Knicks · Plan of Action for NYK (page 1)
Trade: Billups, Rautins and second rounder for Chris Kaman. Second trade Douglas and Fields for Mayo.
FA: Sign TJ Ford
Lineup:
Melo sf
Amare pf
Kaman C
Mayo sg
Ford pg
Bench:
Smith
Shawne
Jordan
Brown
Sheldon
Walker
Most important move get a new coach that is defense oriented.
Knixkik wrote:Getting a new coach does not solve anything unless there are better options, and there aren't. Finding a nice assistant who knows defense would benefit though. I think we have many different options and the one you proposed is a decent idea. Going hard after Nash is a real option this summer. Also, i think going after Sessions and Varejao is another option. I think both options mean we trade Billups, our draft pick, Douglas (or Fields, but hopefully not) and cash. Which is a better option?I think there are better options. I also think that you have to look at guys like Monty Williams and Frank Vogel and look what they have done this year. Maybe there is an assistant out there that will step up and be successful. Maybe there is a d-league uy that could blow up in the NBA. Look at some of the playoff coaches this year, Collins, Williams, and Vogel. They all have shown a lot this year and I don't think anyone expected them to have the success that they all have had. The Knicks don't win anything with D'Antoni. He has been blessed by Walsh's loyalty, a fan base that has lost for so long that mediocrity seems good, and a ton of excuses. It is time to move on in my opinion.
The meltdown in Orlando doesn't help, but I think he is a guy that would be defensive minded, demand energy out of his players and be ok with a traditional center.
Offense with Amare and Carmelo isn't a problem.
Getting stops, and grabbing boards is, and I think Ewing would be the kind of coach to fix these.
And I agree about buying as many picks as we can- and getting some hungry role players in.
nykshaknbake wrote:who are the FA PGs this year? I'm not sure Ford or sessions are what we really need. Our best option unfortunately may be to have Billups back at a reduced price.
Point Guard
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
Aaron Brooks, Phoenix Suns - $2.0 million – Restricted ($3.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Andre Miller, Portland Trail Blazers - $7.3 million – Team Option ($7.8 million)
Mo Williams, LA Clippers - $9.3 million – Early Termination Option ($8.3 million)
Goran Dragic, Houston Rockets - $2.0 million – Team Option ($2.1 million)
Leandro Barbosa, Toronto Raptors - $7.1 million – Player Option ($7.6 million)
Rodney Stuckey, Detroit Pistons - $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.9 million Qualifying Offer)
T.J. Ford, Indiana Pacers - $8.5 million – Unrestricted
Carlos Arroyo, Boston Celtics - $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Ronnie Price, Utah Jazz - $1.3 million - Unrestricted
Patrick Mills, Portland Trail Blazers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Sasha Vujacic, New Jersey Nets - $5.5 million – Unrestricted
Sebastian Telfair, Minnesota Timberwolves - $2.7 million – Unrestricted
Luther Head, Sacramento Kings - $1.0 million - Unrestricted
Charlie Bell, Golden State Warriors - $3.9 million – Early Termination Option ($4.1 million)
Willie Green, New Orleans Hornets - $4.0 million - Unrestricted
Mario Chalmers, Miami HEAT - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jason Williams, Memphis Grizzlies - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Earl Watson, Utah Jazz – $1.2 million - Unrestricted
Pooh Jeter, Sacramento Kings - $0.5 million – Team Option ($0.8 million)
Jose Barea, Dallas Mavericks - $1.7 million – Unrestricted
Sundiata Gaines, Minnesota Timberwolves - $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
Chris Quinn, San Antonio Spurs - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
Royal Ivey, Oklahoma City Thunder - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
Marcus Banks, New Orleans Hornets - $4.9 million - Unrestricted
Earl Boykins, Milwaukee Bucks - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Anthony Carter, Denver Nuggets - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Acie Law, Golden State Warriors - $0.7 million - Unrestricted
John Lucas, Chicago Bulls - $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
Ben Uzoh, New Jersey Nets - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Shooting Guard
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
Ray Allen, Boston Celtics - $10.0 million – Player Option ($10.0 million)
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic - $14.4 million - Unrestricted
Jamal Crawford, Atlanta Hawks - $10.1 million – Unrestricted
Arron Afflalo, Denver Nuggets - $2.0 million – Restricted ($2.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Wilson Chandler, Denver Nuggets - $2.1 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Shannon Brown, L.A. Lakers - $2.1 million – Player Option ($2.4 million)
C.J. Miles, Utah Jazz - $3.7 million – Team Option ($3.7 million)
J.R. Smith, Denver Nuggets - $6.0 million – Unrestricted
DeShawn Stevenson, Dallas Mavericks - $4.2 million – Unrestricted
Mike Dunleavy, Indiana Pacers - $10.6 million – Unrestricted
Chris Douglas-Roberts, Milwaukee Bucks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Nick Young, Washington Wizards - $2.6 million – Restricted ($3.7 million Qualifying Offer)
Sonny Weems, Toronto Raptors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Mo Evans, Washington Wizards - $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Daequan Cook, Oklahoma City Thunder - $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Anthony Parker, Cleveland Cavaliers - $2.9 million – Unrestricted
Eddie House, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million – Player Option ($1.4 million)
Marquis Daniels, Boston Celtics - $2.5 million – Unrestricted
Marcus Thornton, Sacramento Kings - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Morris Peterson, Oklahoma City Thunder - $6.2 million - Unrestricted
Roger Mason, New York Knicks - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Marco Belinelli, New Orleans Hornets - $2.4 million – Restricted ($3.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Gary Forbes, Denver Nuggets - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks - $18.3 million - Unrestricted
Delonte West, Boston Celtics - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Stephen Graham, New Jersey Nets - $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Dominic McGuire, Charlotte Bobcats - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Alonzo Gee, Washington Wizards - $0.6 million – Unrestricted*
Jeremy Lin, Golden State Warriors - $0.5 million – Team Option ($0.8 million)
Von Wafer, Boston Celtics - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Small Forward
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
Caron Butler, Dallas Mavericks - $10.8 million – Unrestricted
Thaddeus Young, Philadelphia 76ers - $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns - $3.2 million - Unrestricted
Tayshaun Prince, Detroit Pistons – $11.1 million – Unrestricted
Shane Battier, Memphis Grizzlies - $7.4 million - Unrestricted
Reggie Williams, Golden State Warriors - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
James Jones, Miami HEAT - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Al Thornton, Golden State Warriors - $2.8 million – Restricted ($3.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Jason Kapono, Philadelphia 76ers - $6.6 million - Unrestricted
Josh Howard, Washington Wizards - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
Rasual Butler, Chicago Bulls - $2.4 million - Unrestricted
Jamario Moon, LA Clippers - $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Julian Wright, Toronto Raptors - $2.9 million – Restricted ($4.0 million Qualifying Offer)
Peja Stojakovic, Dallas Mavericks - $14.3 million - Unrestricted
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic - $1.9 million – Unrestricted
Kelenna Azubuike, New York Knicks - $3.3 million - Unrestricted
Quinton Ross, New Jersey Nets - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Shawne Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Ime Udoka, San Antonio Spurs - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
Vladimir Radmanovic, Golden State Warriors - $6.9 million - Unrestricted
Joey Graham, Cleveland Cavaliers - $1.0 million – Team Option ($1.1 million)
Jawad Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers - $1.1 million – Unrestricted*
Rodney Carney, Golden State Warriors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Jeremy Evans, Utah Jazz - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DaJuan Summers, Detroit Pistons - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Damien Wilkins, Atlanta Hawks - $0.8 million – Unrestricted
Steve Novak, Dallas Mavericks - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
Derrick Brown, New York Knicks - $0.7 million – Unrestricted*
Darnell Jackson, Sacramento Kings - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Cartier Martin, Washington Wizards - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Power Forward
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
Zach Randolph, Memphis Grizzlies - $17.3 million – Unrestricted
David West, New Orleans Hornets - $8.3 million – Early Termination Option ($7.5 million)
Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs - $18.8 million – Early Termination Option ($21.1 million)
Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz - $17.8 million - Unrestricted
Jeff Green, Boston Celtics - $4.5 million – Restricted ($5.9 million Qualifying Offer)
Boris Diaw, Charlotte Bobcats - $9.0 million – Player Option ($9.0 million)
Troy Murphy, Boston Celtics - $12.0 million – Unrestricted
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
Kenyon Martin, Denver Nuggets - $16.5 million – Unrestricted
Glen Davis, Boston Celtics – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Ronny Turiaf, New York Knicks - $4.2 million – Player Option ($4.1 million)
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets - $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Reggie Evans, Toronto Raptors - $5.1 million – Unrestricted
Louis Amundson, Golden State Warriors – $2.2 million – Player Option ($2.4 million)
Chuck Hayes, Houston Rockets - $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Yi Jianlian, Washington Wizards - $4.1 million – Restricted ($5.4 million Qualifying Offer)
Josh McRoberts, Indiana Pacers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jared Jeffries, New York Knicks - $6.9 million - Unrestricted
Luc Mbah a Moute, Milwaukee Bucks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Jason Smith, New Orleans Hornets - $2.2 million – Restricted ($3.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Craig Smith, L.A. Clippers - $2.3 million – Unrestricted
Dante Cunningham, Charlotte Bobcats - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Joey Dorsey, Toronto Raptors - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Joe Smith, L.A. Lakers - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Malik Allen, Orlando Magic - $1.2 million - Unrestricted
Jonas Jerebko, Detroit Pistons - $0.8 million – Unrestricted*
Sam Young, Memphis Grizzlies - $0.9 million – Team Option ($0.9 million)
Juwan Howard, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Brandan Wright, New Jersey Nets - $3.4 million – Restricted ($4.6 million Qualifying Offer)
Darius Songaila, Philadelphia 76ers - $4.8 million - Unrestricted
Leon Powe, Boston Celtics - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Shelden Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
Chris Wilcox, Detroit Pistons - $3.0 million – Unrestricted
Sean Marks, Portland Trail Blazers - $1.3 million - Unrestricted
DJ Mbenga, New Orleans Hornets - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
Brian Skinner, Milwaukee Bucks - $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Hamady Ndiaye, Washington Wizards - $0.5 million – Unrestricted*
DeMarre Carroll, Memphis Grizzlies - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Solomon Jones, Indiana Pacers - $1.5 million - Unrestricted
Brian Cardinal, Dallas Mavericks - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Brian Scalabrine, Chicago Bulls - $1.2 million - Unrestricted
Josh Powell, Atlanta Hawks - $1.0 million – Unrestricted
Melvin Ely, Denver Nuggets - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
Center
(name, team – 2010-11 salary – status)
Nene, Denver Nuggets - $11.4 million – Early Termination Option ($11.6 million)
Marc Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies - $3.6 million – Unrestricted*
Tyson Chandler, Dallas Mavericks - $12.6 million – Unrestricted
Yao Ming, Houston Rockets - $17.7 million - Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Charlotte Bobcats - $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Samuel Dalembert, Sacramento Kings – $13.4 million - Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers - $6.8 million – Restricted ($8.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Spencer Hawes, Philadelphia 76ers - $3.0 million – Restricted ($4.1 million Qualifying Offer)
Nenad Krstic, Boston Celtics - $5.7 million – Unrestricted
Earl Barron, Phoenix Suns - $0.8 million - Unrestricted
Tony Battie, Philadelphia 76ers - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Kyrylo Fesenko, Utah Jazz - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
Erick Dampier, Miami HEAT - $1.1 million - Unrestricted
Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers - $6.7 million - Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Charlotte Bobcats - $6.9 million – Unrestricted
DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Kurt Thomas, Chicago Bulls - $1.4 million – Unrestricted
Francisco Elson, Utah Jazz - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Hilton Armstrong, Atlanta Hawks - $0.9 million - Unrestricted
Aaron Gray, New Orleans Hornets - $0.9 million – Player Option ($0.9 million)
Jamaal Magloire, Miami HEAT - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Dan Gadzuric, New Jersey Nets - $7.2 million - Unrestricted
Ryan Hollins, Cleveland Cavaliers - $2.3 million – Player Option ($2.5 million)
Kwame Brown, Charlotte Bobcats - $1.3 million – Unrestricted
Theo Ratliff, L.A. Lakers - $1.4 million - Unrestricted
Etan Thomas, Atlanta Hawks - $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Jarron Collins, L.A. Clippers - $1.2 million - Unrestricted
Jason Collins, Atlanta Hawks - $1.2 million – Unrestricted
Eddy Curry, New York Knicks - $11.3 million - Unrestricted
Hamed Haddadi, Memphis Grizzlies - $1.8 million – Unrestricted*
Alexis Ajinca, Dallas Mavericks - $1.5 million – Unrestricted
I think the below list is what Walsh is going to go after. Billups needs to be bought out in order to make this team playoff worthy. Hopefully Ronny opts out and free up some additional cap room.
Point Guard
T.J. Ford, Indiana Pacers - $8.5 million – Unrestricted
SG
Jason Richardson, Orlando Magic - $14.4 million - Unrestricted
Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks - $18.3 million - Unrestricted (sign for 1MM veteran minimum)
Delonte West, Boston Celtics - $1.1 million – Unrestricted
Grant Hill, Phoenix Suns - $3.2 million - Unrestricted
SF
Earl Clark, Orlando Magic - $1.9 million – Unrestricted (Could be the value play longterm to get him on the cheap)
Shawne Williams, New York Knicks - $0.9 million – Unrestricted
PF
Carl Landry, New Orleans Hornets - $3.0 million - Unrestricted
Glen Davis, Boston Celtics – $3.3 million – Unrestricted
Kris Humphries, New Jersey Nets - $3.2 million – Unrestricted
Reggie Evans, Toronto Raptors - $5.1 million – Unrestricted
Center
Tyson Chandler, Dallas Mavericks - $12.6 million – Unrestricted
Joel Przybilla, Charlotte Bobcats - $7.4 million – Unrestricted
Samuel Dalembert, Sacramento Kings – $13.4 million - Unrestricted
Greg Oden, Portland Trail Blazers - $6.8 million – Restricted ($8.8 million Qualifying Offer)
Jeff Foster, Indiana Pacers - $6.7 million - Unrestricted
Nazr Mohammed, Charlotte Bobcats - $6.9 million – Unrestricted
DeAndre Jordan, L.A. Clippers - $0.9 million – Unrestricted*
Aaron Gray, New Orleans Hornets - $0.9 million – Player Option ($0.9 million)
My guess is that a majority of the Player Option guys will opt-in because of potential shortened season.
Vmart wrote:Draft: Nolan Smithso please... aside from rarely being healthy do tell what Kaman brings that OK4 does not. And you want defense but our backcourt is smaller than most high school teams. OKTrade: Billups, Rautins and second rounder for Chris Kaman. Second trade Douglas and Fields for Mayo.
FA: Sign TJ Ford
Lineup:
Melo sf
Amare pf
Kaman C
Mayo sg
Ford pgBench:
Smith
Shawne
Jordan
Brown
Sheldon
WalkerMost important move get a new coach that is defense oriented.
franco12 wrote:I don't know why Ewing doesn't get more love as a potential successor to MDA.The meltdown in Orlando doesn't help, but I think he is a guy that would be defensive minded, demand energy out of his players and be ok with a traditional center.
Offense with Amare and Carmelo isn't a problem.
Getting stops, and grabbing boards is, and I think Ewing would be the kind of coach to fix these.
And I agree about buying as many picks as we can- and getting some hungry role players in.
We don't have a roster built on this.
Thibs was top duputy dog and given a lot of cred toward building bostons defense. And look at the players he had to work with.
Orlando has Dwight.
Im good with bringing Dwight and ewing can tag along if that what it takes.
Ewing can't bring what he bought as a player. He is not playing!
fishmike wrote:Vmart wrote:Draft: Nolan Smithso please... aside from rarely being healthy do tell what Kaman brings that OK4 does not. And you want defense but our backcourt is smaller than most high school teams. OKTrade: Billups, Rautins and second rounder for Chris Kaman. Second trade Douglas and Fields for Mayo.
FA: Sign TJ Ford
Lineup:
Melo sf
Amare pf
Kaman C
Mayo sg
Ford pgBench:
Smith
Shawne
Jordan
Brown
Sheldon
WalkerMost important move get a new coach that is defense oriented.
I'm not against OK4 my only concern with OK4 is his true lack of height. With Amare and OK4 you field an undersized lineup. As for Kaman he brings the all important expiring contract just in case it doesn't work out he is 7' tall you can't teach size.
Since he is coming of a big contract maybe we can get him for the MLE for 2 years?
unstopaball12 wrote:i like Jrich... good 3 point shooter looks like a tough guy... lets see how much will he command, maybe oralando wants to try arenas at the 2 no way will they pay him max money to be a 6th manSince he is coming of a big contract maybe we can get him for the MLE for 2 years?
I think JRich is good value for a team for the MLE... but perhaps just not in NY.
1) Is JRich just gonna sign for the MLE? I guess there is an underlying assumption that ORL doesn't want him back? Or he can't get more $ someplace else? Dallas needs a SG.
2) Is JRich at $6+m better than developing Fields for another year and waiting to spend FA money on a long term PG or C?
martin wrote:unstopaball12 wrote:i like Jrich... good 3 point shooter looks like a tough guy... lets see how much will he command, maybe oralando wants to try arenas at the 2 no way will they pay him max money to be a 6th manSince he is coming of a big contract maybe we can get him for the MLE for 2 years?
I think JRich is good value for a team for the MLE... but perhaps just not in NY.
1) Is JRich just gonna sign for the MLE? I guess there is an underlying assumption that ORL doesn't want him back? Or he can't get more $ someplace else? Dallas needs a SG.
2) Is JRich at $6+m better than developing Fields for another year and waiting to spend FA money on a long term PG or C?
im with you on this. here's the thing - i dont believe we solve either problem this coming year (longterm PG or C) b/c the pool to pick from is pretty weak if you ask me. we all know the big prizes for what we need are 2 yrs out still (dhoward & cp3 or deron) so i believe we must go through another transition year before we get to where we wanna be. so what can we fix now? easy - defensive intensity. get some veteran players that will help get this team to being more defensive minded (a def asst coach would help also). i think dantoni learned a valuable lesson in this year's playoffs - offense dont win games, defense does. the fact that he took a 180 on his SSOL for the playoffs says something to me. so, if he adjusts in the beginning of next year and you see a more defensive minded philosophy, i'm cool witha that. if not, he goes.
for those of us that are realistic in terms of the knicks development, we know that we are still 2 yrs out from making any type of meaningful run to the finals, assuming we get dhoward and cp3/deron). this is why keeping walsh is so important. he will madk smart moves to get us the fillers we need to be competitive and remain cap friendly'ish until its all sorted out before we add the final pieces for the 2012-2013 season.
so, if i were donnie, how would i get us there?
- i would keep melo, amare, but everyone else i would use to make my club better.
- i would keep fields for another year to see if he continues to devleop.
- i would try to pick up shane battier (no evil, you are not the only one who thinks he would be great on this team).
- i would try to land oden on a much reduced contract or pick him up as a one year rental. if he gets hurt, i am in no worse shape than i was before him. or, here's where you can get a deandre jordan or whatever.
- i would try to rid us of chauncey's contract for next year b/c the guy just does not want to be here. do not pick up his option and buy him out for a shade uner $4M then move on.
- if a guy like nash becomes available for cheap or mid season rental, i would do that. i would not commit real money to steve nash b/c it reduces my chances for going after cp3/deron hard when they come up on the block.
- last but not least, i do everything possible to make NY an attractive landing area for dhoward. this guy will not stay in orlando, ESPECIALLY if the hawks continue to tear the magic apart and out of the playoffs this year. i do not believe howard will go to LA as kobe is old and phil jax aint coming back. he would be worse off than he is today in orlando.
so, in 2 yrs, i go to war with:
PG: cp3/deron - we will get one of them.
SG: battier
SF: melo
PF: amear
C: dhoward
that squasd wins a championship. fill in the bench as needed. hopefully fileds will be around to round out my bench as a 6th man. that is a role i see him built for. he is not a starter.
LASTLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY - - - I WOULD NOT DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD JEOPORDIZE ME GETTING THE AFOREMENTIONED STARTING 5 ON MY ROSTER. no starphucking, no signing anymore bad contracts, etc.
i'm sure that the salary cap and other things come into play, but i am more sure that if donnie does the right things, which he will most likely do, then we will have this line-up. only x factor is howard. but for some reason, i see him out of orlando and quick.