Knicks · Can Someone Tell Me Who Does Derrick Rose Make Better Besides Himself? (page 1)

Juice @ 4/12/2011 11:47 PM
Honest question

The D-Ride on this kid this yr has surpassed Steve Nash levels of nausea

I honestly think Rose teammates make him better....I really do

He is a good player and can do some very dynamic things but I see Russell Westbrook do a lot of the same things and not as much whacking going on about the kid. If Rose played with Durant I wonder how things would be

loweyecue @ 4/13/2011 12:05 AM
Rose didn't want Lebron in chi town, that's all you need to know. Stop rose on offense and beat Chicago
AnubisADL @ 4/13/2011 12:06 AM
loweyecue wrote:Rose didn't want Lebron in chi town, that's all you need to know. Stop rose on offense and beat Chicago

Easier said than done. Dude is a beast.

Billups can't guard Rose.

BigSm00th @ 4/13/2011 12:13 AM
loweyecue wrote:Rose didn't want Lebron in chi town, that's all you need to know. Stop rose on offense and beat Chicago

that makes me like rose more.

and i think there's more to the story than that... can't remember it though.

60 wins and 2/3 of the season without either noah or boozer. he's the next marbury!

Juice @ 4/13/2011 12:15 AM
loweyecue wrote:Rose didn't want Lebron in chi town, that's all you need to know. Stop rose on offense and beat Chicago

I actually think you should let him go for fiddy and cover everyone else. There isn't one player on their team and I walk saying Rose makes him so much more a better player.

Mray20 @ 4/13/2011 12:21 AM
Rose is a scorer at the point guard position not a facilitator , it's true he did not want Lebron which makes him seem like he wants to be the man to me. He relies heavily on his athleticism and mark my words if he gets a knee injury or just as he gets older you will see a dramatic decline in his production. The Bulls do not scare me they look like dog crap when Rose goes to the bench.
BlueSeats @ 4/13/2011 12:33 AM
He's Toney Douglas on steroids and cocaine.
Juice @ 4/13/2011 12:34 AM
BlueSeats wrote:He's Toney Douglas on steroids and cocaine.

What was Stephon on early in his career?

BigSm00th @ 4/13/2011 12:36 AM
Mray20 wrote:Rose is a scorer at the point guard position not a facilitator , it's true he did not want Lebron which makes him seem like he wants to be the man to me. He relies heavily on his athleticism and mark my words if he gets a knee injury or just as he gets older you will see a dramatic decline in his production. The Bulls do not scare me they look like dog crap when Rose goes to the bench.

sounds a lot like what people used to say about Jordan.

bulls play ferocious D. they are well-coached. everyone knows their role. they have size. rose is the best PLAYER in the league. they are gonna make noise.

BlueSeats @ 4/13/2011 12:42 AM
Juice wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:He's Toney Douglas on steroids and cocaine.

What was Stephon on early in his career?

Glue.

SupremeCommander @ 4/13/2011 12:47 AM
He is their offense. He lets everyone focus on what they're good at. Luol Deng suddenly went from rdiduclously overpaid to great piece. Joakim Noah is considered untouchable. Nobody compains about Carlos Boozer's defense. Their one dimensional three point shooters are quality there, where they'd be chuckers here.

He puts everyone in a position to do what the do well the best that they can. He's a great player. Swap him for Chauncey and the Knicks are the favorite to win the title. He was a key piece on Team USA in Turkey, which is a big endorsement

martin @ 4/13/2011 12:47 AM
BlueSeats wrote:
Juice wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:He's Toney Douglas on steroids and cocaine.

What was Stephon on early in his career?

Glue.

haha good reply. Or Vaseline.

Juice @ 4/13/2011 12:51 AM
BlueSeats wrote:
Juice wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:He's Toney Douglas on steroids and cocaine.

What was Stephon on early in his career?

Glue.

Kevin Johnson on glue who on Glue?

Juice @ 4/13/2011 1:02 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:He is their offense. He lets everyone focus on what they're good at. Luol Deng suddenly went from rdiduclously overpaid to great piece. Joakim Noah is considered untouchable. Nobody compains about Carlos Boozer's defense. Their one dimensional three point shooters are quality there, where they'd be chuckers here.

He puts everyone in a position to do what the do well the best that they can. He's a great player. Swap him for Chauncey and the Knicks are the favorite to win the title. He was a key piece on Team USA in Turkey, which is a big endorsement

Deng was getting busy in the playoffs with Skiles/Hinrich/Nocioni/Ben Gordon going up against the Heat pushing them to the limits and then sweeping them. He's been injured past couple of seasons

You can swap Billups out with a few pg's(CP3/Nash/Deron/Rondo/Lawson/Parker/WestBrook) and we probably fair better. Unless we played D, we'd still have problems. You can only score so much

Deron made Korver an Elite threat and Boozer was made before Chi-Town...everyone else just looks steady on their team while he nuts off.

SupremeCommander @ 4/13/2011 1:08 AM
Juice wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:He is their offense. He lets everyone focus on what they're good at. Luol Deng suddenly went from rdiduclously overpaid to great piece. Joakim Noah is considered untouchable. Nobody compains about Carlos Boozer's defense. Their one dimensional three point shooters are quality there, where they'd be chuckers here.

He puts everyone in a position to do what the do well the best that they can. He's a great player. Swap him for Chauncey and the Knicks are the favorite to win the title. He was a key piece on Team USA in Turkey, which is a big endorsement

Deng was getting busy in the playoffs with Skiles/Hinrich/Nocioni/Ben Gordon going up against the Heat pushing them to the limits and then sweeping them. He's been injured past couple of seasons

You can swap Billups out with a few pg's(CP3/Nash/Deron/Rondo/Lawson/Parker/WestBrook) and we probably fair better. Unless we played D, we'd still have problems. You can only score so much

Deron made Korver and Elite threat and Boozer was made before Chi-Town...everyone else just looks steady on their team while get nuts off.

All the Bulls are are operating at their peak. I think Thibs deserves credit, but so does the top guy. Teams assume the identity of their best player.

Let's swap one Rose out with another scoring point. How many games does Chicago win with Devin Harris running the point?

nixluva @ 4/13/2011 1:36 AM
I'm not that impressed with the Bulls. I see a problem for them in a series, cuz eventually you can slow down one player and he's pretty much all they've got. Rose is pretty much their whole attack offensively. The Bulls didn't do much when he wasn't in the game. I just think that the Bulls are a solid team, but not a spectacular one. If we are fortunate enough to get past the Celtics I think we'd be very competitive against the Bulls.
Juice @ 4/13/2011 1:40 AM
nixluva wrote:I'm not that impressed with the Bulls. I see a problem for them in a series, cuz eventually you can slow down one player and he's pretty much all they've got. Rose is pretty much their whole attack offensively. The Bulls didn't do much when he wasn't in the game. I just think that the Bulls are a solid team, but not a spectacular one. If we are fortunate enough to get past the Celtics I think we'd be very competitive against the Bulls.

If is was that easy they wouldn't have won 60+gms. What they've been able to hang their hat on is DEFENSE...go look this word up in the dictionary and familiarize yourself with it. The best players will play the most minutes assuming the refs don't take hold on a series.

Doesn't mean they'll win it all but they have the best chance as any in the East.

Mray20 @ 4/13/2011 2:17 AM
BigSm00th wrote:
Mray20 wrote:Rose is a scorer at the point guard position not a facilitator , it's true he did not want Lebron which makes him seem like he wants to be the man to me. He relies heavily on his athleticism and mark my words if he gets a knee injury or just as he gets older you will see a dramatic decline in his production. The Bulls do not scare me they look like dog crap when Rose goes to the bench.

sounds a lot like what people used to say about Jordan.

bulls play ferocious D. they are well-coached. everyone knows their role. they have size. rose is the best PLAYER in the league. they are gonna make noise.

Jordan was a 6'6 shooting guard when he lost some of his speed and athletic ability he was still big enough and strong enough to shoot over the top of any guard and post up, I get what you're saying but please don't mention Jordan and Rose in the same sentence.

Killa4luv @ 4/13/2011 8:10 AM
Juice wrote:
BlueSeats wrote:He's Toney Douglas on steroids and cocaine.

What was Stephon on early in his career?

D. Rose is alot like Marbury early in his career. Not as good of a facilatator, but bigger, better scorer.

D. Rose is not the MVP. He's not the best PG. He's the best player on the team with the best record, a team that has an average offense and a sick defense. He is like Allen Iverson in his MVP season.

The MVP award has never been the same sense Steve Nash won it twice. Its more like a flavor of the month award. The league likes to give the MVP to different players because its good marketing.

Is D. Rose more valuable to his team than D. Howard? Does he have better numbers than Lebron? Plug Deron Williams on that team and they do just as well. Maybe better.

Rose is a beast. He's not MVP.

misterearl @ 4/13/2011 8:13 AM
Juice wrote:Honest question

The D-Ride on this kid this yr has surpassed Steve Nash levels of nausea

I honestly think Rose teammates make him better....I really do

He is a good player and can do some very dynamic things but I see Russell Westbrook do a lot of the same things and not as much whacking going on about the kid. If Rose played with Durant I wonder how things would be

Derrick Rose makes the Bulls more dangerous than any team in the east.

That is all that matters.

Ask not what the Thunder would be with Rose. Ask if you would refuse Rose an orange and blue uniform with his last name stitched on the back.

SupremeCommander @ 4/13/2011 8:14 AM
This is ffrom Elias Sports Bureau:

Derrick Rose scored 26 points on Tuesday giving him more than 2,000 for the season. Rose is only the third player in the past 30 years to have 2,000 points and 600 assists in one season. LeBron James did that in 2009-10 and Michael Jordan did it in 1988-89.

So let's say for sake of discussion that no one plays better as a result of Derrick Rose. Who cares? That is elite indivual production.

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