Knicks · Ray Allen (page 1)

Erniecat @ 1/12/2012 9:49 AM
Guys, I am definitely liking what I am seeing lately from the Knicks, and do not want to distract from this season. But I have been thinking about this for a while now, and want to get your opinion.

Let me preface this by saying I LOVE Shumpert. He is versatile, a great defender and is one of those guys who will always find a way to contribute.

But even if BDiddy comes back strong, I think we still need a pure shooting guard to get us to elite status. And I also think we need to have Shumpert be our sixth man.

This is where Ray Allen comes in.

To me, the absolutely ideal scenario would be for Baron to come back healthy and provide us with a legit point guard. Then we re-sign Baron (we can give him the minimum for one more season, with the Cavs still paying him next year). And we sign Ray Allen as a free agent, using the midlevel exception.

We'd have Baron, Allen and Shumpert as our guards. Not bad.

Shumpert and Jorts leading the second unit would be awesome. And having a starting backcourt of BDiddy and Allen would be pretty sweet.

Am I missing something here?

Would we be able to entice Allen with the midlevel?

I know many here want us to use the exception for a point guard, but to me, we would be better off bringing back Baron (if he proves worthy) and using the exception for a good shooting guard, namely Allen.

Nalod @ 1/12/2012 9:53 AM

Not gonna worry about next season.

It is possible that Lando can further evolve his game and become a valuable cog in the machine.

Never discount the power of internal growth.

Lets see how Ray finish's the season also. Way too much to happen between now and then.

Erniecat @ 1/12/2012 9:57 AM
Nalod wrote:
Not gonna worry about next season.

It is possible that Lando can further evolve his game and become a valuable cog in the machine.

Never discount the power of internal growth.

Lets see how Ray finish's the season also. Way too much to happen between now and then.

Fair enough. But as I watch the Knicks, I can't help but think how great we can be with a shooting guard who can shoot.

DurzoBlint @ 1/12/2012 9:57 AM
pass.
Panos @ 1/12/2012 10:11 AM
I'd sign him in a heartbeat. Not sure he does though.
DrAlphaeus @ 1/12/2012 10:19 AM
I know whose jersey Spike would be wearing. I'd love to see Jesus in blue and orange.
martin @ 1/12/2012 10:52 AM
He would want the MLE for a few years. I would want to see the Knicks use the MLE for a guy in his prime for 3-4 years. Wilson Chandler.

vet mins to Nash, Grant Hill who maybe take deep paycut to chase trophy.

DurzoBlint @ 1/12/2012 10:56 AM
martin wrote:He would want the MLE for a few years. I would want to see the Knicks use the MLE for a guy in his prime for 3-4 years. Wilson Chandler.

vet mins to Nash, Grant Hill who maybe take deep paycut to chase trophy.

+1

TheGame @ 1/12/2012 11:04 AM
Ray still has game. I think he could play 2 mores years without a big drop-off. I would sign him if he were willing to take the MLE for 2 years. But the priority will probably be resigning Davis, assuming he performs as expected this year. I don't Ray Allen will ever be a Knick.
martin @ 1/12/2012 11:10 AM
TheGame wrote:Ray still has game. I think he could play 2 mores years without a big drop-off. I would sign him if he were willing to take the MLE for 2 years. But the priority will probably be resigning Davis, assuming he performs as expected this year. I don't Ray Allen will ever be a Knick.

right, he staying in Boston anyway.

Nalod @ 1/12/2012 11:38 AM
Erniecat wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Not gonna worry about next season.

It is possible that Lando can further evolve his game and become a valuable cog in the machine.

Never discount the power of internal growth.

Lets see how Ray finish's the season also. Way too much to happen between now and then.

Fair enough. But as I watch the Knicks, I can't help but think how great we can be with a shooting guard who can shoot.

No doubt its easy to take random players as thoughts and roster them.

Moonangie @ 1/12/2012 11:58 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
martin wrote:He would want the MLE for a few years. I would want to see the Knicks use the MLE for a guy in his prime for 3-4 years. Wilson Chandler.

vet mins to Nash, Grant Hill who maybe take deep paycut to chase trophy.

+1

+2

jrodmc @ 1/12/2012 12:03 PM
Nalod wrote:
Erniecat wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Not gonna worry about next season.

It is possible that Lando can further evolve his game and become a valuable cog in the machine.

Never discount the power of internal growth.

Lets see how Ray finish's the season also. Way too much to happen between now and then.

Fair enough. But as I watch the Knicks, I can't help but think how great we can be with a shooting guard who can shoot.

No doubt its easy to take random players as thoughts and roster them.

Especially really old random players...some of them playing overseas (Marbles)...some of them not even playing...(AI)

I'd still like to see Spree make a comeback...maybe borrow a credit card from someone and buy a whole section of seating to see JimmyD and the BlueDownbeats perform as the opener to the next Leon Redbone concert... Tell me Spike couldn't spin a movie out of that whole deal in less than 6 months...

RonRon @ 1/12/2012 12:53 PM
I have a tough time deciding if I would rather have Ray or KG. I think they are both looking for a ring with the team that can pay them the most.
In the area of 2-3 years I would say, I think most teams would offer a partial contract for the 3rd year though.
They both still got game and would be perfect players to add but I think the MLE would not cut it.

KG would be a player that can play PF/C that we need. He is capable of playing Center with Amare and PF with Chandler.
I love Jorts, but he doesn't have the quickness and athleticism to guard the young "Jermaine Oneal" type of bodies.
Maybe he will tone it down even more next year and take his game to another level. But this year I think we could us a player capable
of taking these minutes away from JJ.

Defensively, he might work with Chandler, but with 2 players that aren't shooters, and Melo on the court, and you can just imagine
Melo would have a harder time taking it in, thus taking mid range jumpers with no ball movement. I think those can be great momentum changers and initiates our opponents
fast breaks because they expect Melo to try to score, the disciplined teams all box out, and are ready to start the fast break. I am sure its noticed in all scouts and will be used against us, where Melo/Dantoni should look to counter this move. Melo made a couple of nice passes to Jorts and a few others for the shot. But in towards the middle of the 4th till the end, he really killed a lot of chemistry and gave Philly back a chance.

As for playing with Amare, he probably would be playing the PF and Amare will log back some minutes at Center. This might help Amare a bit as he can blow by centers but again, expect JJ's man to be cheating at guarding Amare and whoever for most of the time.

It also seems like KG and Ray Allen have that "hate" in the Garden that some people also have towards them.
People forget Melo sucker punched Mardy, Fishlips, or Nate Robinson not too long ago.
I liked Mardy, thought he had a chance to be something special too.
Anyhow, just saying, it seems to be forgotten as Melo did punk us b4....

We need to replenish our bench with talent and depth. 2 way players are much needed, with a combination of veterans and youth *players under 28*
There are a lot of players to choose from in the summer and it will depend on who will the best players that will come at a discount.
Our MLE is the best chance to add the most skilled player. We still have the 2 other exceptions to use as well.
I have a question about Fields, while I wouldn't use the MLE to keep him. Is it possible to give him the 2nd exemption to use with a 2-3 year deal, with an opt out or team option
after 1 year? We would then have his bird rights and could go over the cap and give him a better deal next year. I think his value is somewhere between 3-7m but again, he isn't worth using the MLE on. If not, we should probably look to package him for another player. I haven't watched Ariza play this year, but I noticed he has had some injuries.
If he can play back at the same level he did with the Lakers Championship, he can be a great player to have on our roster. He has another 2-3 year contract with his last year being a player option. He makes, 6.8m, 7.25, and 7.75m, with New Orleans being over the cap till next year, meaning we cant trade for him this year because we can't match up the salaries.
New Orleans has Aminu, Carl Laundry, and Bellini with a couple combo guards that play the same position. I would think they would be looking to save money and would be willing to trade Ariza. However, only Ariza, Jarret Jack, and Aminu have contracts beyond this year.

loweyecue @ 1/12/2012 1:41 PM
martin wrote:He would want the MLE for a few years. I would want to see the Knicks use the MLE for a guy in his prime for 3-4 years. Wilson Chandler.

vet mins to Nash, Grant Hill who maybe take deep paycut to chase trophy.

No to Grant Hill. I am tired of this POS using my team as anegotiating ploy every time he needs a contract. Phuck Hill, he can go rot in hell or Phoenix or whatever. Other than that I agree.

knicks1248 @ 1/12/2012 1:43 PM
martin wrote:He would want the MLE for a few years. I would want to see the Knicks use the MLE for a guy in his prime for 3-4 years. Wilson Chandler.

vet mins to Nash, Grant Hill who maybe take deep paycut to chase trophy.


+2

Panos @ 1/12/2012 1:45 PM
loweyecue wrote:
No to Grant Hill. I am tired of this POS using my team as anegotiating ploy every time he needs a contract. Phuck Hill, he can go rot in hell or Phoenix or whatever. Other than that I agree.

+100

Panos @ 1/12/2012 1:46 PM
RonRon wrote:I have a tough time deciding if I would rather have Ray or KG. I think they are both looking for a ring with the team that can pay them the most.
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Thank you, Captain Obvious. Isn't that what every player is looking for?

loweyecue @ 1/12/2012 1:50 PM
RonRon wrote:I have a tough time deciding if I would rather have Ray or KG. I think they are both looking for a ring with the team that can pay them the most.
In the area of 2-3 years I would say, I think most teams would offer a partial contract for the 3rd year though.
They both still got game and would be perfect players to add but I think the MLE would not cut it.

KG would be a player that can play PF/C that we need. He is capable of playing Center with Amare and PF with Chandler.
I love Jorts, but he doesn't have the quickness and athleticism to guard the young "Jermaine Oneal" type of bodies.
Maybe he will tone it down even more next year and take his game to another level. But this year I think we could us a player capable
of taking these minutes away from JJ.

Defensively, he might work with Chandler, but with 2 players that aren't shooters, and Melo on the court, and you can just imagine
Melo would have a harder time taking it in, thus taking mid range jumpers with no ball movement. I think those can be great momentum changers and initiates our opponents
fast breaks because they expect Melo to try to score, the disciplined teams all box out, and are ready to start the fast break. I am sure its noticed in all scouts and will be used against us, where Melo/Dantoni should look to counter this move. Melo made a couple of nice passes to Jorts and a few others for the shot. But in towards the middle of the 4th till the end, he really killed a lot of chemistry and gave Philly back a chance.

As for playing with Amare, he probably would be playing the PF and Amare will log back some minutes at Center. This might help Amare a bit as he can blow by centers but again, expect JJ's man to be cheating at guarding Amare and whoever for most of the time.

It also seems like KG and Ray Allen have that "hate" in the Garden that some people also have towards them.
People forget Melo sucker punched Mardy, Fishlips, or Nate Robinson not too long ago.
I liked Mardy, thought he had a chance to be something special too.
Anyhow, just saying, it seems to be forgotten as Melo did punk us b4....

We need to replenish our bench with talent and depth. 2 way players are much needed, with a combination of veterans and youth *players under 28*
There are a lot of players to choose from in the summer and it will depend on who will the best players that will come at a discount.
Our MLE is the best chance to add the most skilled player. We still have the 2 other exceptions to use as well.
I have a question about Fields, while I wouldn't use the MLE to keep him. Is it possible to give him the 2nd exemption to use with a 2-3 year deal, with an opt out or team option
after 1 year? We would then have his bird rights and could go over the cap and give him a better deal next year. I think his value is somewhere between 3-7m but again, he isn't worth using the MLE on. If not, we should probably look to package him for another player. I haven't watched Ariza play this year, but I noticed he has had some injuries.
If he can play back at the same level he did with the Lakers Championship, he can be a great player to have on our roster. He has another 2-3 year contract with his last year being a player option. He makes, 6.8m, 7.25, and 7.75m, with New Orleans being over the cap till next year, meaning we cant trade for him this year because we can't match up the salaries.
New Orleans has Aminu, Carl Laundry, and Bellini with a couple combo guards that play the same position. I would think they would be looking to save money and would be willing to trade Ariza. However, only Ariza, Jarret Jack, and Aminu have contracts beyond this year.

What in the blue hell are you talking about

ChuckBuck @ 1/12/2012 1:57 PM
I can never read RonRon's posts either. Too long too convoluted. I usually stop after any mention of Ray Allen or KG
RonRon @ 1/12/2012 2:27 PM
its alright, cause I have been Sh**TED on when I suggested to get Tyson Chandler last year.
I had him as an impact player and suggested us to court him, selling him the idea of being the Bill Russell of New York.
Almost everyone on the board disagreed with me, giving me all negative responses.

I had only one player above Iman, with our hole at center, with Vucevic. I was upset when we picked up Billups contract.
I agreed with Briggs that Philly would probably pick up Vucevic right before us and I said b4 the draft I would select him over anyone else.
Same for me saying Iman has "star" potential and capable of playing PG with his defense making in impact.

So I might not be right all the time, I can accept debate. But I have a vision that allows me to see steps before majority of the people here.
Most of the people here come up with trades that have 1% of happening with virtually no benefit/incentive for our partners.
A lot of you guys watch "Stats" on the box score, watch ESPN highlights, and think you know better than me.
It's alright, you dont have to understand me, just know I am steps ahead of majority of you guys.
Continue to *itch and complain while you can't come up with a realistic resolution to the problem...

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