Knicks · MDA wanted Shumpert? (page 1)

Uptown @ 6/24/2011 11:59 AM
Jacked from another board, supposedly this was in the NewsDay....

According to multiple sources, Walsh took a poll of the Knicks' war room, of all the scouts and basketball staff, and there was a split between Shumpert and Singleton. Walsh then turned to Mike D'Antoni, who said he wanted Shumpert. That's when Walsh declared, "Shumpert is the pick" and the selection was submitted.

NYKBocker @ 6/24/2011 12:06 PM
Good to hear
Uptown @ 6/24/2011 12:08 PM
So much for MDA not wanting a so-called nonshooter. I guess we'll find out how true this statement is once the season rolls around.
nixluva @ 6/24/2011 12:16 PM
Mike got to see these prospects up close and if he feels he can work with a guard I tend to trust his instincts. So long as Iman is willing to learn, he's gonna learn a lot from MDA and improve. I think all the MDA bashing is so overdone and it's all around the web. Almost no one like MDA. They think he actually just wants non defensive players, but they overlook the fact that even in PHX he had his defensive specialists he could depend on. He didn't have size or much of a backup PG, but he did play guys that could defend. This kid can give him what they wanted to get if they had drafted Westbrook. A good defensive PG that can also get out on the break and push the ball.
CrushAlot @ 6/24/2011 12:19 PM
If he is playing the point I don't expect to see a lot of him. D'Antoni wouldn't play Douglas even though Duhon was horrible and was gone at the end of the season. At least we know why the Knicks took this guy instead of grabbing Singleton and then making a run at Malcom Lee in the second round. There is not a big difference between Shumpert and Lee in my opinion. Its interesting that the coach wanted this kid when he had no use for Brewer.
unstopaball12 @ 6/24/2011 12:21 PM
its becoause brewer is sucks.

how many minutes did brewer play in the finals?

how many minutes did cardinal play?

fishmike @ 6/24/2011 12:29 PM
obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

Uptown @ 6/24/2011 12:32 PM
CrushAlot wrote:If he is playing the point I don't expect to see a lot of him. D'Antoni wouldn't play Douglas even though Duhon was horrible and was gone at the end of the season. At least we know why the Knicks took this guy instead of grabbing Singleton and then making a run at Malcom Lee in the second round. There is not a big difference between Shumpert and Lee in my opinion. Its interesting that the coach wanted this kid when he had no use for Brewer.

Shumpert is a far superior and stronger athlete than Lee. Lee is 195lbs and will struggle defending strong 2 guards, an area in which Shumpert will not struggle in.

Uptown @ 6/24/2011 12:34 PM
Listen, I'm not a big MDA fan myself, but I root for my team regardless, I dont root against the coach...
Paladin55 @ 6/24/2011 12:42 PM
Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:If he is playing the point I don't expect to see a lot of him. D'Antoni wouldn't play Douglas even though Duhon was horrible and was gone at the end of the season. At least we know why the Knicks took this guy instead of grabbing Singleton and then making a run at Malcom Lee in the second round. There is not a big difference between Shumpert and Lee in my opinion. Its interesting that the coach wanted this kid when he had no use for Brewer.

Shumpert is a far superior and stronger athlete than Lee. Lee is 195lbs and will struggle defending strong 2 guards, an area in which Shumpert will not struggle in.

I bet we also see him at the 3 a few times because he probably has enough size, length, and quickness to do a decent job against certain small forwards.

BasketballJones @ 6/24/2011 12:45 PM
The New York "war room" was reportedly split between Shumpert and projected lottery pick Chris Singleton last night, but went with the sleeper, not the slipper, at the behest of Mike D'Antoni. Why? Fit.

Shumpert and Singleton, at least on paper, have basic attributes in common. They're talented, dedicated defenders who don't have the offensive thing completely figured out quite yet. The crucial difference is that Singleton is bigger and fits most naturally at small forward, which, on the Knick depth chart, is Meloville, population: Melo. Shumpert isn't that much smaller, but has the fleet feet to play guard in the NBA. The most important thing is that he can guard guards, which Singleton probably could not. If you recall the delight with which Rajon Rondo and Ray Allen violated the Knicks during the playoffs, you'll agree that this was an area of the utmost need.

http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/06/ho...

Note: Shumpert & Jorts sounds like a tv cartoon show to me.

Paladin55 @ 6/24/2011 12:50 PM
MDA might have disliked Singleton more than anything else, and that's why he went with Shumpert...

... or he saw that Shumpert might actually be able to hit those open 3s as well as defend.


Bruce Bowen +... that's how I'm approaching Shumpert at this time.

Those stories about him shutting down Fredette at one of the pre-draft events, and I think Jenkins, in his workout for the Knicks (might have heard this on ESPN radio earlier today), are also things that must have impressed the Knicks' draft squad.

CrushAlot @ 6/24/2011 12:53 PM
Uptown wrote:Listen, I'm not a big MDA fan myself, but I root for my team regardless, I dont root against the coach...
I root for the team and I really am focused on the draft and how it worked out. I don't have any intention of making this about the coach. However, Shumpert is an upside guy and in the past that hasn't worked out to well here. Hopefully with the endorsement from D'Antoni things will be different this time. I do think if Shumpert plays the 2 he will get a lot of minutes. I have a hard time picturing D'Antoni giving Shumpert a lot of time at the point. I think at least for next year he will be more of a two guard.
franco12 @ 6/24/2011 1:29 PM
MDA also, I seem to recall, express some excitement at Darko, Anthony Randolph and Anthony Roberson.

He suffers from a disease that I think many suffer from - short term fascination and excitement with the next shiny toy.

I just hope he can stick the course and help this kid develop. He has all the physical tools. Will MDA spend the time trying to develop the between the ears stuff? MDA hasn't shown the patience here in NYC to do that with players.

Uptown @ 6/24/2011 4:00 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Uptown wrote:Listen, I'm not a big MDA fan myself, but I root for my team regardless, I dont root against the coach...
I root for the team and I really am focused on the draft and how it worked out. I don't have any intention of making this about the coach. However, Shumpert is an upside guy and in the past that hasn't worked out to well here. Hopefully with the endorsement from D'Antoni things will be different this time. I do think if Shumpert plays the 2 he will get a lot of minutes. I have a hard time picturing D'Antoni giving Shumpert a lot of time at the point. I think at least for next year he will be more of a two guard.

Crush...We were picking at 17. Everyone available had big question marks. Singleton was a gooe defender but he's a SF. Where/How would he get minutes behind Melo, unless you slide Melo to the 4 and Stat at the 5 and that would kill our post defense.

Faried is a 6'6 PF. Cant play him and Stat together. Stat already has a tender back, he doesn;t need to be guarding anymore 5's. Shumpert is a need because of our rail thin/injury prone our backcourt is. The Celts abused us in the backcourt last year. Shump can play with Billups, Fields or Douglas. It was a very solid pick imo.

nixluva @ 6/25/2011 12:55 AM
franco12 wrote:MDA also, I seem to recall, express some excitement at Darko, Anthony Randolph and Anthony Roberson.

He suffers from a disease that I think many suffer from - short term fascination and excitement with the next shiny toy.

I just hope he can stick the course and help this kid develop. He has all the physical tools. Will MDA spend the time trying to develop the between the ears stuff? MDA hasn't shown the patience here in NYC to do that with players.

When will people stop posting such nonsense??? There have been many players that have blossomed under MDA and he has a very good track record of helping players to improve. Just cuz there are a few guys who had problems developing BEFORE they came to the Knicks doesn't prove that Mike is at fault. Not every pick works out. If they did Mike would have a 100% success rate.

Let's cut the crap. The kid has to dedicate himself to put in the work and I have no reason to doubt that he will. Iman wanted to come here and the Knicks wanted him. He fits one of our biggest needs and provides coverage for 2 positions defensively. I imagine that Mike felt he finally had a PG prospect that could do all of the things he wants a PG to do. If he can develop him. So why wouldn't Mike be motivated to work his butt off with this kid?

tj23 @ 6/25/2011 4:43 AM
Shumpert can make shots, it's more a matter of shot selection. I think mike and his staff are HORRIBLE in teaching/correcting shot selection. Mike always said about gallo/will that they would eventually learn what good shots are lol. Either way I like Iman's ability/potential. He reminds me of a rawer poor mans version of R. Westbrook
tj23 @ 6/25/2011 4:47 AM
Well mike can certainly teach anyone how to shoot. He made jj's shot halfway decent before he was shipped to Houston. He helped Chandler develop a reliable shot too. Douglas has also improved/become a little more consistent. If anyone can teach Shumpert the aspects of the pick n roll its mda.
nyk4ever @ 6/25/2011 1:21 PM
fishmike wrote:obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

Lol was just gonna say the same exact thing

nixluva @ 6/25/2011 5:18 PM
nyk4ever wrote:
fishmike wrote:obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

Lol was just gonna say the same exact thing


That's the thing that has bugged the heck out of me all these years. Even right now, if this team had a dominant rebounding Big it would totally change how this team is perceived defensively. We STINK on the boards! Just imagine we give up fewer offensive rebounds to the other team. It would totally change this teams success rate. Now we go after a great young perimeter defender and people complain about his shooting? To me NY Fans are full of hypocrites.

All these years they've complained about MDA cuz he didn't fit the DEFENSE 1st NY history. Now the guy is the deciding vote to bring in a kid that is known for his defense and they complain? How many of us complained as we watched Rondo and Allen destroy us? Now we do something about it and people still complain.

SupremeCommander @ 6/25/2011 10:17 PM
Pringles wanted Marcus Banks for similar reasons too



COACH: Mike D'Antoni | 2005-06: 54-28
Phoenix Suns

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In 2004-05, the Suns were the surprise of the league, improving from 29 wins to 62 after signing Steve Nash to quarterback a relentess running game. In ’05-06, even though they fell from 62 wins to 54, Phoenix was again a major surprise, mainly because they were able to overcome the knee injuries which limited All-Star big man Amaré Stoudemire to three games, and return to the Western Conference Finals.
Certainly, Phoenix could put together another season of successful, fast-breaking basketball even if Stoudemire – who will return to the Suns’ lineup after averaging 20.7 points in three summer-league games, and also working out with Team USA at its Las Vegas training camp - is not yet ready to play at 100% of his past form.

But make no mistake about it, any championship aspirations in the Valley of the Sun are thoroughly dependent on the return of explosiveness and full health to the young forward-center, who will turn 24 on Nov. 16.

Managing Stoudemire’s comeback might be the trickiest part of Head Coach/General Manager Mike D’Antoni ’s job, as he indicated to the Arizona Republic: “We can win 55-60 games if he can't go at all. The hard thing is, what if he comes back somewhere in between? If he's struggling, we can have some hard patches. That can wreck a team."

Fortunately for D’Antoni, he should be able to avert any wrecks because Nash, the two-time NBA MVP, is the captain of his ship. The Canadian point guard lifted his scoring average from 15.5 to 18.8 in ’05-06 to compensate for Stoudemire’s absence, while again leading the league in assists (10.5) as he directed Phoenix to a league-leading 108.4 points per game.

Amazingly, though Nash was the league MVP, it was a teammate, Shawn Marion, who led the Suns in points, rebounds, steals and blocks! One of only three players to average better than 20 points and 10 rebounds last season (Kevin Garnett and Elton Brand were the others), Marion is the team’s most versatile defender and should continue to produce with quiet consistency.

After roster overhauls each of the past two offseasons, Phoenix largely stood pat this summer. Tim Thomas – who gave the injury-riddled Suns a huge lift down the stretch after joining the team on March 3 – signed with the Clippers, while Eddie House took his instant offense to New Jersey. In their places, the Suns signed two athletic players, Marcus Banks and Jumaine Jones, who could flourish in D’Antoni’s running game.

Phoenix returns the international trio whose emergence last season was vital to the team’s continued success: versatile Frenchman Boris Diaw, who was the NBA’s Most Improved Player after averaging 13.3 points, 6.9 rebounds and 6.2 assists; the “Brazilian Blur”, Leandro Barbosa, who sped his way to a 13-point average in just 28 minutes per game; and Raja Bell (Virgin Islands), who brought a much-needed dose of rugged defense, plus an unexpected boost of 14.7 ppg.

Also back are mad bomber James Jones and Kurt Thomas, whose interior defense was sorely missed after he went down with a broken foot.
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FRIDAY, JUNE 22, 2007
Being Marcus Banks

So Amare suggests the motto for the 2007-08 season should be 'Revenge.' To regroup, run through the league and topple the Spurs- the Suns have to get better. The effort may or may not include Kevin Garnett but as the summer moves on I'm going to write about Suns who are likely returning next season.

We start with Marcus Banks. Last year's offseason was a bust. The team traded away their draft picks. No free agent signing played a significant role for the team. The worst signing of the bunch seems to have been Marcus Banks. When he was signed to a five-year $21 million contract last year, here's what the Republic had to say:

'Banks' arrival provides backcourt relief and defensive pressure. Banks said he has the speed to defend 94 feet, pestering ballhandlers enough to disrupt an opponent's offense. Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver said a Minnesota assistant coach told the Suns: "We know you think Leandro (Barbosa) is the quickest player in the NBA, but I'm going to tell you, we think Marcus is faster."'

This season Banks played in 45 games and a lot of those minutes were mop up time in blowouts. There were stretches during the season where he was inactive and wasn't even behind the bench with other highly paid spectators. Banks averaged 4.9 points, 1.3 assists, and shot 43% from the field and 17% from distance- in 11 minutes.

The numbers aren't great but watching him play was another thing. Banks at no point seemed to have a place with this team. In the dramatic win at Chicago, he was used to pester Ben Gordon (who had 41 pts that night) in a second half stint. It was assumed he'd be used like that all season but the team didn't reveal a commitment to defense until the San Antonio series.

So how can Marcus Banks improve this summer. It was proposed that he participate in the Suns summer league. Banks is considering it but he's also a fourth year pro. What can be accomplished by running with rookies and free agents? Gaining some confidence from the coaching staff might be one thing.

Another idea is working on his jumpshot. The Suns roster is currently loaded with shooters and if Banks wants to emulate Nash- he's gotta be money when left open. Banks is not a shooter and he showed very questionable shot selection in games when he got significant minutes. He showed some ability to get to the rim and he's built like a brick. Banks doesn't necessarily need three point range, a reliable midrange jumper would be good too. His quickness combined with a jumper would make him a better player and a weapon when combined with Leandro Barbosa.

The key element is desire. Marcus Banks has gotten big minutes on bad teams and was the forgotten man on a good team. How will he bounce back when he was panned as the worst free agent signing of 2006-07 and nearly everyone would like to see him leave town. The guy made an effort to be part of the Phoenix community and playing with Nash is very important to him. Will Banks put in the work to improve? Will he have that extra fire to give himself and the team a competitive edge?

Banks' contract is pretty much untradable so I think that he's at a professional crossroads. He has to produce to earn his contract, earn his spot on this team or showcase his talent for a trade. It's all on Marcus. Revenge for him would be shutting up the critics and showing this organization he belongs.
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