Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:eViL wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Well we can even more nit-picky since the discussion never specified if we're counting inactive players. Obviously he's having a bigger impact than all inactive players and that will change the percentage.
or you can just admit that you were wrong like a normal person would do. instead you bend over backwards trying to create these meaningless distinctions like "above average starter," or to somehow claim that the 100 or so players under NBA contracts that are not active for games somehow don't count in the pool of NBA players, just so you can have a way to contort yourself out of a losing argument.
Its unreal because this guy was a big Allan Houston fan and Melo has a better FG% and the same TS% as Houston. He had never said Houston should never shoot another jump shot! His premise is ridiculous. And "above average starter" is ridiculous. It almost as if Bonn is relying on techniques he has learned for academic debates. I don't think he is ready to admit Melo should shoot the basketball. We are better off abandoning this thread.
I knew a lot less about the game including statistics then. I'm actually much less of a Houston fan than I used to be.
It's unreal how defensive many here are about Carmelo's career. You guys are reacting like little boys who were just told Santa isn't real.
Statistics? Thats what you are basing how much Carmelo should shoot the ball on? Please watch more games instead. Because you can make statistics say whatever you want!
That's why I teach my students to know the strengths and weaknesses of different statistical analyses. They often make comments like yours at the start of the semester but not once they've learned more.
So what class is it that you're teaching? Advanced bullshit analysis?
Off the top of my head... Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Paul, Durant, Gasol, Garnett, Howard, Deron Williams, Nowitzki, Duncan, Nash, Griffin, Rose, Stoudemire.
Silverfuel wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:eViL wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Well we can even more nit-picky since the discussion never specified if we're counting inactive players. Obviously he's having a bigger impact than all inactive players and that will change the percentage.
or you can just admit that you were wrong like a normal person would do. instead you bend over backwards trying to create these meaningless distinctions like "above average starter," or to somehow claim that the 100 or so players under NBA contracts that are not active for games somehow don't count in the pool of NBA players, just so you can have a way to contort yourself out of a losing argument.
Its unreal because this guy was a big Allan Houston fan and Melo has a better FG% and the same TS% as Houston. He had never said Houston should never shoot another jump shot! His premise is ridiculous. And "above average starter" is ridiculous. It almost as if Bonn is relying on techniques he has learned for academic debates. I don't think he is ready to admit Melo should shoot the basketball. We are better off abandoning this thread.
I knew a lot less about the game including statistics then. I'm actually much less of a Houston fan than I used to be.
It's unreal how defensive many here are about Carmelo's career. You guys are reacting like little boys who were just told Santa isn't real.
Statistics? Thats what you are basing how much Carmelo should shoot the ball on? Please watch more games instead. Because you can make statistics say whatever you want! I can pay someone to find a statistic that will prove cloudy days cause stock market crashes.It's pretty typical of you to start saying stuff like "reacting like little boys" when you have nothing basketball related to say so I won't bother telling you to keep it strictly basketball. But people aren't getting defensive about Melo. They are calling you out on your bullshit.
Lots of good and funny stuff in this thread, some of the quotes will now be part of my signature. Now I have some good response when I meet people using incomplete data to make their argument.
rojasmas wrote:Off the top of my head... Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Paul, Durant, Gasol, Garnett, Howard, Deron Williams, Nowitzki, Duncan, Nash, Griffin, Rose, Stoudemire.
The bold players are absurd......... Durant and Dirk are basically clones of the same type of player and Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Derrick Rose are pushes talent wise because they are point guards.
DJMUSIC wrote:rojasmas wrote:I agree with Bonn that Carmelo is not a superstar. He is a real good offensive player. I would take probably 15 players in the league before him though if I was starting a team.
You people (Anti-Carmello) now are about to Blame Melo for this Game#3 loss as well as Knicks being down 0-3 to defender East conf.
champs Celtics.
Amazingly Crazy!
Knicks are fortunate to have Melo & a bunch of guys, with a limpy injured Amare and Billups
and nearly won two games in Boston and didn't.
Next year.
Whom knows ? perhaps after 1 more yr next season we'll have a Center and new coach too. Knicks are on the rise
*respectively chow
No one here is anti-Carmelo (maybe except orangeblob). Some of us here just don't compliment him profusely enough apparently. Everyone else here thinks he's a true superstar; so my view stands out. When I talk with a friend who thinks Carmelo is a team cancer, I focus on the things he does do well, which make him a good player in my view.
Ask the people in Denver, who have seen much more of him than we have, how awesome Carmelo is. You'll probably get a much wider range than here, including many people far harsher than I am. You guys are living in a New York shell. In the south, I know more people who think he's a cancer (though I don't) than a superstar.
Ignore isa wonderful feature.
Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Silverfuel wrote:eViL wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Well we can even more nit-picky since the discussion never specified if we're counting inactive players. Obviously he's having a bigger impact than all inactive players and that will change the percentage.
or you can just admit that you were wrong like a normal person would do. instead you bend over backwards trying to create these meaningless distinctions like "above average starter," or to somehow claim that the 100 or so players under NBA contracts that are not active for games somehow don't count in the pool of NBA players, just so you can have a way to contort yourself out of a losing argument.
Its unreal because this guy was a big Allan Houston fan and Melo has a better FG% and the same TS% as Houston. He had never said Houston should never shoot another jump shot! His premise is ridiculous. And "above average starter" is ridiculous. It almost as if Bonn is relying on techniques he has learned for academic debates. I don't think he is ready to admit Melo should shoot the basketball. We are better off abandoning this thread.
I knew a lot less about the game including statistics then. I'm actually much less of a Houston fan than I used to be.
It's unreal how defensive many here are about Carmelo's career. You guys are reacting like little boys who were just told Santa isn't real.
Statistics? Thats what you are basing how much Carmelo should shoot the ball on? Please watch more games instead. Because you can make statistics say whatever you want!
That's why I teach my students to know the strengths and weaknesses of different statistical analyses. They often make comments like yours at the start of the semester but not once they've learned more.
I'm an actuarial analyst and you sir should know there are lies, damn lies and statistics...stop bullshitting a bull shitter.
holfresh wrote:fishmike wrote:My original point was that comparing him to Vince, Arenas and TMac wasn't really an accurate measure....I'm not saying he is Kobe, but he isn't those others either and that's proven...
holfresh whats the measure? What has Melo done or accomplished that puts him above those guys? At 26-27 their careers and regard in the NBA were just as high as Melo's is now, if not higher.
The last four years he has led Denver to 50+ win seasons...We have seen how difficult it has been for STAT to get t .500 over the last year...4 consecutive 50 win seasons...How many stars in the NBA are doing that without an all-star cast next to them...Kobe didn't do it...After winning 3 rings with Shaq, Kobe's teams were playing just around .500 ball until the trade for Gasol was made...None of the other guys you mention hasn't done it either...Much as you bash him for losing to the Spurs and the Lakers in the first round saying he never got over the hump, you have to admit taking on two or three all stars at a time isn't really a reflection on him...Just like Melo taking on Boston now...So saying he is just a scorer like the others isn't looking at the whole picture...
If you think Melo had no help you are delusional
Bonn u've sunk so low into statistical idiocy that u're actually making me miss tomverve.
Marv wrote:Bonn u've sunk so low into statistical idiocy that u're actually making me miss tomverve.
I miss him too. He was great.
