TymeLessKnicks wrote:PG at 17? ...Donnie knows best. I actually like this pick. Seems like a good kid (humble) and perimeter defense was also a need.
You can see his focus and intensity while training in the video below. He was clearly the best in this drill.
PS. Moved to Stockholm, any Knick fans over here?
Looked fine other than the right knee pain a few seconds into the video.
nixluva@ 6/24/2011 8:25 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:PG at 17? ...Donnie knows best. I actually like this pick. Seems like a good kid (humble) and perimeter defense was also a need.
You can see his focus and intensity while training in the video below. He was clearly the best in this drill.
PS. Moved to Stockholm, any Knick fans over here?
Looked fine other than the right knee pain a few seconds into the video.
Who knows what the was. It doesn't mean anything. Players tweak muscles and joints all the time. I just like the fact that even tho he's 6-5, he's got great lateral quickness and moves like a cat. We haven't had a player that could move like that out on the perimeter in years.
earthmansurfer@ 6/24/2011 8:27 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I think the Knicks could have drafted Singleton and then made a run at Malcom Lee. I don't see a big difference between Lee and Shumpert if that was what the Knicks wanted. Singleton was too good to pass up in my opinion.
This makes more sense than anything I've read. Now, I'm not against Shumpert. I think he can really be something special and I think he can be pretty ok at PG. Draft Express actually said he can thread the needle and is a great passer (at times) - I just think his coach sucked and Iman tried to do too much.
Back to your suggestion - Passing on Singleton might come back to bight us. He was a pretty consensus top 10 pick for a while. The thing is, he would probably not see the floor when Melo and Stat were out there together (but one of the two, then yes). I do have to say if they were both similar in our draft rating, then it was a good idea to pick the need position. Time will tell.
I really liked Lee's potential at PG as well as his defense there, but make no mistakes, Shumpert is in another place regarding defense and athleticism.
Bonn1997@ 6/24/2011 8:29 AM
nixluva wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:PG at 17? ...Donnie knows best. I actually like this pick. Seems like a good kid (humble) and perimeter defense was also a need.
You can see his focus and intensity while training in the video below. He was clearly the best in this drill.
PS. Moved to Stockholm, any Knick fans over here?
Looked fine other than the right knee pain a few seconds into the video.
Who knows what the was. It doesn't mean anything. Players tweak muscles and joints all the time. I just like the fact that even tho he's 6-5, he's got great lateral quickness and moves like a cat. We haven't had a player that could move like that out on the perimeter in years.
Hopefully it was nothing.
Markji@ 6/24/2011 8:42 AM
nixluva wrote:
TymeLessKnicks wrote:PG at 17? ...Donnie knows best. I actually like this pick. Seems like a good kid (humble) and perimeter defense was also a need.
You can see his focus and intensity while training in the video below. He was clearly the best in this drill.
PS. Moved to Stockholm, any Knick fans over here?
Glad you posted this vid. I saw this a while back and couldn't remember where it was. This is a perfect example of this kids lateral quickness.This video blew me away when I 1st saw it.
Me too. He is definitely ready to play Defense in the pro's. Great lateral quickness - he should be able to stay in front of his man. He also had 2.7 steals/game at Georgia Tech, playing in the ACC against top teams like Duke, NC, Maryland, etc.
Ira@ 6/24/2011 8:47 AM
Guards need to play d, but they need to score, too. I'm glad he has great form, but 40.6% from the field in college doesn't translate well to the nba. We drafted a rich man's Mardy Collins.
nixluva@ 6/24/2011 8:52 AM
Donnie got a chance to see this kid up close and the scouts did as well on more than one occasion. They also got great reports that Iman looked just as good in his other workouts. I think he's gonna be in a GREAT situation with CB, STAT and Melo on the floor. It's funny how we tend to underestimate our own prospects.
How hard to you think it's gonna be for opposing teams to deal with a kid as quick and explosive as Iman when they're also worrying about STAT, Melo and CB? You have to look at the cumulative effect of adding a player with certain abilities. As a guard Iman is on another planet from Fields in terms of his ability to create. He's quicker, more agile and has a superior handle to Landry. The good thing is that Iman is also a good rebounder. Iman gives Donnie and Mike what they wanted when they lusted after Westbrook.
Hght w/o Shoes Hght w/shoes Wght Wingspan Stdg Reach Body Fat No Step Vert Max Vert B Press Agility 3/4 Sprint Westbrook 6' 2.25" 6' 3.5" 192 6' 7.75" 8' 4" 4.8 30.0 36.5 12 10.98 3.08 Iman 6' 4.25" 6' 5.5" 222 6' 9.5" 8' 3.5" 6.5 36.5 42.0 18 11.10 3.18
Markji@ 6/24/2011 8:52 AM
Ira wrote:Guards need to play d, but they need to score, too. I'm glad he has great form, but 40.6% from the field in college doesn't translate well to the nba. We drafted a rich man's Mardy Collins.
I'm holding my judgement about him until I see what he can do after half a season. I personally would have chosen Singleton but understand why they picked Iman and am OK with it.
nixluva@ 6/24/2011 8:59 AM
Markji wrote:
Ira wrote:Guards need to play d, but they need to score, too. I'm glad he has great form, but 40.6% from the field in college doesn't translate well to the nba. We drafted a rich man's Mardy Collins.
I'm holding my judgement about him until I see what he can do after half a season. I personally would have chosen Singleton but understand why they picked Iman.
All you have to do is look at any video of the kid and watch his shooting form and you'll see that he's not a bad shooter. I'm glad that he didn't put up better numbers in college, cuz then we wouldn't have him. How many players that can't shoot hit at 80% from the FT line? This kid just took some bad shots. If you don't have good shot selection it will mess up your shooting %. I think he's worked on that and in our situation he should do much better. He shot the ball well in his workouts. I'm not that worried about it.
nykshaknbake@ 6/24/2011 9:44 AM
It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.
nixluva@ 6/24/2011 9:51 AM
nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.
He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.
misterearl@ 6/24/2011 10:01 AM
It was not Shumpert's shot but his hair trigger shot selection.
Someone will pull him aside and remind him he is not World B Free.
Let the learning curve begin.
AnubisADL@ 6/24/2011 10:04 AM
AnubisADL@ 6/24/2011 10:14 AM
The one thing I dont like is he appears to be a two feet jumper. Not a deal killer but it sorta reduces all those hops when you are a guard.
islesfan@ 6/24/2011 10:15 AM
nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.
He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.
Raymond Felton's Draft Profile:
Blazing speed and excellent court vision are Felton's best attributes. He's absolutely terrific in the open court and loves to push the ball up the floor. He's built like a quarterback and plays like it on the floor -- directing traffic, making pinpoint passes and weaving through the defense to get to the basket.
Wrong again. It's hard to find a successful NBA guard with no offensive skill other than free throw shooting, to compare Shumpert to.
NYKBocker@ 6/24/2011 10:15 AM
Hmmm..This kid could be Rondo on steroids with his height, wingspan, speed and veritical. Hopefully his shot develops.
nixluva@ 6/24/2011 10:20 AM
islesfan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.
He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.
Raymond Felton's Draft Profile:
Blazing speed and excellent court vision are Felton's best attributes. He's absolutely terrific in the open court and loves to push the ball up the floor. He's built like a quarterback and plays like it on the floor -- directing traffic, making pinpoint passes and weaving through the defense to get to the basket.
Wrong again. It's hard to find a successful NBA guard with no offensive skill other than free throw shooting, to compare Shumpert to.
You keep going to scouting reports and i'm telling you that Westbrook was no JOhn Stockton and still isn't. Felton came to us a poor assist guy for his career. I don't care what the scouting reports said. I'm saying that in the NBA neither guy was all that amazing as a pure passer. Felton improved once he got here. He still wasn't great, but he got better. I think this kid needs the kind of insight and system that we have so he can use the talents he has and learn the game. Even when Nash came out of college he wasn't known as a great passer. He was more of a scorer and got progressively better as a passer and floor leader. Westbrook is still playing selfish ball.
islesfan@ 6/24/2011 10:23 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
That was a fair scouting report. Absolutely can help with perimeter defense. Offensively he's shockingly bad. He wasn't just missing his medium range jumpers, he was missing badly. There is zero reason to believe that this guy can run an offense or be a shooting guard.
islesfan@ 6/24/2011 10:26 AM
nixluva wrote:
islesfan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.
He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.
Raymond Felton's Draft Profile:
Blazing speed and excellent court vision are Felton's best attributes. He's absolutely terrific in the open court and loves to push the ball up the floor. He's built like a quarterback and plays like it on the floor -- directing traffic, making pinpoint passes and weaving through the defense to get to the basket.
Wrong again. It's hard to find a successful NBA guard with no offensive skill other than free throw shooting, to compare Shumpert to.
You keep going to scouting reports and i'm telling you that Westbrook was no JOhn Stockton and still isn't. Felton came to us a poor assist guy for his career. I don't care what the scouting reports said. I'm saying that in the NBA neither guy was all that amazing as a pure passer. Felton improved once he got here. He still wasn't great, but he got better. I think this kid needs the kind of insight and system that we have so he can use the talents he has and learn the game. Even when Nash came out of college he wasn't known as a great passer. He was more of a scorer and got progressively better as a passer and floor leader. Westbrook is still playing selfish ball.
Who the hell compared Westbrook to Stockton?!?
The point is that coming out of college, the guys you desperately want to compare Shumpert to were miles ahead of where Shumpert is. They aren't comparable.
fishmike@ 6/24/2011 10:29 AM
islesfan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:
That was a fair scouting report. Absolutely can help with perimeter defense. Offensively he's shockingly bad. He wasn't just missing his medium range jumpers, he was missing badly. There is zero reason to believe that this guy can run an offense or be a shooting guard.
lol... your funny. Shockingly bad. How would you describe JJ? Seeing as how the Knicks were + with him on the floor.
This guy's downside is Desmond Mason who has some very solid years. Maybe a Ruben Patterson type or Bruce Bowen although he's more athletic than Bowen/Patterson.
Offensive skills can be taught and developed and anyone who follows the NBA can rattle off 10 guys who came into the league with limited skills asnd elite athleticism and became pretty solid scorers.
BigDaddyG@ 6/24/2011 10:29 AM
islesfan wrote:
nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:It's a decent pick at this spot in a pretty seemingly unspectacular draft. If he can just be an average distributor who isn't a complete liability on offense he'll be serviceable to us for sure.
He's better than you realize. Lots of young PG's that have to take on more of the scoring load for their teams have problems going from primary scorer to facilitator. He'll have a lot of the pressure off of him in terms of scoring and he can learn how to attack a defense better from MDA. Remember Felton wasn't a good passing PG and he came here and put up 9 assists.
Raymond Felton's Draft Profile:
Blazing speed and excellent court vision are Felton's best attributes. He's absolutely terrific in the open court and loves to push the ball up the floor. He's built like a quarterback and plays like it on the floor -- directing traffic, making pinpoint passes and weaving through the defense to get to the basket.
Wrong again. It's hard to find a successful NBA guard with no offensive skill other than free throw shooting, to compare Shumpert to.
I think guys like Larry Hughes and Bob Sura, http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/pla..., are good comparisons to Shumpert. Those guys were good athletes with solid ball handling skills and tools to become great defenders. Sura managed to become a serviceable point guard later in his career, but he was mostly a two-guard. I though of Sura because his shooting percentages also sucked during his last year in college, just like Shumpert's.
I'm not completely sold on Shumpert, but I don't disregard his ability to contribute either. I will say this, tho. The kid doesn't look like he's an NBA point guard yet. He's a shooting guard with a good handle.
