of my own. Unless you can prove any actual government conspiracy, then it is just another paranoid internet conspiracy being passed off as fact and as credible as the nonsense that I posted. It's easy to play towards peoples fears and spin it as fact, especially on the internet.

The article was able to give specific facts,dates,names. It is based off investigation files, court trials and testimonials by the dealers themselves. Its not a made up conspiracy.

Let me ask you a question, do you believe that drug trafficing could be as big as it has been for as long as it has been without the Government allowing to happen.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by Rookie:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

[quote]Posted by Rookie:

nyny,

I responded to your previous post with a crazy conspiracy theory of my own. Unless you can prove any actual government conspiracy, then it is just another paranoid internet conspiracy being passed off as fact and as credible as the nonsense that I posted. It's easy to play towards peoples fears and spin it as fact, especially on the internet.

The article was able to give specific facts,dates,names. It is based off investigation files, court trials and testimonials by the dealers themselves. Its not a made up conspiracy.

Let me ask you a question, do you believe that drug trafficing could be as big as it has been for as long as it has been without the Government allowing to happen.

No, obviously not. But that doesn't mean that it's racially targeted.

When biology, instead of (dogmatic) sociology, rules our country we will live in Truth.

I believe it was racially targeted at a specific time period. I don't believe the Gov would allow drugs to flood the neighborhoods of America without controlling who got the supply.

Even if it wasn't racially targeted. One of the points I'm trying to make is, I could make such statements as. ''Look at the majority white Gov of the 80s allowing the trafficking of drugs into America''. Whites are so willing to call blacks drug dealers and believe that as many black should be in prison as the numbers show. Yet they most likely know that the majority white Gov is the one who has allowed drug trafficking to run rampant in America. Its understandable though because out of sight out of mind, out of the news, out of mind.

I agree with Nalod's point that even though the black community may or may not have been targeted, its not like the Gov could force blacks to use or sell the drugs. But I also believe that black community was an easy target. So even if Gov did it by accident, the climate for drugs to run rampant in the black communities was set. As if you look at the top causes for drug use and distribution. Then you look at what the black community was going through at that time period. Put 2 and 2 together.

Same thing with the liquor stores though this is less about race and more about the Gov. Based on Zoning laws the local Gov of each city, town would decide if it would be okay for people to open up things such as liquor stores.

Zoning law - Theoretically, the primary purpose of zoning is to segregate uses that are thought to be incompatible. In practice, zoning is used to prevent new development from interfering with existing residents or businesses and to preserve the "character" of a community. Zoning is commonly controlled by local governments such as counties or municipalities, though the nature of the zoning regime may be determined or limited by state or national planning authorities or through enabling legislation.

Why would local Gov allow so many liquor stores in poverty stricken areas. They know the harm that to much alcohol does to a community. Yet if you go to any ghettos there is a liquor store every other corner. Its because the Gov main focus is money and not morals. They have no problem exploiting the poor. As long as they can profit off of the taxes of liquor its all good. If a couple of investors wanted to open up a liquor store in middle class to upper class neighborhoods they would be declined as drinking in those neighborhoods wouldn't be as in demand as there purpose for drinking would be more for recreation here and there. While liquor stores purpose in Ghetto's are more for escapes from reality as well as recreation. Rather then trying to fix the root of the problem by minimizing the demand for it by minimizing the reasons to drink liquor. The Gov looks to profit off the problems by supplying the demand even though they know the effects of it.

Expecting poverty stricken neighborhoods to minimize the demand by themselves with there own will power is an excuse in order to do nothing and continually profit off there misery. Again if I wanted to I could make statements bashing the majority white government for allowing the supply to be met while profiting off it. Just like whites do blacks after seeing the negative effects of these issues. In order to fix these issues, the Gov would need to put morals over money and go against the supply and demand of these negative things such as drugs, prostitution, liquor. It would still take yrs upon yrs to fix the damage but that type of rehab plan is necessary. Poverty stricken areas are not strong enough to fight these issues themselves. They are to emotionally fragile due to depression. Of course that would never happen because the Gov profits to much off these things. If any president were to try and put a stop to these things he would probably be the next president that's assassinated.

Posted by Nalod:

NYNY,

I recall in the City of Jersuleam I realized all 3 religions lay claim to this place and have been banging over it for 3000 years.

Religion in Jerusalem is only a cover up for the leaders true intentions. They use religion as they know that it is going to inspire people to fight for them. The people at the top are not fighting for religious purposes, they are fighting for money, power, land. The only time that any land is holy is when God shows his presence. Only at that moment is that land holy. The land is not continually holy after God removes his presence. Even if that land was holy, What do you think Gods view is of people killing each other spreading blood all over his holy land. If that land was holy then God would not allow anyone who did not belong there to be there and the people who are supposed to have that land would have conquered already. Since they are not truly fighting for God they will continue to kill each other for there true intentions which are money, power, land. God wanted man to spread across and fill the earth, not fight over supposed holy land.

One of the 10 commandments state thou shalt not kill. This is another example of people not using religion for its original purpose. If people really used religion for its original purpose that God put it in place for us then they wouldn't be killing each other for ''holy land'' like they have been doing.