Knicks · Knicks Emerging in Jamal Crawford Chase (page 4)

People seem to keep forgetting that we have Iman to help defend on the perimeter. You can literally play JC and Iman at the same time and not have to worry about defense, Scoring or passing from the backcourt. There would be ample amounts of everything we need in that combination. Iman can also play alongside Fields. We'd have a very potent guard rotation. I think adding JC would be a good move. He seemed to really do well under D'Antoni and Woodson. I think they both have a good handle on how to use him.

Toney Douglas 24 MPG last season - 41.6% FG, 37% 3PT FG, 10.6 ppg, 3.0 apg

Jamal Crawford 30 MPG last season - 42.1% FG (career 41%), 34% 3PT FG (career 35%), 14.2 ppg, 3.2 apg

So, who do I take?

Oh yeah, I take the lesser of two evils - aka the guy who will at least play with some effort on defense.

crzymdups wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:If you mean create turnovers and terrible shots from the perimeter then Crawford can do that for you.

context is important here. what was jamal supposed to do? dump it down low to ecurry? have you seen him in atl these past few? he's good.

10-11 ATL 76 0 30.2 0.421 0.341 0.854 0.3 1.4 1.7 3.2 0.8 0.2 1.91 1.28 14.2

Pretty much in line with his career averages.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Toney Douglas 24 MPG last season - 41.6% FG, 37% 3PT FG, 10.6 ppg, 3.0 apg

Jamal Crawford 30 MPG last season - 42.1% FG (career 41%), 34% 3PT FG (career 35%), 14.2 ppg, 3.2 apg

So, who do I take?

Oh yeah, I take the lesser of two evils - aka the guy who will at least play with some effort on defense.

Absolutely. Additionally TD was playing with a bum shoulder. I bet those numers improve. Jamal isn't going to get any better.

nykshaknbake wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:If you mean create turnovers and terrible shots from the perimeter then Crawford can do that for you.

context is important here. what was jamal supposed to do? dump it down low to ecurry? have you seen him in atl these past few? he's good.

10-11 ATL 76 0 30.2 0.421 0.341 0.854 0.3 1.4 1.7 3.2 0.8 0.2 1.91 1.28 14.2

Pretty much in line with his career averages.

if you saw him play for ATL, i think you'd feel different. he's been great for them.

Childs2Duds, i respect you but if you tell me Toney is as good as Jamal, i respect you a little less. you know better.

crzymdups wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:If you mean create turnovers and terrible shots from the perimeter then Crawford can do that for you.

context is important here. what was jamal supposed to do? dump it down low to ecurry? have you seen him in atl these past few? he's good.

10-11 ATL 76 0 30.2 0.421 0.341 0.854 0.3 1.4 1.7 3.2 0.8 0.2 1.91 1.28 14.2

Pretty much in line with his career averages.

if you saw him play for ATL, i think you'd feel different. he's been great for them.

Childs2Duds, i respect you but if you tell me Toney is as good as Jamal, i respect you a little less. you know better.

No offense, but I respect anyone trying to make a case for Jamal Crawford a little less. Apparently you don't know better.

Childs2Dudley wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:If you mean create turnovers and terrible shots from the perimeter then Crawford can do that for you.

context is important here. what was jamal supposed to do? dump it down low to ecurry? have you seen him in atl these past few? he's good.

10-11 ATL 76 0 30.2 0.421 0.341 0.854 0.3 1.4 1.7 3.2 0.8 0.2 1.91 1.28 14.2

Pretty much in line with his career averages.

if you saw him play for ATL, i think you'd feel different. he's been great for them.

Childs2Duds, i respect you but if you tell me Toney is as good as Jamal, i respect you a little less. you know better.

No offense, but I respect anyone trying to make a case for Jamal Crawford a little less. Apparently you don't know better.

fair enough. it's a case of building a team that fits. jamal fills several MAJOR needs here. ability to shoot from the perimeter, create for himself and others from the perimeter. he's a great fit, despite his shortcomings.

Childs2Dudley wrote:Toney Douglas 24 MPG last season - 41.6% FG, 37% 3PT FG, 10.6 ppg, 3.0 apg

Jamal Crawford 30 MP last season - 42.1% FG (career 41%), 34% 3PT FG (career 35%), 14.2 ppg, 32. apg

So, who do I take?

Oh yeah, I take the lesser of two evils - aka the guy who will at least play with some effort on defense.

Nice tray C2D. Last year was an off year for Jamal. The year before he played better.

In 2009-10 Jamal - 45% FG, 38% 3pt !!! Jamal is an overall more talented player than TD. When he's coached properly he can really be a good player. No he's not perfect, but he can help a team in more ways than TD. He's a FAR better passer and you know it. Anyone watching TD and Jamal would say that Jamal is the more talented passer, it's not even close.

Also TD's defense is a bit overrated. He has a tendency to take too many chances. He doesn't always keep his spacing and get's beat too often. He's great at pressure and getting steals, but you can't let that override the other problems.

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Toney Douglas 24 MPG last season - 41.6% FG, 37% 3PT FG, 10.6 ppg, 3.0 apg

Jamal Crawford 30 MP last season - 42.1% FG (career 41%), 34% 3PT FG (career 35%), 14.2 ppg, 32. apg

So, who do I take?

Oh yeah, I take the lesser of two evils - aka the guy who will at least play with some effort on defense.

Nice tray C2D. Last year was an off year for Jamal. The year before he played better.

In 2009-10 Jamal - 45% FG, 38% 3pt !!! Jamal is an overall more talented player than TD. When he's coached properly he can really be a good player. No he's not perfect, but he can help a team in more ways than TD. He's a FAR better passer and you know it. Anyone watching TD and Jamal would say that Jamal is the more talented passer, it's not even close.

Also TD's defense is a bit overrated. He has a tendency to take too many chances. He doesn't always keep his spacing and get's beat too often. He's great at pressure and getting steals, but you can't let that override the other problems.

Actually, like you conveniently left out, last year was not an "off year". He shot above his career shooting percentage and just below his career 3 point shooting percentage.

If anything, 09-10 was that fluke year where he played above his career averages.

With his advancing age and the fact that he's never shot above those 09-10 numbers in his career, he will provide no upgrade to this team.

"ability to shoot from the perimeter" -- he and douglas shoot the same from downtown. even though douglas shot better last year (37 to 34) and career, we'll call it a wash.

"create for himself." -- this is a need for us? we have STAT & MELO did you know that?

"create for others." -- crawford averaged 14 shots per game last year; douglas only 9. they averaged the same amount of assists. once again, even though #'s tend to point to douglas being better, i'll say its a wash.

"great fit." -- Because the knicks so desperately need more scoring! last year the knicks scored the second-most amount of points in the league!

true, we lost billups who averaged 17 a game. but we got chandler, who averages 10 a game, replacing our starting C (turiaf/jeffries) who averaged 2 points a game. i am sure we will be able to make up the scoring in other ways.

He's a terrible fit. We already have players that have a major demand for the ball and we don't have a good distributor. You want to add someone who does not pass and when he does doesn't do it well to the team. I don't know why you think he creates for others. He is a mediocre shooter;not poor but not great. He is a poor defender and a poor rebounder. You can always have another perimeter shooter but it's not a big weakness. Melo and Stat are deep threats though it's certainly not their primary. FIelds and TD are competent shooters It looks like we'll resign Williams and he is a good shooter(though in a backup role on this team).

crzymdups wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:If you mean create turnovers and terrible shots from the perimeter then Crawford can do that for you.

context is important here. what was jamal supposed to do? dump it down low to ecurry? have you seen him in atl these past few? he's good.

10-11 ATL 76 0 30.2 0.421 0.341 0.854 0.3 1.4 1.7 3.2 0.8 0.2 1.91 1.28 14.2

Pretty much in line with his career averages.

if you saw him play for ATL, i think you'd feel different. he's been great for them.

Childs2Duds, i respect you but if you tell me Toney is as good as Jamal, i respect you a little less. you know better.

No offense, but I respect anyone trying to make a case for Jamal Crawford a little less. Apparently you don't know better.

fair enough. it's a case of building a team that fits. jamal fills several MAJOR needs here. ability to shoot from the perimeter, create for himself and others from the perimeter. he's a great fit, despite his shortcomings.

Nixluva I think last season was the norm and the season before was an anomaly. Just look at his season by season.

nixluva wrote:

Childs2Dudley wrote:Toney Douglas 24 MPG last season - 41.6% FG, 37% 3PT FG, 10.6 ppg, 3.0 apg

Jamal Crawford 30 MP last season - 42.1% FG (career 41%), 34% 3PT FG (career 35%), 14.2 ppg, 32. apg

So, who do I take?

Oh yeah, I take the lesser of two evils - aka the guy who will at least play with some effort on defense.

Nice tray C2D. Last year was an off year for Jamal. The year before he played better.

In 2009-10 Jamal - 45% FG, 38% 3pt !!! Jamal is an overall more talented player than TD. When he's coached properly he can really be a good player. No he's not perfect, but he can help a team in more ways than TD. He's a FAR better passer and you know it. Anyone watching TD and Jamal would say that Jamal is the more talented passer, it's not even close.

Also TD's defense is a bit overrated. He has a tendency to take too many chances. He doesn't always keep his spacing and get's beat too often. He's great at pressure and getting steals, but you can't let that override the other problems.

BigSm00th wrote:"ability to shoot from the perimeter" -- he and douglas shoot the same from downtown. even though douglas shot better last year (37 to 34) and career, we'll call it a wash.

"create for himself." -- this is a need for us? we have STAT & MELO did you know that?

"create for others." -- crawford averaged 14 shots per game last year; douglas only 9. they averaged the same amount of assists. once again, even though #'s tend to point to douglas being better, i'll say its a wash.

"great fit." -- Because the knicks so desperately need more scoring! last year the knicks scored the second-most amount of points in the league!

true, we lost billups who averaged 17 a game. but we got chandler, who averages 10 a game, replacing our starting C (turiaf/jeffries) who averaged 2 points a game. i am sure we will be able to make up the scoring in other ways.

it's not about scoring, it's about the type of players and the way you can score. think of the boston series. you think jamal would have the same showing as toney?

jamal is a guy who shows up for this team and would be a great fit.

There's no luv for JC? I don't think anybody watched him play in ATL. He's not the same JC he was before. He understands his role now and at 32, he will do what he has to do to win. He's already proved that as the 6th man in ATL. And had his best years under these same coaches.....Plus, you don't want to see him and Rose killing the garden the next few years....

JC vs TD vs Barea

PG - JC
SG - JC
Playmaker - JC/Barea
Scorer - JC
Clutch - JC
Feels the need at PG and SG - JC
Can guard SG's - JC
Guarding PG's - JC/TD (Don't overrate TD please....he's decent but not a lockdown defender)

With this current team, we have two major holes to fill, and JC fills them both. PG and outside shooting. Plus, at 6'5 he has the height to see over most PG's to make those half court entry passes.

This would be a great move! And I'm a TD fan! But I'm also a Shrump fan....What we will miss in TD, as far as defense, I believe Shrump would feel that void and even more.

Shrump
JC
Melo
Amare
Chandler

How can you not like this lineup.....

TD
JC
Melo
Amare
Chandler

You can't go wrong either way....

The point is we need to fill these needs, and I like how the Knicks are doing this. They are actually making solid basketball moves. Bibby was another smart cheap move, with off the bench veteran leadership. Believe me, outside of Melo and Amare....We do not have a reliable offensive threat. Trust me when I say, you don't want to see Fields at the SG position. Fields is a slasher, who plays better at SF. Thats why his numbers dropped when Melo came.

Personally, I would rather give up Fields than TD. With Amare and Chandler, they allow you to use different lineups....Go small ball at the 3, and still be affective.

Nobody has given any logical reason why Crawford would be good for this team other than the usual "he will be good the team, you just wait and see" responses.

crzymdups wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:"ability to shoot from the perimeter" -- he and douglas shoot the same from downtown. even though douglas shot better last year (37 to 34) and career, we'll call it a wash.

"create for himself." -- this is a need for us? we have STAT & MELO did you know that?

"create for others." -- crawford averaged 14 shots per game last year; douglas only 9. they averaged the same amount of assists. once again, even though #'s tend to point to douglas being better, i'll say its a wash.

"great fit." -- Because the knicks so desperately need more scoring! last year the knicks scored the second-most amount of points in the league!

true, we lost billups who averaged 17 a game. but we got chandler, who averages 10 a game, replacing our starting C (turiaf/jeffries) who averaged 2 points a game. i am sure we will be able to make up the scoring in other ways.

it's not about scoring, it's about the type of players and the way you can score. think of the boston series. you think jamal would have the same showing as toney?

jamal is a guy who shows up for this team and would be a great fit.

STAT was out in the boston series and we didn't have chandler.

who guards derrick rose in a series with chicago?

BigSm00th wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:"ability to shoot from the perimeter" -- he and douglas shoot the same from downtown. even though douglas shot better last year (37 to 34) and career, we'll call it a wash.

"create for himself." -- this is a need for us? we have STAT & MELO did you know that?

"create for others." -- crawford averaged 14 shots per game last year; douglas only 9. they averaged the same amount of assists. once again, even though #'s tend to point to douglas being better, i'll say its a wash.

"great fit." -- Because the knicks so desperately need more scoring! last year the knicks scored the second-most amount of points in the league!

true, we lost billups who averaged 17 a game. but we got chandler, who averages 10 a game, replacing our starting C (turiaf/jeffries) who averaged 2 points a game. i am sure we will be able to make up the scoring in other ways.

it's not about scoring, it's about the type of players and the way you can score. think of the boston series. you think jamal would have the same showing as toney?

jamal is a guy who shows up for this team and would be a great fit.

STAT was out in the boston series and we didn't have chandler.

who guards derrick rose in a series with chicago?

shumpert

crzymdups wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:"ability to shoot from the perimeter" -- he and douglas shoot the same from downtown. even though douglas shot better last year (37 to 34) and career, we'll call it a wash.

"create for himself." -- this is a need for us? we have STAT & MELO did you know that?

"create for others." -- crawford averaged 14 shots per game last year; douglas only 9. they averaged the same amount of assists. once again, even though #'s tend to point to douglas being better, i'll say its a wash.

"great fit." -- Because the knicks so desperately need more scoring! last year the knicks scored the second-most amount of points in the league!

true, we lost billups who averaged 17 a game. but we got chandler, who averages 10 a game, replacing our starting C (turiaf/jeffries) who averaged 2 points a game. i am sure we will be able to make up the scoring in other ways.

it's not about scoring, it's about the type of players and the way you can score. think of the boston series. you think jamal would have the same showing as toney?

jamal is a guy who shows up for this team and would be a great fit.

STAT was out in the boston series and we didn't have chandler.

who guards derrick rose in a series with chicago?

shumpert

No one person in this league guards D.Rose....But with Chandler guarding the rim, you at least take that part of defense out, and now you can guard Rose better as a team....Shumpert also has the length on Rose, so he can guard his jumper, or force him into the lions den, where you have three players waiting for him....7'1, 6'10 and 6'9 forwards as your last line of defense.

No more easy buckets at the rim fellas.....Chandler will help improve guard defense now! The problem will be on offense....Who will help stretch the floor? JC is a perfect fit! This is the best time to get him in his career....If it was a young JC, I would agree with most.....

It's a lot to ask of SHump to be an average PG in the NBA. That's not the usual progression of most NBA points. Especially those that are deemed to be possibly playing out of position. A scary scenario if we got JC would be a Bibby/JC combo which would emerge since you tossed away TD. How many 50 point nights would opposing guards have on us? How is offense going to be a problem? I thought we had Melo and Stat? Didn't we just upgrade our C position at offense too? Or was JJ lighting opposing centers up?

blkexec wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:"ability to shoot from the perimeter" -- he and douglas shoot the same from downtown. even though douglas shot better last year (37 to 34) and career, we'll call it a wash.

"create for himself." -- this is a need for us? we have STAT & MELO did you know that?

"create for others." -- crawford averaged 14 shots per game last year; douglas only 9. they averaged the same amount of assists. once again, even though #'s tend to point to douglas being better, i'll say its a wash.

"great fit." -- Because the knicks so desperately need more scoring! last year the knicks scored the second-most amount of points in the league!

true, we lost billups who averaged 17 a game. but we got chandler, who averages 10 a game, replacing our starting C (turiaf/jeffries) who averaged 2 points a game. i am sure we will be able to make up the scoring in other ways.

it's not about scoring, it's about the type of players and the way you can score. think of the boston series. you think jamal would have the same showing as toney?

jamal is a guy who shows up for this team and would be a great fit.

STAT was out in the boston series and we didn't have chandler.

who guards derrick rose in a series with chicago?

shumpert

No one person in this league guards D.Rose....But with Chandler guarding the rim, you at least take that part of defense out, and now you can guard Rose better as a team....Shumpert also has the length on Rose, so he can guard his jumper, or force him into the lions den, where you have three players waiting for him....7'1, 6'10 and 6'9 forwards as your last line of defense.

No more easy buckets at the rim fellas.....Chandler will help improve guard defense now! The problem will be on offense....Who will help stretch the floor? JC is a perfect fit! This is the best time to get him in his career....If it was a young JC, I would agree with most.....

Childs2Dudley wrote:Nobody has given any logical reason why Crawford would be good for this team other than the usual "he will be good the team, you just wait and see" responses.

How about STAT and Melo don't play 48 minutes a game. You can either start JC at the 2 or bring him off the bench as a 6th. He can also play point for a few minutes a game. However, I'm not in favor of getting rid of TD....the kid is getting better and isn't close to his ceiling.

Where's Michael Redd??