Knicks · I Hope Carmelo Never Shoots Another Jumpshot (page 2)

BigRedDog wrote:At the time I thought this was such a ridiculous topic but after 2 months watching Carmelo play and after last nights game it really shows. Some guys want to hate for the sake of hating.

Pretty much. He put up crazy numbers, made some crazy shots, and generally played an all around hell of a game.

He had the same amount of rebounds as Big Baby, KG and Pierce combined. He also outscored those 3. Shooting a better fg%. If youre a hater just say it.

Killa4luv wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:At the time I thought this was such a ridiculous topic but after 2 months watching Carmelo play and after last nights game it really shows. Some guys want to hate for the sake of hating.

Pretty much. He put up crazy numbers, made some crazy shots, and generally played an all around hell of a game.

He had the same amount of rebounds as Big Baby, KG and Pierce combined. He also outscored those 3. Shooting a better fg%. If youre a hater just say it.

Thank you

He actually had issues going to the basket at times. He even reminded me a bit of how Gallo would go to the basket in good position but without the ability to finish strong at the rim because he was extending his body too much.

Only in New York could a player go 42 and 17 with 7 assists (should have easily been 9) and someone finds fault with that.

It would be nice if Carmelo Anthony had some help.

sheesh

knickstorrents wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Um, he is a great spot up shooter. There was an article written about it earlier this season.

He's only great when he's not defended. Except he's delusional about how good he is when he is defended. So he keeps taking contested shots. Too bad.

As other have mentioned, he hasn't developed the necessary trust with his teammates, most of whom are scrubs. Once the roster gets overhauled a bit, he will have a season to work out the chemistry and develop a flow that gets him much better looks and more assists, since he is clearly a skilled passer, far better than TD.

+1 to what Earl said... this roster is crying out for help and Melo did what he had to do to give the Knicks a chance to win game two with Stat and Billups out. What a terrific game. I can accept a few questionable shots with defenders in his face if he can continue to play with the intensity and focus he displayed last night. 17 boards? Holy effing cow!

Bonn1997 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I hope Bonn1997 never writes another panic post.

Carmelo is one of the best shooters in the game.

How about Douglas and his 1/8 night? Where's your thread about that?

I already left room open for shooting wide open jump-shots but those are the only ones he should shoot. What's your explanation for why someone as talented as him only shoots around 45%?

1.) Carmelo career shooting percentage .459
Kobe Bryant career shooting percentage .454
Ray Allen's career shooting percentage .452
Please use historical data to set your expectations. It normally gives you better perspective then just using your own expectations.

2.) Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Montae Ellis, Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Danny Granger and Michael Beasley are all top 20 scorers that shot lower percentages then Carmelo.

3.) Ray Allen is a career .452 fGA. Before coming to Boston and playing with 3 other all-stars that could take the pressure off Ray from being targeted by the other teams best defender and possibly 2-3 other defenders his percentages were .452, .438, .454, .428, .440, .439, .441, .437. Is he a chucker that should have abandoned his jumper?

4.) Kobe Bryant's career shooting percnetage is .454. Is he as talented as Melo? Melo's career percentage is .459. Is Kobe a chucker that should abandon his jumper?

5.) Using shooting percentage to analyze whether a guy is a chucker is elementary school analysis. Big time perimeter slasher/scorers that are double teamed regularly often times will shoot lower percentages. But the pressure they place on defenses with their ability to take over games is what matters. The fact that teams have to design defenses around these players is more important then what their actual percentage is.

6.) Carmelo's job is to score and he does it as well as anyone in the game. Does he need to work on his shot selection? Yes. So does Amare, Durant and pretty much every other young scorer in the game.

Bippity10 wrote:Any criticism of his play last night should be followed by a flogging. That was one of the better playoff performances in a long asse time for the Knicks

Bill Walker going 0-11 did not help the cause.

It was Carmelo plus four, "who are these guys?"

Bippity10 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I hope Bonn1997 never writes another panic post.

Carmelo is one of the best shooters in the game.

How about Douglas and his 1/8 night? Where's your thread about that?

I already left room open for shooting wide open jump-shots but those are the only ones he should shoot. What's your explanation for why someone as talented as him only shoots around 45%?

1.) Carmelo career shooting percentage .459
Kobe Bryant career shooting percentage .454
Ray Allen's career shooting percentage .452
Please use historical data to set your expectations. It normally gives you better perspective then just using your own expectations.

2.) Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Montae Ellis, Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Danny Granger and Michael Beasley are all top 20 scorers that shot lower percentages then Carmelo.

3.) Ray Allen is a career .452 fGA. Before coming to Boston and playing with 3 other all-stars that could take the pressure off Ray from being targeted by the other teams best defender and possibly 2-3 other defenders his percentages were .452, .438, .454, .428, .440, .439, .441, .437. Is he a chucker that should have abandoned his jumper?

4.) Kobe Bryant's career shooting percnetage is .454. Is he as talented as Melo? Melo's career percentage is .459. Is Kobe a chucker that should abandon his jumper?

5.) Using shooting percentage to analyze whether a guy is a chucker is elementary school analysis. Big time perimeter slasher/scorers that are double teamed regularly often times will shoot lower percentages. But the pressure they place on defenses with their ability to take over games is what matters. The fact that teams have to design defenses around these players is more important then what their actual percentage is.

6.) Carmelo's job is to score and he does it as well as anyone in the game. Does he need to work on his shot selection? Yes. So does Amare, Durant and pretty much every other young scorer in the game.

Bonn probably doesn't like those guys either.

Clearly our offense should run through Turiaf and Fields with their higher FG%.

- Marv Albert

Bippity10 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I hope Bonn1997 never writes another panic post.

Carmelo is one of the best shooters in the game.

How about Douglas and his 1/8 night? Where's your thread about that?

I already left room open for shooting wide open jump-shots but those are the only ones he should shoot. What's your explanation for why someone as talented as him only shoots around 45%?

1.) Carmelo career shooting percentage .459
Kobe Bryant career shooting percentage .454
Ray Allen's career shooting percentage .452
Please use historical data to set your expectations. It normally gives you better perspective then just using your own expectations.

2.) Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Montae Ellis, Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Danny Granger and Michael Beasley are all top 20 scorers that shot lower percentages then Carmelo.

3.) Ray Allen is a career .452 fGA. Before coming to Boston and playing with 3 other all-stars that could take the pressure off Ray from being targeted by the other teams best defender and possibly 2-3 other defenders his percentages were .452, .438, .454, .428, .440, .439, .441, .437. Is he a chucker that should have abandoned his jumper?

4.) Kobe Bryant's career shooting percnetage is .454. Is he as talented as Melo? Melo's career percentage is .459. Is Kobe a chucker that should abandon his jumper?

5.) Using shooting percentage to analyze whether a guy is a chucker is elementary school analysis. Big time perimeter slasher/scorers that are double teamed regularly often times will shoot lower percentages. But the pressure they place on defenses with their ability to take over games is what matters. The fact that teams have to design defenses around these players is more important then what their actual percentage is.

6.) Carmelo's job is to score and he does it as well as anyone in the game. Does he need to work on his shot selection? Yes. So does Amare, Durant and pretty much every other young scorer in the game.

Excellent post. These stats just illustrate even more that the guys who make these ridiculous threads simply dont like and dont want him to do well. Its that simple.

Uptown wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I hope Bonn1997 never writes another panic post.

Carmelo is one of the best shooters in the game.

How about Douglas and his 1/8 night? Where's your thread about that?

I already left room open for shooting wide open jump-shots but those are the only ones he should shoot. What's your explanation for why someone as talented as him only shoots around 45%?

1.) Carmelo career shooting percentage .459
Kobe Bryant career shooting percentage .454
Ray Allen's career shooting percentage .452
Please use historical data to set your expectations. It normally gives you better perspective then just using your own expectations.

2.) Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Montae Ellis, Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Danny Granger and Michael Beasley are all top 20 scorers that shot lower percentages then Carmelo.

3.) Ray Allen is a career .452 fGA. Before coming to Boston and playing with 3 other all-stars that could take the pressure off Ray from being targeted by the other teams best defender and possibly 2-3 other defenders his percentages were .452, .438, .454, .428, .440, .439, .441, .437. Is he a chucker that should have abandoned his jumper?

4.) Kobe Bryant's career shooting percnetage is .454. Is he as talented as Melo? Melo's career percentage is .459. Is Kobe a chucker that should abandon his jumper?

5.) Using shooting percentage to analyze whether a guy is a chucker is elementary school analysis. Big time perimeter slasher/scorers that are double teamed regularly often times will shoot lower percentages. But the pressure they place on defenses with their ability to take over games is what matters. The fact that teams have to design defenses around these players is more important then what their actual percentage is.

6.) Carmelo's job is to score and he does it as well as anyone in the game. Does he need to work on his shot selection? Yes. So does Amare, Durant and pretty much every other young scorer in the game.

Excellent post. These stats just illustrate even more that the guys who make these ridiculous threads simply dont like and dont want him to do well. Its that simple.

I'm usually on the other end(flogging end) of these post...

BigRedDog wrote:At the time I thought this was such a ridiculous topic but after 2 months watching Carmelo play and after last nights game it really shows. Some guys want to hate for the sake of hating.

Bippity10 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I hope Bonn1997 never writes another panic post.

Carmelo is one of the best shooters in the game.

How about Douglas and his 1/8 night? Where's your thread about that?

I already left room open for shooting wide open jump-shots but those are the only ones he should shoot. What's your explanation for why someone as talented as him only shoots around 45%?

1.) Carmelo career shooting percentage .459
Kobe Bryant career shooting percentage .454
Ray Allen's career shooting percentage .452
Please use historical data to set your expectations. It normally gives you better perspective then just using your own expectations.

2.) Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Montae Ellis, Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Danny Granger and Michael Beasley are all top 20 scorers that shot lower percentages then Carmelo.

3.) Ray Allen is a career .452 fGA. Before coming to Boston and playing with 3 other all-stars that could take the pressure off Ray from being targeted by the other teams best defender and possibly 2-3 other defenders his percentages were .452, .438, .454, .428, .440, .439, .441, .437. Is he a chucker that should have abandoned his jumper?

4.) Kobe Bryant's career shooting percnetage is .454. Is he as talented as Melo? Melo's career percentage is .459. Is Kobe a chucker that should abandon his jumper?

5.) Using shooting percentage to analyze whether a guy is a chucker is elementary school analysis. Big time perimeter slasher/scorers that are double teamed regularly often times will shoot lower percentages. But the pressure they place on defenses with their ability to take over games is what matters. The fact that teams have to design defenses around these players is more important then what their actual percentage is.

6.) Carmelo's job is to score and he does it as well as anyone in the game. Does he need to work on his shot selection? Yes. So does Amare, Durant and pretty much every other young scorer in the game.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I hope Bonn1997 never writes another panic post.

Carmelo is one of the best shooters in the game.

How about Douglas and his 1/8 night? Where's your thread about that?

I already left room open for shooting wide open jump-shots but those are the only ones he should shoot. What's your explanation for why someone as talented as him only shoots around 45%?

1.) Carmelo career shooting percentage .459
Kobe Bryant career shooting percentage .454
Ray Allen's career shooting percentage .452
Please use historical data to set your expectations. It normally gives you better perspective then just using your own expectations.

2.) Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Montae Ellis, Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Danny Granger and Michael Beasley are all top 20 scorers that shot lower percentages then Carmelo.

3.) Ray Allen is a career .452 fGA. Before coming to Boston and playing with 3 other all-stars that could take the pressure off Ray from being targeted by the other teams best defender and possibly 2-3 other defenders his percentages were .452, .438, .454, .428, .440, .439, .441, .437. Is he a chucker that should have abandoned his jumper?

4.) Kobe Bryant's career shooting percnetage is .454. Is he as talented as Melo? Melo's career percentage is .459. Is Kobe a chucker that should abandon his jumper?

5.) Using shooting percentage to analyze whether a guy is a chucker is elementary school analysis. Big time perimeter slasher/scorers that are double teamed regularly often times will shoot lower percentages. But the pressure they place on defenses with their ability to take over games is what matters. The fact that teams have to design defenses around these players is more important then what their actual percentage is.

6.) Carmelo's job is to score and he does it as well as anyone in the game. Does he need to work on his shot selection? Yes. So does Amare, Durant and pretty much every other young scorer in the game.

You have to adjust FG% for the number of threes made and attempted. The best thing to do is to look at true shooting % on http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/. TS% also adjusts for FTs and FTAs and is the best way to assess scoring effectiveness. For convenience, I was using just FG% but it's a much poorer stat to use.

my god man, you just missed the entire point of the post.

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JohnWallace44 wrote:I hope Bonn1997 never writes another panic post.

Carmelo is one of the best shooters in the game.

How about Douglas and his 1/8 night? Where's your thread about that?

I already left room open for shooting wide open jump-shots but those are the only ones he should shoot. What's your explanation for why someone as talented as him only shoots around 45%?

1.) Carmelo career shooting percentage .459
Kobe Bryant career shooting percentage .454
Ray Allen's career shooting percentage .452
Please use historical data to set your expectations. It normally gives you better perspective then just using your own expectations.

2.) Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, Montae Ellis, Kevin Martin, Russell Westbrook, Danny Granger and Michael Beasley are all top 20 scorers that shot lower percentages then Carmelo.

3.) Ray Allen is a career .452 fGA. Before coming to Boston and playing with 3 other all-stars that could take the pressure off Ray from being targeted by the other teams best defender and possibly 2-3 other defenders his percentages were .452, .438, .454, .428, .440, .439, .441, .437. Is he a chucker that should have abandoned his jumper?

4.) Kobe Bryant's career shooting percnetage is .454. Is he as talented as Melo? Melo's career percentage is .459. Is Kobe a chucker that should abandon his jumper?

5.) Using shooting percentage to analyze whether a guy is a chucker is elementary school analysis. Big time perimeter slasher/scorers that are double teamed regularly often times will shoot lower percentages. But the pressure they place on defenses with their ability to take over games is what matters. The fact that teams have to design defenses around these players is more important then what their actual percentage is.

6.) Carmelo's job is to score and he does it as well as anyone in the game. Does he need to work on his shot selection? Yes. So does Amare, Durant and pretty much every other young scorer in the game.

You have to adjust FG% for the number of threes made and attempted. The best thing to do is to look at true shooting % on http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/. TS% also adjusts for FTs and FTAs and is the best way to assess scoring effectiveness. For convenience, I was using just FG% but it's a much poorer stat to use.

my god man, you just missed the entire point of the post.

OK, I'm certain you're wrong that I *missed* something but tell me, what point did I miss wise man?

BigRedDog wrote:At the time I thought this was such a ridiculous topic but after 2 months watching Carmelo play and after last nights game it really shows. Some guys want to hate for the sake of hating.

I've noticed that the only ones who actually are doing hating are the ones talking about hating--it's people like you who hate anything but constant praise for every Knick.

ramtour420 wrote:Maybe he should only shoot layups? Hey, higher % shots for the win , right? Or wait, better yet, maybe he should only dunk it? Because I am pretty sure he doesn't miss much when he dunks.

eureka!!!

Bonn1997 wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:At the time I thought this was such a ridiculous topic but after 2 months watching Carmelo play and after last nights game it really shows. Some guys want to hate for the sake of hating.

I've noticed that the only ones who actually are doing hating are the ones talking about hating--it's people like you who hate anything but constant praise for every Knick.

Bonn .. Never mind, just a joke.