I went with Jimmer. One thing that goes overlooked is that in MDA's system you need a guard that is a constant threat. One of the things that makes Nash so good besides the great court vision is that he's a deadly shooter. Since he got to PHX he's shot 50% and over 40% from 3!!! That is a scary thing for a PG who has the ball all the time and shoots at that kind of clip. So you have to pay constant attention to him and that's why guys are always so open. Teams must be in fear of the PG either driving or shooting at all times. Jimmer is that kind of player.
Yea he's a scorer, but that's the point. You want him to score and be a threat. The other guys will thrive off the attention he gets. I believe he's smart enough to learn from MDA and get the ball to his teammates when teams double him.
I don't have a problem with MDA or his system going forward. His system is far more than PnR, but it's just the most prominent aspect of the offense. The reason you run PnR is that for bigs like STAT, Turiaf and even Jared it's a high % way to score. The problem isn't the PnR but the manner in which the team actually executes the play. Our PG's have been so bad at doing it that they only do it in the most obvious and rudimentary way. That won't work against top NBA defense. It's easy to shut down. You have to run the play with more deception. This is why even tho people knew Stockton was gonna run PnR, they couldn't stop it or Nash in the same way. What also helps is having more to your team than just that play. Now that we have Melo we have more ways to attack teams and they can't solely focus on PnR. So if we can add a PG that has more talent to not only run the team, but score the ball it's only gonna enhance the system. Meanwhile we need to add size but I don't see us using the draft to find that size. I see more talent at guard and I think that's where Donnie will go.
We'll solve our need for bigs in Free Agency.
nixluva wrote:I went with Jimmer. One thing that goes overlooked is that in MDA's system you need a guard that is a constant threat. One of the things that makes Nash so good besides the great court vision is that he's a deadly shooter. Since he got to PHX he's shot 50% and over 40% from 3!!! That is a scary thing for a PG who has the ball all the time and shoots at that kind of clip. So you have to pay constant attention to him and that's why guys are always so open. Teams must be in fear of the PG either driving or shooting at all times. Jimmer is that kind of player.
Yea he's a scorer, but that's the point. You want him to score and be a threat. The other guys will thrive off the attention he gets. I believe he's smart enough to learn from MDA and get the ball to his teammates when teams double him.
not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.
martin wrote:nixluva wrote:I went with Jimmer. One thing that goes overlooked is that in MDA's system you need a guard that is a constant threat. One of the things that makes Nash so good besides the great court vision is that he's a deadly shooter. Since he got to PHX he's shot 50% and over 40% from 3!!! That is a scary thing for a PG who has the ball all the time and shoots at that kind of clip. So you have to pay constant attention to him and that's why guys are always so open. Teams must be in fear of the PG either driving or shooting at all times. Jimmer is that kind of player.
Yea he's a scorer, but that's the point. You want him to score and be a threat. The other guys will thrive off the attention he gets. I believe he's smart enough to learn from MDA and get the ball to his teammates when teams double him.
not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.
Yeah that is an issue, but almost no top PG's are truly able to defend another without help. If you're gonna stop a guy like Rose it's gonna be a team effort. That's why I don't go too crazy over that aspect of things. There are other options i'd find acceptable that have more physical ability, but i'd still favor one of the guards in this draft. Selby is one i'd have no problem with. Jackson or Smith are possibilities.
martin wrote:not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.
I totally agree.We need speed and athleticism and multiply that by 100 for the PG spot.
nixluva wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:I went with Jimmer. One thing that goes overlooked is that in MDA's system you need a guard that is a constant threat. One of the things that makes Nash so good besides the great court vision is that he's a deadly shooter. Since he got to PHX he's shot 50% and over 40% from 3!!! That is a scary thing for a PG who has the ball all the time and shoots at that kind of clip. So you have to pay constant attention to him and that's why guys are always so open. Teams must be in fear of the PG either driving or shooting at all times. Jimmer is that kind of player.
Yea he's a scorer, but that's the point. You want him to score and be a threat. The other guys will thrive off the attention he gets. I believe he's smart enough to learn from MDA and get the ball to his teammates when teams double him.
not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.
Yeah that is an issue, but almost no top PG's are truly able to defend another without help. If you're gonna stop a guy like Rose it's gonna be a team effort. That's why I don't go too crazy over that aspect of things. There are other options i'd find acceptable that have more physical ability, but i'd still favor one of the guards in this draft. Selby is one i'd have no problem with. Jackson or Smith are possibilities.
no one can defend Rose. but to have a guy like Jimmer, he's going to be a defensive liability every possession. it doesn't make sense.
I want to trade the pick but I'll go with Josh Selby.
This is a role player draft..there's very few impact players..a bunch of scoring pgs with low IQs, under size bigs..
jf will struggle to adjust just like adam morrison and Jj reddick...selby not a play maker at all..faried I was just watching him on espn u he's comparing himself to blair and milsap..not bad..but do really need a under size big..
Believe me...walsh and his band of scouts got there wrk cut out...they were showing the Cs coming out..wow talk about a weak draft
I had voted for Faried...mostly because I've seen the most video on him. Hadn't heard a thing about Darius Morris until a couple weeks ago when his campaign got a big push on these boards.
I'm not under any assumptions that Faried fills our need at C...it's clear he's not, but he does seem ready to contribute right away, and the rebounding will be a HUGE plus for this squad. Really not too interested in Jimmer whatsoever.
I'll place my faith in the Don to make a smart decision.
Depending on no slip?
1. Marshon Brooks
2. Jujuan Johnson
3. Darius Morris
nixluva wrote:martin wrote:nixluva wrote:I went with Jimmer. One thing that goes overlooked is that in MDA's system you need a guard that is a constant threat. One of the things that makes Nash so good besides the great court vision is that he's a deadly shooter. Since he got to PHX he's shot 50% and over 40% from 3!!! That is a scary thing for a PG who has the ball all the time and shoots at that kind of clip. So you have to pay constant attention to him and that's why guys are always so open. Teams must be in fear of the PG either driving or shooting at all times. Jimmer is that kind of player.
Yea he's a scorer, but that's the point. You want him to score and be a threat. The other guys will thrive off the attention he gets. I believe he's smart enough to learn from MDA and get the ball to his teammates when teams double him.
not enough defense from the PG spot, Ill pass.
Yeah that is an issue, but almost no top PG's are truly able to defend another without help. If you're gonna stop a guy like Rose it's gonna be a team effort. That's why I don't go too crazy over that aspect of things. There are other options i'd find acceptable that have more physical ability, but i'd still favor one of the guards in this draft. Selby is one i'd have no problem with. Jackson or Smith are possibilities.
If you are that crazy about MDA, it can't bother you or be that important to you to have a player who is not defensive minded (super JJ aside). What you care about is SHOTS, get LOOKS, lots of LOOKS, run run RUN ...
JJ Barea would be perfect in this system.
Darius Morris seems like a pretty good go to me, at least from what I've read. True PG who can set up Stat and Melo.
Team needs bigs, but drafting a PG of the future basically takes the Knicks out of the 2012 sweepstakes in my mind, but they may already not be in it.
franco12 wrote:With Melo and Stat- it be great to have a PG that can set them up, but honest, their talents should be enough to score on their own. We should be able to get by with a PG by committee - Toney Douglas as a kind of Charlie Ward/Chris Childs.Where we get killed is on the boards. I don't care if Faried is undersized as long as he has the motor and heart to grab boards. Because we really don't have anyone that has that hunger.
Agree! this is what i Love about Faried. People knock on his size... But look at Barkley,Love And rodman they were not the tallest people in the world but they have a great motor to get the rebounds.
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Markieff Morris - gone baby gone
Tristan Thompson - too Channing Frye and too 6'9
Kenneth Faried - too short and skill set too specific
Tobias Harris - another redundant skill set, we have a guy named Carmelo
Chris Singleton - wish he was 6'11 and not 6'9, we have enough 6'9 guys
Josh Selby - nope, "For a potential PG, his game management isn’t the best"
Jimmer Fredette - no thank you
Reggie Jackson - only if he can play in October
Trey Thompkins - maybe
Darius Morris - YES, the Knicks need another playmaker, with emphasis on the "maker" part of the word.
unstoppaball12 - Charles Barkley was not a center.
Kevin Love is 6'10. He is a center. Dreadfully Poor comparison
Dennis Rodman was crazy and played next to legit centers with size. Based on his shiftline, another poor comparison.
Read my lips, the Knicks desperately need A CENTER. Not Renaldo Balkman with biceps. (thank you killa4luv)
misterearl wrote:unstoppaball12 - Charles Barkley was not a center. Kevin Love is 6'10. He is a center. Dreadfully Poor comparison
Dennis Rodman was crazy and played next to legit centers with size. Based on his shiftline, another poor comparison.
Read my lips, the Knicks desperately need A CENTER. Not Renaldo Balkman with biceps. (thank you killa4luv)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile.php/Kevin-Love-1062/ read his height he is 6'8 not 6'10.... I only Compared Faried's motor and rebounding prowess to Barkley Rodman and Love.. i never said Barkley was a center nor Faried
unstopaball12 wrote:misterearl wrote:unstoppaball12 - Charles Barkley was not a center. Kevin Love is 6'10. He is a center. Dreadfully Poor comparison
Dennis Rodman was crazy and played next to legit centers with size. Based on his shiftline, another poor comparison.
Read my lips, the Knicks desperately need A CENTER. Not Renaldo Balkman with biceps. (thank you killa4luv)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile.php/Kevin-Love-1062/ read his height he is 6'8 not 6'10.... I only Compared Faried's motor and rebounding prowess to Barkley Rodman and Love.. i never said Barkley was a center nor Faried
He's not going to be available at 17.
We do need a center, but we can't just march a 7 footer out there- we need them to impact the game.
As much as I loved Moz and I love Turiaf's energy, neither one exactly were cleaning the glass.
Hey, if we can get a 7 footer than can block and board and score, heck yes!
But at 17, we're not getting that in one package.
Rebounding is the number one stat that helps teams become champions.
There were so many times this past season where we played great defense, but gave up multiple opportunities by failing to have someone that could secure the defensive rebound.
Having that skill next year is, in my opinion, the key thing that could give us the most impact.
I'm not crazy to think we don't have a lot of needs, but if Faried is the real deal and can translate to the next level, we'd be lucky to have him drop to 17 and have the chance to grab him.
I liked both Singleton and Jimmer's interviews. From looking at Fredette's highlights I don't see him distributing that much... mostly scoring... I don't see us needing that type of player (Douglas can score already AND he can defend the PG position).
I really like Singleton's handle and ability to help defend. Issue with him is his position, but if he can give us productive minutes from the PF position and matchup against the smaller Centers in the league, I think he would be a solid choice. He also has a good attitude it seems.
I voted for Singleton.
I like Darius Morris' size and court vision, but my fear is that he would get exposed by the quicker point guards in the league (we'll be dealing with Derrick Rose for many years).
He's definitely a half court weapon though, and would fit in well with our current group of players (though not with D'Antoni's preferred style).
Do we pair him with Douglas to cover his defensive liabilities? That might work...
I wish we had more than one pick, we need to get more players on undervalued contracts to compete.
The joke 1st round pick is Isiah Thomas just because that's hilarious.
I like Darius Morris at 17. The Knicks need a future PG that can run the PNR and set people up with good vision, and I think that he's it. Plus he can be mentored by Billups and Douglas can be slid to shooting guard. Morris also fits with who's here.
I voted Singleton. I really feel he will not be there for 17. Iman Schumpert is an awesome pick and would be my next choice. I'd also have to look real hard at Jeremy Tyler and some of the other center prospects and Marshon Brooks. Failing any of these and maybe even if... I still would consider trading this pick for Mozgov. 'Specially if I can't get what I want
