I was ok with the risks of the trade because I thought that the odds of building something great around melo and amear were greater than building something great around that team – and it’s cap space and picks.
In the playoffs, the players we gave up did the following:
Gallinari 30mpg 12ppg 43% fg 4fta 3rpg 2apg
Felton 30mpg 12ppg 36% fg 5fta 2rpg 4apg
Chandler 23mpg 5ppg 28% fg 2fta 4rpg 0apg
Mosgov all 0’s
While melo did the following:
Melo 39mpg 26ppg 38% fg 9fta 10rpg 5apg
this is what I expected. I think the guys we gave up are “all right” support players but not the kind of players to rise up in the playoffs. They’d be fine as bench guys or the one weakest starter on their team.
Are they still young? Could they get better? absolutely. But you have to look at the body of evidence and make your judgment and then take your risk either way.
Melo, as we know, produced in the playoffs. Even under conditions where he was getting next to no support and was being keyed in. you put him out there with a healthy amear and chauncey, and another excellent player and some capable role players – I’m good to go with that. I much more trust in that than rolling the dice on the development of the traded guys.
A star player put up better numbers than role players.
How surprising.
If we can get players arond Melo and Amare then the deal is good. If we are stuck with mediocre players to surround Amare and Melo then it is bad. We are trying to build a team. We were a few players away from a very good team with the team pre-trade. Now, we need 3 more starters and at least 3 more bench players.
Looking forward to Billups being on this team next year after an entire off season and training camp with this organization. The key with him at this stage in his career is health, as it is with most guys in their mid 30s. Good health along with improved chemistry will be huge.
No doubt, the problem is the particular role players on our current roster. In order to make the Melo trade tactically smart we now must build out the roster around him and Stat. While I hated getting swept, I figured we go down to the Celtics in five or six. It really doesn't matter, we got to see what Melo will be doing in the spring and it looked outstanding. Too bad Amare and Chauncey broke down in the first round. Shyte happens.
Let's get Donnie Walnuts signed to an extension ad keep this train moving.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Looking forward to Billups being on this team next year after an entire off season and training camp with this organization. The key with him at this stage in his career is health, as it is with most guys in their mid 30s. Good health along with improved chemistry will be huge.
rest for entire off season and training camp definitely key
Excellent post Marv. Getting Melo was a Big move.
Billups - I see no reason he can't come back strong and healthy next year. A number of the stars his age or older have done well this year and stayed healthy. Nash, Kidd, Ray Allen, Pierce, Grant Hill, Garnett, etc.
If we can replace 80 percent of the production we lost from the players we traded, we are a significantly better team.
Where would we even be able to get a player that is 80 percent as good as Melo?
I think the issue was not if Melo was better than those guys but that those guys are the perfect complimentary players for a team built around STAT and Melo. Obviously, you have to give up something to get something and the Knicks did just that. The problem was that they gave up all the depth that they had accumulated. Now they need to go get depth again.
To that end, Chandler may come back to give some depth.
All the Knicks that were traded did very little in the playoffs, but I think everyone agreed they were complimentary players no?
We were the top scoring team in the NBA. Production wasnt really the problem was it? I thought this was all about winning, and you need stars in win late in games, you need stars to win in the playoffs and you need stars to win titles.
you guys have seen Melo for 4 playoff games now. You guys see him has the key piece to a title caliber team? And why? What did you think of his playoff performance as Knick vs. his playoff performances with the Nuggs?
Silverfuel wrote:Marv wrote:Melo, as we know, produced in the playoffs. Even under conditions where he was getting next to no support and was being keyed in. you put him out there with a healthy amear and chauncey, and another excellent player and some capable role players – I’m good to go with that. I much more trust in that than rolling the dice on the development of the traded guys.
good post Marv.
sorry guys.. I gotta say it. What did he produce again?
Gallo is a superstar and Chandler is an allstar they are just coming off of injuries.
fishmike wrote:Silverfuel wrote:Marv wrote:Melo, as we know, produced in the playoffs. Even under conditions where he was getting next to no support and was being keyed in. you put him out there with a healthy amear and chauncey, and another excellent player and some capable role players – I’m good to go with that. I much more trust in that than rolling the dice on the development of the traded guys.
good post Marv.
sorry guys.. I gotta say it. What did he produce again?
sorry fishmike, but I have to ask. What were your expectations from him?
Marv wrote:I was ok with the risks of the trade because I thought that the odds of building something great around melo and amear were greater than building something great around that team – and it’s cap space and picks.In the playoffs, the players we gave up did the following:
Gallinari 30mpg 12ppg 43% fg 4fta 3rpg 2apg
Felton 30mpg 12ppg 36% fg 5fta 2rpg 4apg
Chandler 23mpg 5ppg 28% fg 2fta 4rpg 0apg
Mosgov all 0’s
While melo did the following:
Melo 39mpg 26ppg 38% fg 9fta 10rpg 5apg
this is what I expected. I think the guys we gave up are “all right” support players but not the kind of players to rise up in the playoffs. They’d be fine as bench guys or the one weakest starter on their team.
Are they still young? Could they get better? absolutely. But you have to look at the body of evidence and make your judgment and then take your risk either way.
Melo, as we know, produced in the playoffs. Even under conditions where he was getting next to no support and was being keyed in. you put him out there with a healthy amear and chauncey, and another excellent player and some capable role players – I’m good to go with that. I much more trust in that than rolling the dice on the development of the traded guys.
Marv, is this your Melo "value" statement of where you stand?
Melo is the best player in the trade. No doubt. BUT...How are you going to build this team now? We need a starting center. We need a starting PG after this year. We need a SG that compliments Melo. We need a bench. The team before the trade is 1-2 players away.
fishmike wrote:All the Knicks that were traded did very little in the playoffs, but I think everyone agreed they were complimentary players no?We were the top scoring team in the NBA. Production wasnt really the problem was it? I thought this was all about winning, and you need stars in win late in games, you need stars to win in the playoffs and you need stars to win titles.
you guys have seen Melo for 4 playoff games now. You guys see him has the key piece to a title caliber team? And why? What did you think of his playoff performance as Knick vs. his playoff performances with the Nuggs?
I think the majority agreed that they were complimentary pieces, but a lot guys went even further by saying we gave up too much when we really didn't. Mosgov getting all 0s justifies him worth being the extra piece Denver asked for.
Silverfuel wrote:fishmike wrote:Silverfuel wrote:Marv wrote:Melo, as we know, produced in the playoffs. Even under conditions where he was getting next to no support and was being keyed in. you put him out there with a healthy amear and chauncey, and another excellent player and some capable role players – I’m good to go with that. I much more trust in that than rolling the dice on the development of the traded guys.
good post Marv.
sorry guys.. I gotta say it. What did he produce again?
sorry fishmike, but I have to ask. What were your expectations from him?
why sorry?
the only specific expectations I had were that if the games were tight as the first two were that Melo's ablilty to close would get us a win. Before the series I predicted we lose 4-1 only winning a meaningless game 4 at the garden. I just thought Boston was a terrible matchup for us every which way. I would have given the Knicks a good chance to win against Orl, Chi or Mia, but Bos was just a bad matchup. Like the Twins getting the Yanks or something.
I would give him a D for Boston series. I was fine with games 2,3 and 4. Game 2 was obviously great. Games 3-4 execution was poor but he played hard, he tried to get teammates involved, he rebounded, etc... winning just wasnt in the cards.
Game 1 upset me. Not because he didnt play well, but his effort was poor, plain and simle. Your first playoff game as a Knick and he treated it like a YMCA game on a Tues night when its more about hitting the pub afterwards.
The 5-18 shooting was bad, but that happens. EVERY player has that happen, and I dont have a problem there. But dont great players find other ways to impact the game? Or when your shot isnt falling whats the #1 rule? Attack the basket and get to the line. Melo took 4 FTs and pulled down 4 rebounds. Thats totally unacceptable and if we get anything from him in that game we win game one and things look a bit different. Yes he was in foul trouble but what did he contribute in his 30+ minutes? Terrible.
Guys... I still havent heard from anyone. Silver? Marvelous? What did you think of Melo's performance in his first Knicks playoffs?
And Nalod.. can you trim that photo? Jesus!
The Knicks getting swept by Boston doesn't make me feel at ease regarding the possibility that maybe we could have won a few games against Miami.
As for Chicago, Atlanta, and Orlando it doesn't really matter because we're not as bad as an 8 seed and weren't good enough this year for a 4 or 5 spot.
JrZyHuStLa wrote:fishmike wrote:All the Knicks that were traded did very little in the playoffs, but I think everyone agreed they were complimentary players no?We were the top scoring team in the NBA. Production wasnt really the problem was it? I thought this was all about winning, and you need stars in win late in games, you need stars to win in the playoffs and you need stars to win titles.
you guys have seen Melo for 4 playoff games now. You guys see him has the key piece to a title caliber team? And why? What did you think of his playoff performance as Knick vs. his playoff performances with the Nuggs?
I think the majority agreed that they were complimentary pieces, but a lot guys went even further by saying we gave up too much when we really didn't. Mosgov getting all 0s justifies him worth being the extra piece Denver asked for.
If Karl played Mosgov Denver wins that series. OKC only won because of poor coaching
they were complimentary pieces but good ones, and they showed they could win games agaisnt elite NBA teams, and on the road no less. We overpaid not only in players, but in flexibility. We gave up a ton for player that wanted to play here AND we had cap space to sign. Thats just nuts man.... Melo should have cost us Chandler. Not Gallo, Mos, Felton, AR, picks, etc
I get that your hungry, but why pay $100 for a burger that will cost you $5 next week?
We got hosed because Dolan couldnt wait to get him and raise ticket prices. Is there any debate on that?
