Knicks · Game Thread: On the day we honor Martin Luther King's wonder and his death so tragic, Go Knicks and beat the Magic! (page 16)

RonRon @ 1/16/2012 8:55 PM
If Melo is going to play this style, it doesn't look like Amare is going to be a good fit.
He doesn't seem to like physical contact, does not put a body on his man, and does not fight for position on both ends.
Rather he would give up position and JUMP for the ball if it comes his way. He not only gives up position easily for rebound on both ends but is unwilling
to guard a shooter that is his assignment as well.

We need skilled players, not 1 way players that are limited. Most players signed from min deals however, are either limited on skills or by age.
Orlando has 4 shooters in their starting lineup all capable of hitting the 3pointer, with 2 players that can post up. With good spacing, good cuts, the ability to stretch
the floor, and ball movement they can be tough the defend.

Turkeglu is not a bum, he is a good 3rd option, that has an all around game. He plays the point/forward, sometimes at the PF sometimes at the SF.
He can post up, take you off the trouble, shoot, and penetrate. Ryan Anderson, plays outside - in, at PF/C. He is a good rebounder, makes good cuts, and
most PF or Centers can not guard him from the 3pointer, if they attempt to, he is capable of blowing pass his man. Even if he doesn't, he opens up the lanes for guard to penetrate.
He has decent speed but generally the 3point shot opens things up for him and the team. With a Dwight Howard and Ryan Anderson as your center/pf, the opponents can not
help, as their hands are full.

This year Jameer Nelson, is playing the facilitator role more, instead of being more of a scorer in the past. He uses quickness, picks, and is pretty strong for his size.
He is capable of penetrating, hitting the 3, can create his own shot, and can earn a step for his team. When the 3 point shot falls for them, Magic is hard to stop.
JJ Redick, isn't just a spot up shooter anymore, he isn't great in penetrating but has greatly improved.

I don't really mind the way we lost this game, I think we played much better on both ends. There just isn't much we can do when they are shooting 3pointers and shots like that.
JJ tried to defend Anderson as best as he could but he was on fire. He is much improved this year and he was just on fire today and for much of the year.
Turkeglu, Redick, and Jameer Nelson also hit a couple of timely shots. We came out to play this game and the score doesn't resemble the game.
It hurts us badly when Melo goes out, as we have no post presence to generate our offense. Without a PG, Amare is no longer capable of generating offense.
TD looks much more comfortable as penetrated today, although Redick and Jameer Nelson aren't great defenders. JJ loo
We lack skilled players, period. We need penetration with speed and quickness coming from our SG and PG, to go with better shooting, especially at PF, when Chandler is in.

nyk4ever @ 1/16/2012 11:16 PM
amar'e and carmelo had no trouble playing together last year, especially when billups (a true PG) was setting them both up. in fact, they played together quite well. that is the main problem right now, to look any further than that is short-sighted.
loweyecue @ 1/16/2012 11:20 PM
This is just bad Karma from all those teams we beat over the years shooting a crazy percentage from outside the arc. It's coming to back to work the averages out. We are regressing to the mean.
jrodmc @ 1/17/2012 8:51 AM
Why would a coach who's entire career has been built on SSOL and having everyone hoist 3's, consistently display almost no clue on how to defend against 3's?

Doesn't Dantoni ever imagine he's on the other side of his white board?

Or was this just a no-execution defensively on the perimeter in the fourth quarter?

RonRon @ 1/17/2012 11:11 AM
jrodmc wrote:Why would a coach who's entire career has been built on SSOL and having everyone hoist 3's, consistently display almost no clue on how to defend against 3's?

Doesn't Dantoni ever imagine he's on the other side of his white board?

Or was this just a no-execution defensively on the perimeter in the fourth quarter?

What are u going to say, guys "dont let them shoot 3s' let them penetrate, they hit a lot of killer shots.
a good amount was wide open but a good portion was also decent defense...

RonRon @ 1/17/2012 11:23 AM
what are u going to to when Dwight Howard sets the pick and u cant go through?
you are screwed either way, you must give them shot, or force em to pass to DH, and pray you can foul him without + 1...

Also what are you going to do when Ryan Anderson sets to pick for Turkeglu?
If you can get over the screen you gotta give Turkelglu the lane...

One of the final plays Iman gets beat when Jameer penetrates with wide open lane....
He went up on him because there was a guy the Iman's right going to set a pick on Iman, right about the top of the 3point key. I think Turk or Anderson?

There team has 4 shooters, 2 ball handlers, 2 post up players, at least 2 players that can penetrate, players that mesh,

thus having

ball movement, unselfish play, options, mismatches,

Players know their Roles, An Identity, a System.....

jrodmc @ 1/17/2012 11:44 AM
And their record without DH would be...?
GustavBahler @ 1/17/2012 12:40 PM
Have to admit that Chandler/Jeffries in the paint looked pretty good. The Knicks seemed to have more energy with them on the floor at the same time. Also noticed that they put away the Knicks right after the starting lineup was back on the floor. It looked like the Knicks were trying to get into some kind of rhythm while the Magic were already there.
mrKnickShot @ 3/13/2012 2:01 AM
tkf wrote:we got beat by the three bozos.. ryan anderson, stankylu and reddick.. LOL.. what a joke..

Dantoni is mailing it in now.. they go to a zone and we dont' see novak or harrelson?

why not sit amare or chandler, I mean dwight was doing nothing plus he can't hit FT's... put in novak and shoot them out of the zone...

I never blame the coach.. today, I DO..

we still are a mess offensively... I feel bad for amare, just no rhythm...

I agree MDA has mailed it in. Same sh1t different month.

We need a coach that even the most loyal of his supporters never questions. You know who that is.

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