Knicks · Shumpert should start the next game (page 2)

the problem is we are wasting the talents of our starting frontcourt starting a terrible backcourt that doesn't create easy shots. Everything is hectic on offense and defense to start games because a lot of 1 on 1 black hole play and chucking. Which leads to bad transition D and defensive rebounding. Shumpert needs to start immediately or his offense will be useless off the bench as it was was today when you are getting blown out by horrific teams every game right off bat. We need better starts then having a guy like TD providing offense off the bench against other teams second units will be effective in sustaining leads

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MSG3 wrote:Anybody but Fields. I like the kid but he's completely lost. No confidence whatsoever. Shump was unreal tonight. But so was Jorts in Sacramento. Let's see him put. Few good ones together.

Bu based on what fields is doing I agree Shump should start.

you risk losing him forever if you do that though

I for one don't really care if he is lost forever. Improvement doesn't seem like it's coming. Is he all of a sudden gonna start hitting open shots? Or gain a better handle? Or gain some play making abilities? It's way too much coddling of Fields and TD. Sometimes u need to be insulted or benched. It's called accountability. That's why they chuck up so many bad shots cause they have no fear of consequences.

I'm not big on starting rookies out of the gate because it leads to problems later. Fields being a good example

Every Player is different. Shump will never have a confidence issue which is the major factor to the so called "Rookie Wall".

I know the Knicks have immediate considerations to address. But you try to put young professionals in a situation to succeed consistently.

If Shumpert is getting 30 minutes anyway, I say let him beat up on the opponent's second team. The Knicks need someone for that role anyway

So u don't mind us continually stinking it up to begin the game and bringing in our strongest guard when we are down double digits. That's the recipe for success? It's easier to sustain a lead then to come back from a deficit. I would understand your concept if one of our backcourt guys was strong...but with both TD and Fields stinking it up there is no excuse not to start Shumpert right now.

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MSG3 wrote:Anybody but Fields. I like the kid but he's completely lost. No confidence whatsoever. Shump was unreal tonight. But so was Jorts in Sacramento. Let's see him put. Few good ones together.

Bu based on what fields is doing I agree Shump should start.

you risk losing him forever if you do that though

I for one don't really care if he is lost forever. Improvement doesn't seem like it's coming. Is he all of a sudden gonna start hitting open shots? Or gain a better handle? Or gain some play making abilities? It's way too much coddling of Fields and TD. Sometimes u need to be insulted or benched. It's called accountability. That's why they chuck up so many bad shots cause they have no fear of consequences.

I'm not big on starting rookies out of the gate because it leads to problems later. Fields being a good example

Every Player is different. Shump will never have a confidence issue which is the major factor to the so called "Rookie Wall".

I know the Knicks have immediate considerations to address. But you try to put young professionals in a situation to succeed consistently.

If Shumpert is getting 30 minutes anyway, I say let him beat up on the opponent's second team. The Knicks need someone for that role anyway

So u don't mind us continually stinking it up to begin the game and bringing in our strongest guard when we are down double digits. That's the recipe for success? It's easier to sustain a lead then to come back from a deficit. I would understand your concept if one of our backcourt guys was strong...but with both TD and Fields stinking it up there is no excuse not to start Shumpert right now.

We're going to continue to disagree... you are trying to maximize the results of the next game. I am saying the Knicks should do what's best for Shumpert's career as I believe that that is what is best for the franchise. You bring in an experienced professional and throw him into the fire when expectations are high. Maybe you start Shump when he shows consistently that he is the best available option, but he hasn't done that yet because he hasn't even played 100 minutes yet

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MSG3 wrote:Anybody but Fields. I like the kid but he's completely lost. No confidence whatsoever. Shump was unreal tonight. But so was Jorts in Sacramento. Let's see him put. Few good ones together.

Bu based on what fields is doing I agree Shump should start.

you risk losing him forever if you do that though

I for one don't really care if he is lost forever. Improvement doesn't seem like it's coming. Is he all of a sudden gonna start hitting open shots? Or gain a better handle? Or gain some play making abilities? It's way too much coddling of Fields and TD. Sometimes u need to be insulted or benched. It's called accountability. That's why they chuck up so many bad shots cause they have no fear of consequences.

I'm not big on starting rookies out of the gate because it leads to problems later. Fields being a good example

Every Player is different. Shump will never have a confidence issue which is the major factor to the so called "Rookie Wall".

I know the Knicks have immediate considerations to address. But you try to put young professionals in a situation to succeed consistently.

If Shumpert is getting 30 minutes anyway, I say let him beat up on the opponent's second team. The Knicks need someone for that role anyway

So u don't mind us continually stinking it up to begin the game and bringing in our strongest guard when we are down double digits. That's the recipe for success? It's easier to sustain a lead then to come back from a deficit. I would understand your concept if one of our backcourt guys was strong...but with both TD and Fields stinking it up there is no excuse not to start Shumpert right now.

We're going to continue to disagree... you are trying to maximize the results of the next game. I am saying the Knicks should do what's best for Shumpert's career as I believe that that is what is best for the franchise. You bring in an experienced professional and throw him into the fire when expectations are high. Maybe you start Shump when he shows consistently that he is the best available option, but he hasn't done that yet because he hasn't even played 100 minutes yet

No I'm speaking long term as well. Better to get him through the growing pains early in the season since it's clear he is our best option at SG. I agree with u to certain extent but other rookies have started and relished the role or learned even more by experiencing the "rookie mistakes". We can't afford to have such a terrible starting backcourt. It's arguably the worst starting back court in the NBA. It's a disservice to the fans and to the frontline when u don't have one back court guy who can penetrate or create.

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MSG3 wrote:Anybody but Fields. I like the kid but he's completely lost. No confidence whatsoever. Shump was unreal tonight. But so was Jorts in Sacramento. Let's see him put. Few good ones together.

Bu based on what fields is doing I agree Shump should start.

you risk losing him forever if you do that though

I for one don't really care if he is lost forever. Improvement doesn't seem like it's coming. Is he all of a sudden gonna start hitting open shots? Or gain a better handle? Or gain some play making abilities? It's way too much coddling of Fields and TD. Sometimes u need to be insulted or benched. It's called accountability. That's why they chuck up so many bad shots cause they have no fear of consequences.

I'm not big on starting rookies out of the gate because it leads to problems later. Fields being a good example

Every Player is different. Shump will never have a confidence issue which is the major factor to the so called "Rookie Wall".

I know the Knicks have immediate considerations to address. But you try to put young professionals in a situation to succeed consistently.

If Shumpert is getting 30 minutes anyway, I say let him beat up on the opponent's second team. The Knicks need someone for that role anyway

So u don't mind us continually stinking it up to begin the game and bringing in our strongest guard when we are down double digits. That's the recipe for success? It's easier to sustain a lead then to come back from a deficit. I would understand your concept if one of our backcourt guys was strong...but with both TD and Fields stinking it up there is no excuse not to start Shumpert right now.

We're going to continue to disagree... you are trying to maximize the results of the next game. I am saying the Knicks should do what's best for Shumpert's career as I believe that that is what is best for the franchise. You bring in an experienced professional and throw him into the fire when expectations are high. Maybe you start Shump when he shows consistently that he is the best available option, but he hasn't done that yet because he hasn't even played 100 minutes yet

No I'm speaking long term as well. Better to get him through the growing pains early in the season since it's clear he is our best option at SG. I agree with u to certain extent but other rookies have started and relished the role or learned even more by experiencing the "rookie mistakes". We can't afford to have such a terrible starting backcourt. It's arguably the worst starting back court in the NBA. It's a disservice to the fans and to the frontline when u don't have one back court guy who can penetrate or create.

Iman is honestly the only person on this entire roster who can penetrate and create. It is a skill in super high demand given the offensive weakness of everyone not named Melo.

Shump deserves to start he's the best 2 guard we have I don't care about Fields confidence anymore he was exposed he was only good in the open court system he is not good in the half court which is why once Melo came here he went down.

Mray20 wrote:Shump deserves to start he's the best 2 guard we have I don't care about Fields confidence anymore he was exposed he was only good in the open court system he is not good in the half court which is why once Melo came here he went down.

Exactly!

Mray20 wrote:Shump deserves to start he's the best 2 guard we have I don't care about Fields confidence anymore he was exposed he was only good in the open court system he is not good in the half court which is why once Melo came here he went down.

I have always been a major Fields supporter, but he looks bad right now. Shumpert is the SG of the future here so we might as well go ahead and let him be that right now. He just brings so much to the table on both ends. He gives the offensive spark that Crawford would have provided, plus he is our best perimeter defender. Fields either needs to find his role as a 6th or 7th man or will not last. I hope he can do that. I'm still extremely excited about this roster though. Melo, Stat, and Chandler will figure it out. Davis will help. And Shumpert is the major bright spot. He has major potential.

BigSm00th wrote:after 52 combined minutes in the NBA, it is blatantly obvious that douglas is better than both fields and douglas. either at the point (over toney) or at the 2 (over landry), shumpert brings better D, more confident offense, and a discernible swagger. toney plays nervous, and landry looks like he's about to shit his pants for some reason.

toney and landry are 2nd unit guys masquerading as starters. shumpert should start the next game (over landry), and once baron gets back, he and iman should be the starting backcourt.

already we need changes.

That is not possible! I agree about Shumpert being better though.

Shumpert definitely has NBA talent. I dont see him playing PG ever though. I suggest he hone his skills as a SG or scorer off the bench.

AnubisADL wrote:Shumpert definitely has NBA talent. I dont see him playing PG ever though. I suggest he hone his skills as a SG or scorer off the bench.

Shumpert is the best playmaker we have for the time being. So he will do it until a better one shows up (hopefully Baron Davis)

I dont think you hurt his development when asking him to set up the offense for a while.

I think TD gets an unfair amount of hate- he's a bit of a John Starks kind of player for me- he can be maddening, but can also come through with some clutch baskets and tough defensive plays. I think we'll appreciate him a lot more once he can return to coming off the bench.

I say keep Shumpert on the bench- he'd disrupt the offense as a starter a bit (he, Melo and Stat take a lot of shots), plus he gives us some scoring off the bench, and has less pressure with a reserve role too.

Fields, i'm losing patience with- it's been almost a year since he actually played well. See how he does a s a back up SF, but I'm not sure who you play at the starting 2.

smackeddog wrote:I think TD gets an unfair amount of hate- he's a bit of a John Starks kind of player for me- he can be maddening, but can also come through with some clutch baskets and tough defensive plays. I think we'll appreciate him a lot more once he can return to coming off the bench.

I say keep Shumpert on the bench- he'd disrupt the offense as a starter a bit (he, Melo and Stat take a lot of shots), plus he gives us some scoring off the bench, and has less pressure with a reserve role too.

Feilds, i'm losing patience with- it's been almost a year since he actually played well. See how he does a s a back up SF, but I'm not sure who you play at the starting 2.

First, Douglas may get a steal here and there, but he doesn't get in the offensive players jersey as Starks did.

Second, I see what you are saying about Shump on the offensive end, needing shots and all, but he's the only one who can dribble-drive into the paint, collapse the defense and create open looks for teammates. also, we need him at the start of the game moreso on the defensive end. He is a disrupter more than anything. Feilds struggles gaurding 2' and running ff picks. Shump can help our lethargic defense kick into gear when the game starts.

I like Shumpert next to Melo because he takes some pressure off Melo and Amare since Chandler cant be counted on for offense.

I wish Mike would just start Bibby and Shump in the backcourt and let Douglas come off the bench and play the 6th man role.

Shump will make Melo better. Melo is not going to be afaid to pass him the ball

Shump is erratic and plays out of control.

He can penetrate and looks faster than any knick. His shot selection is not refined.

Keep him progressing and establish himself.

If he can refine his game maybe he is a good to go this season.

He is a talent and worthy of an NBA career, but lets not get to ahead of ourselves.

He looks good on a team struggling to find its rythem.

gunsnewing wrote:Shump will make Melo better. Melo is not going to be afaid to pass him the ball

This is a very good point. This team is still weak offensively outside of Melo and Stat. They only trust each other to score the basketball. Shumpert will change that.

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gunsnewing wrote:Shump will make Melo better. Melo is not going to be afaid to pass him the ball

This is a very good point. This team is still weak offensively outside of Melo and Stat. They only trust each other to score the basketball. Shumpert will change that.

You think Melo is "afraid"?

Melo has shown flashes of moving the ball. The team falls behind and we go into "Melo Show".

Team looked good when it implimented Chander and his 6 pts all on dunks in the first few minutes.

our Front line has not had that much time playing together.

This is going to take a while.

Shumpert has no hesitation once the ball swings to him. If the defender backs off or leaves him open, he drains it. If they press him, he drives past them. If he's bringing up the ball after a make or miss, he goes to the first option, Amare or Melo, in the halfcourt sets right away. If the defense is shading Amare or Melo too much, Shumpert creates and looks for an opening midrange, or takes his man off the dribble all the way to the rack (evidenced by that almost AND1 dunk attempt). Defensively, he's already the best on the ball perimeter defender on the team. Either way, we need this type of play in the start of games NOW, not when we're down double digits already.

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RT @FisolaNYDN: Iman Shumpert could start as early as Friday vs Wizards, Mike D'Antoni announces

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RT @FisolaNYDN: Iman Shumpert could start as early as Friday vs Wizards, Mike D'Antoni announces

Yup, Ian Begley on ESPN confirmed this as well:

New York Knicks rookie Iman Shumpert may have played his way into the starting lineup.

Mike D'Antoni said on Thursday that he may insert Shumpert into the Knicks' starting five as early as Friday night's game at Washington.

"I think you do consider it," D'Antoni said. "Now, we'll see if we do it or not. He's obviously going to play a big part one way or the other and we'll just try to figure out the best way to go."

Shumpert has impressed coaches and veterans with his aggressive play. He is averaging 14.5 points, two assists and 4.5 rebounds in two games. He missed four games with a sprained right MCL but returned on Wednesday night against the Bobcats.

The 2011 first-round pick scored 18 points on 6-of-10 shooting, pulled down five rebounds and handed out three assists in the Knicks' 118-110 loss.

Shumpert would likely start at shooting guard, taking Landry Fields' place in the lineup.

Fields established himself as one of the top rookies in the NBA in the first half of the 2010-2011 season. But he struggled mightily after the Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony last February.

Through six games this season, Fields' play has been uneven at best.

He's averaging 9.5 points and three rebounds in 30 minutes per game. He has scored seven points or fewer in four of the Knicks ' six games.

New York has lost two straight at home at four of its last five. With Tyson Chandler in tow, they entered the season with lofty expectations but have struggled to play with any consistency on both ends of the floor. The team's mediocre record is one reason why D'Antoni may insert the 21-uear--old Shumpert into the starting lineup, despite a glaring lack of NBA experience.

"If you're 2-4 you consider a lot of things," D'Antoni said. "We're not having to stay pat just because our record is good. We'll consider it and talk about it and see what happens."

Hope this is true, the team and morale in general needs a change up.