Based on reading your posts, regression appears most places that you look. But do me a favor Boon, and take one more look. Instead of being philosophical, please tell me specifically which of Landry's stats in his 28 minute appearance in the Piston game, indicate regression to you?
Based on reading your posts, regression appears most places that you look.
Not really. I've commented a lot on Carmelo's progress and I don't think I've written about regression at all other than in the past post here.
But do me a favor Boon, and take one more look. Instead of being philosophical, please tell me specifically which of Landry's stats in his 28 minute appearance in the Piston game, indicate regression to you?
I'm assuming Boon means me. It's ridiculous to evaluate progression vs. regression from one game. Overall, his scoring and rebounding have regressed from the first half of his rookie season.
Sorry for the typo. The first half of his rookie season was prior to having a second superstar on the team. When Melo came, that took away a large number of shooting opportunities from the remaining three starters. Also the unselfish passing from the half year changed because Melo was more of a ball stopper instead of being a ball mover.
Here are three reasons its not apples and apples. 1) Less scoring opportunities. 2) Less unselfish ball movement that Landry thrived with. 3) Not enough preseason, and neither Amare or Landry have got their shooting stroke working great yet. It would be foolish imo to make judgements about who is a regressing in a season with almost no preseason and just 8 games into the regular season. Don't you agree?
rvwink wrote:Sorry for the typo. The first half of his rookie season was prior to having a second superstar on the team. When Melo came, that took away a large number of shooting opportunities from the remaining three starters. Also the unselfish passing from the half year changed because Melo was more of a ball stopper instead of being a ball mover. Here are three reasons its not apples and apples. 1) Less scoring opportunities. 2) Less unselfish ball movement that Landry thrived with. 3) Not enough preseason, and neither Amare or Landry have got their shooting stroke working great yet. It would be foolish imo to make judgements about who is a regressing in a season with almost no preseason and just 8 games into the regular season. Don't you agree?
This is pathetic....
Question....what's more important? All the BS you said above or winning a championship? If all you say is true than Landry doesn't fit anymore, therefore he should be put on the bench or moved. Winning a championship is about fitting the right players and catching some fire....its not about babying dime a dozen role players.
Btw...I agree about the short pre-seaon I just didn't feel like cutting the quote....preseason has nothing to do with Landry cuz he's been playing the same since the melo deal.
rvwink wrote:Sorry for the typo. The first half of his rookie season was prior to having a second superstar on the team. When Melo came, that took away a large number of shooting opportunities from the remaining three starters. Also the unselfish passing from the half year changed because Melo was more of a ball stopper instead of being a ball mover. Here are three reasons its not apples and apples. 1) Less scoring opportunities. 2) Less unselfish ball movement that Landry thrived with. 3) Not enough preseason, and neither Amare or Landry have got their shooting stroke working great yet. It would be foolish imo to make judgements about who is a regressing in a season with almost no preseason and just 8 games into the regular season. Don't you agree?
Yes, that's why my judgement is based on the last 40 or 50 games. Carmelo coming could affect his PPG but it is a stretch to argue that it would cut his rebounding almost in half and take about .100 points of his FG%.
He reminds me a bit of a cross between Matt Barnes and Rick Fox. These types of players strive on good teams with good offensive flow / ball movement. Standing around and ISO's kill these guys.
Despite what you guys are thinking is a seriously deteriorating game, why does MDA start Landry and play him 28 minutes against the Pistons?. He is trying to win every game he can to keep from losing his job. Why doesn't he start someone else, if Landry is so bad? Also why was Landry the highest rated player against the Pistons in the +/- rating.
rvwink wrote:Despite what you guys are thinking is a seriously deteriorating game, why does MDA start Landry and play him 28 minutes against the Pistons?. He is trying to win every game he can to keep from losing his job. Why doesn't he start someone else, if Landry is so bad? Also why was Landry the highest rated player against the Pistons in the +/- rating.
Don't get me wrong cause I really like Fields but +/- can be off often (though not always)
VS Toronto, Fields was +13 by far the best on the team. The next closest was +5 (JORTS).
However, he played truly awful.
mrKnickShot wrote:He reminds me a bit of a cross between Matt Barnes and Rick Fox. These types of players strive on good teams with good offensive flow / ball movement. Standing around and ISO's kill these guys.
I agree to an extent....but you don't have to tell Rick Fox or Barnes to man up cuz they compete. They played defense and did intangible things often playing the goon. Fields looks horrible. It has nothing to do with his touches. It has to do with his heart and his scourt presence. He is not competing the way a ball player should.
Sure there are complications. It can be luck that you are on the court with other players who are doing well against the opponent. The lineup who you are playing against matters. But also team players get credit for minor things like steals and rebounds, and keeping the ball moving unselfishly. Maybe you were paying more attention to who was sinking the shots and missing the little things? Over time I do think it is a viable index that contains at least some truth.
rvwink wrote:Despite what you guys are thinking is a seriously deteriorating game, why does MDA start Landry and play him 28 minutes against the Pistons?. He is trying to win every game he can to keep from losing his job. Why doesn't he start someone else, if Landry is so bad? Also why was Landry the highest rated player against the Pistons in the +/- rating.
I'm going to quote a brilliant poster here: "+/- is a great stat when it confirms what a poster already believes. Otherwise, it is useless."
rvwink wrote:Sure there are complications. It can be luck that you are on the court with other players who are doing well against the opponent. The lineup who you are playing against matters. But also team players get credit for minor things like steals and rebounds, and keeping the ball moving unselfishly. Maybe you were paying more attention to who was sinking the shots and missing the little things? Over time I do think it is a viable index that contains at least some truth.
Over the long run I definitely agree but not necessarily with a one game sample where you need to watch the game to see if it is a viable stat for that specific game.
But we don't have a one game sample.
Landry Fields has had the top +/- percentage in 2 of the last 4 games, (Piston Game and Toronto game). Then he had the second best +/- against Washington (behind only Shump). For the Charlotte game he had one of the absolute worst +/-, and he did play awful in that game.
Scoring so high 3 out of 4 games doesn't seem a fluke to me. Someone who is a glue guy can be hard to uncover by just watching the game. You don't necessarily see them scoring a lot of point or even getting a lot of assists. (Steals, rebounds and defense all matter.)
Landry is playing like a second round pick in his rookie year.
No shooting, bad passing, no defense. 
martin wrote:Landry is playing like a second round pick in his rookie year.No shooting, bad passing, no defense.
We both agree that having Landry's shooting percentage drop from .490 down to .410 is severe and disappointing. But I also hope we can both agree that Landry could be a prime beneficiary of Baron Davis getting the ball to the open man more frequently in the future. Since that era seems likely to begin around February 1st, dwelling on what happened recently, when less than mediocre point guard play was provided, and Melo hogged the ball a lot, hopefully won't be all that relevant to how Landry will play later this year when a much better point guard might be able to get him the ball when he is open more frequently.
Melo passes the ball to everyone and they just pump fake and pass it back to melo with 5 seconds left on the clock. How many times do we see him drive and pass it back out. When he catches it under the basket and gets scared.
All I said in my prior post was that the quality of point guard play was likely to improve when Baron takes the floor. Maybe that would be a better time to judge Landry's level of play for the future?
You are right, Melo was passing the ball around more in the last game. But I think once the double team left to shore up some other weakness, he expected it back. Thats not unselfish passing in my book. Thats what Landry needs.
Where's the FU Amare thread?
