Knicks · Who Would You Take With The 17th Pick? (page 4)
NYKBocker wrote:Bismack Biyombo. Anybody know anything about this dude.
All I know is what I read in draftexpress. It sounds like he's just what we need, an aggressive defender, a great shot blocker and rebounder who gets hustle points inside. He won't be there for us unless we trade up. A friend told me he reminded him of Ben Wallace.
NYKBocker wrote:Bismack Biyombo. Anybody know anything about this dude.
This is the guy the Knicks should draft. Meets many needs that the team has. I can see him getting an inch or two taller in a few years. You are looking at 6'11'' center. Will he be there for the Knicks don't know looks like a lottery pick.
knickstorrents wrote:Bismarck will be long gone by 17
That's okay hopefully if Biz Markie is gone by then we'll catch Vapors from someone else talented.....
So let's review a little
We have all these binkies in the pool thus far
Tyler
Vucevic
Brooks
Burks
Darius Morris
Biz Markie
Fridette
Walker
Faried
Selby
Singleton
JuJaun Johnson
Donatas
Parsons
Jackson
Markief Morris
etc etc
Do we still feel this draft is weak?
Juice wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Bismarck will be long gone by 17
That's okay hopefully if Biz Markie is gone by then we'll catch Vapors from someone else talented.....So let's review a little
We have all these binkies in the pool thus far
Tyler
Vucevic
Brooks
Burks
Darius Morris
Biz Markie
Fridette
Walker
Faried
Selby
Singleton
JuJaun Johnson
Donatas
Parsons
Jackson
Markief Morrisetc etc
Do we still feel this draft is weak?
We'll be waiting around for the scraps.
Sangfroid wrote:Juice wrote:knickstorrents wrote:Bismarck will be long gone by 17
That's okay hopefully if Biz Markie is gone by then we'll catch Vapors from someone else talented.....So let's review a little
We have all these binkies in the pool thus far
Tyler
Vucevic
Brooks
Burks
Darius Morris
Biz Markie
Fridette
Walker
Faried
Selby
Singleton
JuJaun Johnson
Donatas
Parsons
Jackson
Markief Morrisetc etc
Do we still feel this draft is weak?
We'll be waiting around for the scraps.
I left off several sure Top 10 picks...like Irving/Williams/Knight/Kanter/Leonard/Vesely....are we showing evidence of failing Math during our secular education? There's going to be a pretty good player on board at pick 17 and beyond
all good
I have to pick this guy J.Johnson of Purdue Boilermakers
hands down fit Knicks needs immediately
Seriously UNDERRATED..
Seems like a combo of Ibaka (Thunder) & Sam Dalembert
but with more offensive around the post skills
Add a pinch of Dwight Howard Potential..(possible)
At 6 10' he can or still may be growing.
Killa4luv wrote:joec32033 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Here a video scouting report on Singleton. His defense is impressive but his offense game isn't close to being NBA ready. HE might have to start out at power forward while the rest of his game catches up.
http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Chri...The more I hear about this kid the more I keep thinking, 6-11, lanky, no offensive game, versatile defenders to skinny to play center, natural position small forward, all I wanna know is why are we drafting Jared Jefferies again?
He's gonna be a good player. He's an actual basketball player, he's not Jared Jeffries. He's gonna be lockdown, he grabs boards, and he's developing a jumper. PLus hes athletic.
Singleton would have slammed that ball home instead of passing in Game 3 or gotten fouled Yeah there's a difference.
DJMUSIC wrote:All respect to the impressive polling list
all goodI have to pick this guy J.Johnson of Purdue Boilermakers
hands down fit Knicks needs immediatelySeriously UNDERRATED..
Seems like a combo of Ibaka (Thunder) & Sam Dalembert
but with more offensive around the post skills
Add a pinch of Dwight Howard Potential..(possible)At 6 10' he can or still may be growing.
What do you think about this for J. Johnson:
His main issue defensively is defending the post. He does a good job of using his length to contest shots, but his lack of lower body strength really manifests itself in this aspect of his game, as he struggles to deny post position, and is easily backed down, allowing high percentage shots. Furthermore, he seems to lack a degree of toughness and aggressiveness here, as its not rare to see players pushing him around, and he doesn't always respond the way you would hope.
Johnson also struggles on the glass, averaging only 6.6 defensive rebounds per 40 minutes, pace adjusted, which places him well into the bottom half of our database. His lack of strength, toughness and inability to hold position is a clear problem here, and one that it's hard to envision him overcoming with great success.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/JaJuan-Johnson-5307/#ixzz1OAzKVv4z
http://www.draftexpress.com
knickstorrents wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:All respect to the impressive polling list
all goodI have to pick this guy J.Johnson of Purdue Boilermakers
hands down fit Knicks needs immediatelySeriously UNDERRATED..
Seems like a combo of Ibaka (Thunder) & Sam Dalembert
but with more offensive around the post skills
Add a pinch of Dwight Howard Potential..(possible)At 6 10' he can or still may be growing.
What do you think about this for J. Johnson:
His main issue defensively is defending the post. He does a good job of using his length to contest shots, but his lack of lower body strength really manifests itself in this aspect of his game, as he struggles to deny post position, and is easily backed down, allowing high percentage shots. Furthermore, he seems to lack a degree of toughness and aggressiveness here, as its not rare to see players pushing him around, and he doesn't always respond the way you would hope.
Johnson also struggles on the glass, averaging only 6.6 defensive rebounds per 40 minutes, pace adjusted, which places him well into the bottom half of our database. His lack of strength, toughness and inability to hold position is a clear problem here, and one that it's hard to envision him overcoming with great success.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/JaJuan-Johnson-5307/#ixzz1OAzKVv4z
http://www.draftexpress.com
no big deal. like most young bigs, hes got to bulk up.
knickstorrents wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:All respect to the impressive polling list
all goodI have to pick this guy J.Johnson of Purdue Boilermakers
hands down fit Knicks needs immediatelySeriously UNDERRATED..
Seems like a combo of Ibaka (Thunder) & Sam Dalembert
but with more offensive around the post skills
Add a pinch of Dwight Howard Potential..(possible)At 6 10' he can or still may be growing.
What do you think about this for J. Johnson:
His main issue defensively is defending the post. He does a good job of using his length to contest shots, but his lack of lower body strength really manifests itself in this aspect of his game, as he struggles to deny post position, and is easily backed down, allowing high percentage shots. Furthermore, he seems to lack a degree of toughness and aggressiveness here, as its not rare to see players pushing him around, and he doesn't always respond the way you would hope.
Johnson also struggles on the glass, averaging only 6.6 defensive rebounds per 40 minutes, pace adjusted, which places him well into the bottom half of our database. His lack of strength, toughness and inability to hold position is a clear problem here, and one that it's hard to envision him overcoming with great success.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/JaJuan-Johnson-5307/#ixzz1OAzKVv4z
http://www.draftexpress.com
Johnson has some defiencies and as other poster says he needs to hit gym and weights,
build up.
But he is a mid-low risk, The same similar was said about Serge Ibaka coming up in nbadraft.net
Johnson has more work to do but thing you note about Johnson he loves to play above the rim and
does it and also has around the basket skills which is his game, both on defender side and more
on offensiv end.
Knicks need size
but will perhaps pick someone else like Morris or Selby anyhow
they never consider Size in the draft but have only 1 pick so its
moot point
he is raw offensively but has good instincts on the
other side of ball defensively.
I aint sure on his size (6 8' or 6 9') he seem smaller
and less taller than his indicated height. His potential
is good and he's from thunders S.Ibaka's neck of the woods
DJMUSIC wrote:The Bismack Biyombo guy aint bad pick either at 17th
he is raw offensively but has good instincts on the
other side of ball defensively.I aint sure on his size (6 8' or 6 9') he seem smaller
and less taller than his indicated height. His potential
is good and he's from thunders S.Ibaka's neck of the woods
I think Biyombo measured out to have a freakish reach 7'5"? I have only watched videos and read about him but he looks like the kind of guy you trade up for. I think he is rated as going as high as 5th. He is still young and will probably end up growing a couple of more inches. Just from limited exposure to him he seems like the kind of player you try and move up to get. I know he blocks a lot of shots in the film I have seen.
CrushAlot wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:The Bismack Biyombo guy aint bad pick either at 17th
he is raw offensively but has good instincts on the
other side of ball defensively.I aint sure on his size (6 8' or 6 9') he seem smaller
and less taller than his indicated height. His potential
is good and he's from thunders S.Ibaka's neck of the woods
I think Biyombo measured out to have a freakish reach 7'5"? I have only watched videos and read about him but he looks like the kind of guy you trade up for. I think he is rated as going as high as 5th. He is still young and will probably end up growing a couple of more inches. Just from limited exposure to him he seems like the kind of player you try and move up to get. I know he blocks a lot of shots in the film I have seen.
Biyombo is the protypical feast or famine pick. If he works out, great, but if he doesn't, he hasn't exactly accomplished much of note.
2. M. Brooks
3. Shelby
4. Darius Morris
5. Reggie Jackson
6. Singleton
I hate drafting a PG who will be a defensive liability, but Jimmer is the perfect fit for this offense and I think he scoring ability is going to translate to the NBA. Brooks is a stud. The only thing with him is can he learn to play more of a team game. If he can, he will be a still. That kid can really score. Shelby is the best penetrator available and we really need that. I think you draft him and hope he can turn into a PG. Morris is next because he is the best true PG. I would take him and hope he can turn into Andre Miller or a rich's mans Eric Snow.
"When you’re a projected second-round draft pick, it’s not a bad idea to work out for as many NBA teams as possible.
That seems to be the philosophy of Cleveland State guard Norris Cole.
“I’ve been around,” Cole said with a large smile and a laugh following a workout in Charlotte.
He speaks the truth. And man, does he ever.
Cole has conducted workouts with Charlotte, Detroit, Utah, Miami, Houston and Chicago. He goes to New York next.
“I think I’ve got about eight more,” Cole said, pausing long enough to count. “Yeah, eight more.”
Cole is 6-foot-2 and led the Horizon League in scoring this past season at 21.7 points per game. He was named Horizon League player of the year and defensive player of the year, with averages of 5.8 rebounds and 2.2 steals. He also set Vikings records for points scored, free throws made and free throws attempted.
Most draft experts have him pegged to be selected early in the second round, with a few saying he could go late in the first. A lot of it, of course, will boil down to how he fares on the pre-draft circuit.
The good news is, he really left an impression on the Bobcats. They own the ninth and 19th overall selections in the first round, and 39th overall in the second.
“Norris was terrific today. He passed, he shot, he’s tough,” said Bobcats coach Paul Silas. “We went out to dinner with him last night, and he’s just a terrific kid. You know, really, really smart; got everything going on.”
Silas later admitted, “I didn’t know Cole was that good.”
Cole said he’s not really doing anything differently than he did while with the Vikings. It’s just that now he’s getting the same exposure as the guys from big-name programs such as Duke or UCLA. That’s not often the case when you play for a mid-major.
“I’m just doing what I do best,” he said of the NBA workouts. “The worst thing you can do is get out there and do something new. They know who you are; they’ve seen you play enough. So I just get out there and try to show them what I’m about.”
What is Cole about? Well, one thing he wants to make clear is that he’s a true point guard. There seems to have been some debate about that, with word swirling he may be one of those “combo guards.” That often means a scorer first, passer second.
Not so, Cole insisted.
“I’m a pure point guard,” he said. “I’ve been raised up to this point to be a pure point guard, and that’s what teams are looking for from me — to be a point guard and a floor general. I’ll do whatever the team needs at this level. In college, I was the scorer, but at this level there are guys (who are) very offensively talented that I can get the ball to. That will be my job.”
The Vikings finished the season 25-9 and advanced to the second round of the NIT. Cole said he’s confident that enough NBA types were able to see him play — and appreciate what he has to offer.
“My senior year, I wanted to make sure I left no stone unturned,” he said. “I wanted to show my athleticism. I wanted to show how feisty I am on the defensive end. I wanted to show that I have a good shooting touch, that I can get everyone involved. And that I can affect the game in more than one way. When you’re a point guard, you have to affect the game in more than one way.”
None of this is to say Cole thinks he’s a finished product. Although he’s quick at getting to the basket and creating shots for himself, he’s not necessarily a pure shooter. But he is working on his perimeter game and has made improvements in that area.
And it appears that’s what pro scouts are seeking.
“They would like to see my range a little bit more, particularly on (3-pointers),” Cole said. “That will come just by getting more reps. They know my strengths. They know my speed end to end is pretty good, so it’s really just my range on my shot.”
More than anything, Cole would also like them to know that, yes, he is a capable and willing distributor. That really is the purpose of all these workouts — and something that could elevate him into the first round.
“The coaches and the scouts who have seen me play know I’m a pure (point guard),” Cole said. “They know I feel the game out. They know I’m not out there, you know, shot hunting.”
As for job hunting, well, that’s a different matter."
Killa4luv wrote:
i'd rather pick up Gary Mcghee from Pitt than Faried who is much bigger with an already ready NBA frame. On top of that, he may go undrafted, which I think means we could pick him up.
Every bit the rebounder Faried is, in a real big man's body.
McGhee has very good advanced stats for the Center position. His PAWS40 (position adjusted win score) is 11.7, and the average is 7.1. He would be a good value free agent pickup as he will probably be undrafted.
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Lakers 2011 NBA Draft prospect fan profile: Norris Cole
By Gil Alcaraz IV, Yahoo! Contributor Network Jun 17, 12:45 pm EDT
In this next installment of my coverage of the most promising players that the Los Angeles Lakers could nab during the 2011 NBA Draft, we'll be scoping out one of the only pure point guards in the class. Despite the fact that he comes from a small school and has flown a bit under the radar during his college career, this guy has plenty of weapons in his arsenal worthy of working alongside Kobe Bryant(notes). Considering the fact that they have four second-round picks, including 41, 46, 56 and 58, the Lakers would be pleased to come away with a player of his caliber. With that in mind, let's take a look at Cleveland State point guard Norris Cole.
Like I've discussed in my past two profiles on point guards Iman Shumpert and Ben Hansbrough, the Lakers have a rather glaring need at the point guard position this off-season. Veteran point guard Derek Fisher's(notes) career is running on fumes at this point, and the Lakers' offense and defense are both yearning for some youth to help make the transition to the post-Fisher era. Fisher struggled as a facilitator in the Lakers' offense and let quicker point guards get past him as if he had cinder blocks strapped around his ankles. However, a quick player with pin-point passing like Cole could be just what the doctor ordered.
Cole, who was an All-American Honorable Mention in 2011, is one of the only true point guards in this draft class. During his four years as a Cleveland State Viking, he had plenty of time to work on making his game as well-rounded as possible. With an compelling combination of scoring, passing and defense, he could easily be a difference-maker from the get-go in the NBA. However, at the same time, there isn't a particular facet of his game that stands out above the rest.
In the passing department, his abilities have slowly developed and progressed over the past few years. From his freshman year to his senior year, Cole's assists per game improved from 0.8 to 5.3. Just in this past season, he had two games where he hit double-digits in the assists column despite taking on the Vikings' primary scoring duties (third in school history with 1,978 career points). His court vision and tremendous basketball IQ helped him shred opposing defenses while feeding his teammates at will.
In the scoring department, Cole shined just as bright. By his senior year, he averaged 21.7 points per game and was the focal point in the Vikings' offense. He shot 43.9 percent from the field, 34.2 percent from three-point land and 85.3 percent from the charity stripe. He has impressive range and a promising jump shot to go along with a natural ability to penetrate the lane.
Even more intriguing is the fact that Cole is quite effective in the defensive department also. He displayed an ability to put opposing players on lockdown, forcing their teammates to make the plays. During his senior year, he averaged 2.2 steals per game and also did a tremendous job of crashing the boards from the point guard position. In the Vikings' 86-76 win over Youngstown State in 2011, he hauled in a mind-boggling 18 defensive rebounds, something almost unheard of from a 6'2'', 175 pound point guard.
Despite all of these attributes, they must all be taken with a grain of salt considering the fact that he plays for a school not known for breeding elite NBA talent. It's clear that he's a phenomenal basketball player with plenty to offer an NBA team, but the considerable jump in the level of competition will always raise a red flag. Lower-level talents are always expected to be big fishes in little ponds, which Cole was, but that doesn't immediately stamp a "guaranteed" label across his forehead. It also in no way means that he's bound for failure. Either way, he's going to have to work hard to prove that he deserves to be in the position that he currently holds.
The fact that he's a great passer and defender seems to make him a perfect candidate to fill the vacancy that Fisher should hopefully be creating in the Lakers' lineup. He fits their needs well and should be looking to shed the "sleeper" tag that gives general managers and coaches reason to doubt his possession of an elite NBA skill set. Whether the aforementioned general managers and coaches have enough skepticism to let him slip to the Lakers at No. 41 is another question. Cole is going to tear up the hardwood when he finally gets his chance, and what better place to do it than Laker Land.
Gil Alcaraz IV has been a diehard Los Angeles Lakers fan since Phil Jackson first landed in the City of Angels back in 1999, bleeding purple and gold all along the way. For more sports coverage, follow him on Twitter @GilAlcarazIV.
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