As simple as that.
This team is useless without a quality point guard. This is already an understatement.
No point debating if this team can keep waiting on Baron. They have shown they can't.
There isn't yet a timetable set on Baron's return and after yesterday's interview where he said he feared never playing basketball again, I don't think he will suit up at the end of this week nor by Valentine's day.
Even if he did, he can't carry this team alone. This team has proved to need starting quality point guards for starters and even for the bench.
The time to make a move is NOW. At 6-9 in a short season where we still haven't played the heavyweights and we are being blown out by the worst teams, you either bring a good point guard now or simply settle for the draft pick, shutting down the stars.
Its just the way it is. By the time Baron arrives, the hole will be too deep to get out of. Cut Bibby. Include Douglas in the trade, if you can. Get a PG like Sessions, or someone similar.
Do it now or settle for the pick.
Knicksfan wrote:As simple as that.This team is useless without a quality point guard. This is already an understatement.
No point debating if this team can keep waiting on Baron. They have shown they can't.
There isn't yet a timetable set on Baron's return and after yesterday's interview where he said he feared never playing basketball again, I don't think he will suit up at the end of this week nor by Valentine's day.
Even if he did, he can't carry this team alone. This team has proved to need starting quality point guards for starters and even for the bench.
The time to make a move is NOW. At 6-9 in a short season where we still haven't played the heavyweights and we are being blown out by the worst teams, you either bring a good point guard now or simply settle for the draft pick, shutting down the stars.
Its just the way it is. By the time Baron arrives, the hole will be too deep to get out of. Cut Bibby. Include Douglas in the trade, if you can. Get a PG like Sessions, or someone similar.
Do it now or settle for the pick.
Those eight words is why suck as a franchise, why we sucked the last ten years and why we will suck the next ten. While fans fosting this stuff has no impact on the team, the owner seems to beleive the same philosophy as well. Sucks to be a Knicks fan.
loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:As simple as that.This team is useless without a quality point guard. This is already an understatement.
No point debating if this team can keep waiting on Baron. They have shown they can't.
There isn't yet a timetable set on Baron's return and after yesterday's interview where he said he feared never playing basketball again, I don't think he will suit up at the end of this week nor by Valentine's day.
Even if he did, he can't carry this team alone. This team has proved to need starting quality point guards for starters and even for the bench.
The time to make a move is NOW. At 6-9 in a short season where we still haven't played the heavyweights and we are being blown out by the worst teams, you either bring a good point guard now or simply settle for the draft pick, shutting down the stars.
Its just the way it is. By the time Baron arrives, the hole will be too deep to get out of. Cut Bibby. Include Douglas in the trade, if you can. Get a PG like Sessions, or someone similar.
Do it now or settle for the pick.
Those eight words is why suck as a franchise, why we sucked the last ten years and why we will suck the next ten. While fans fosting this stuff has no impact on the team, the owner seems to beleive the same philosophy as well. Sucks to be a Knicks fan.
If it was starphucking I'd understand and probably be against it. But the truth is we can't simply keep running a team without any point guard to the floor and expect some magical transformation.
Hindsight is on the Melo trade being needed or not. Right now everybody hates it. Same with the Billups-Chandler move, the Amar'e signing, etc. Right now any move that has resulted in this mess of a team will get some heat. But those deals can't be undone.
For this season to matter positively, we need to get a PG, even if Baron suits up for us soon.
Knicksfan wrote:loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:As simple as that.This team is useless without a quality point guard. This is already an understatement.
No point debating if this team can keep waiting on Baron. They have shown they can't.
There isn't yet a timetable set on Baron's return and after yesterday's interview where he said he feared never playing basketball again, I don't think he will suit up at the end of this week nor by Valentine's day.
Even if he did, he can't carry this team alone. This team has proved to need starting quality point guards for starters and even for the bench.
The time to make a move is NOW. At 6-9 in a short season where we still haven't played the heavyweights and we are being blown out by the worst teams, you either bring a good point guard now or simply settle for the draft pick, shutting down the stars.
Its just the way it is. By the time Baron arrives, the hole will be too deep to get out of. Cut Bibby. Include Douglas in the trade, if you can. Get a PG like Sessions, or someone similar.
Do it now or settle for the pick.
Those eight words is why suck as a franchise, why we sucked the last ten years and why we will suck the next ten. While fans fosting this stuff has no impact on the team, the owner seems to beleive the same philosophy as well. Sucks to be a Knicks fan.
If it was starphucking I'd understand and probably be against it. But the truth is we can't simply keep running a team without any point guard to the floor and expect some magical transformation.
Hindsight is on the Melo trade being needed or not. Right now everybody hates it. Same with the Billups-Chandler move, the Amar'e signing, etc. Right now any move that has resulted in this mess of a team will get some heat. But those deals can't be undone.
For this season to matter positively, we need to get a PG, even if Baron suits up for us soon.
I have been posting the same thing all morning, you don't make trades becasue you are desperate or frustrated. You make trades to build according to a plan. Right now this team has no plan, it has no GM making plans. This is why you don't just go collecting "talent" or "stars". Walsh had a plan, I don't know what Grunwald's plan is, maybe he is building a team for a different coach. And judging any decision in hindsight usually leads to even worse decisions.
When you make a trade you have to live with the consequences however ugly. Good trades and good decisions often have bad outcomes. You can't predict the future you can only bet on high percentage of success and then take what life throws at you. The results don't make a good trade abad trade, they just mean you lowered the risk but the risk still played out. Happens all the time in real life, pining for more moves and trades usually means even worse results and further agony. You gotta learn when to hold and when to fold.
people need to realize that its not just the PG position. thats not the reasosn we are killed killed by shitty teams. Yes a good pg would help but there are too many other errors they have been making like turnovers,not rebounding, being slow, dumb switching on defense. So there are a shitload of problems
JCrusher wrote:people need to realize that its not just the PG position. thats not the reasosn we are killed killed by shitty teams. Yes a good pg would help but there are too many other errors they have been making like turnovers,not rebounding, being slow, dumb switching on defense. So there are a shitload of problems
I agree but you need to start somewhere. Before we had terrible games like last night, we had bad ones where we defended better and simply couldn't get the offense going. Right now we may be seeing the product of not having a PG running the show for us: people are getting frustrated, less effort on both sides of the court, hanging heads. We look worse than we did a few weeks ago. I think problems are mounting, people are going back to bad habits and so are we looking gradually worse.
I don't believe a PG will cure it all, but a PG may get this offense organized, therefore hitting Amar'e in his sweet spots, doing the same with Chandler, making Melo worry less about passing and even less about shooting every shot for the team, therefore making Shump worry more about penetrating and being an SG than trying to be the PG, therefore probably getting the team to move the ball better, getting everybody fired up and maybe getting them animated to play D.
This is why everybody is putting the savior tag on Baron, which I think is a mistake as he won't be able to play 48 mins, if he plays. You may get the PG and still suck, considering how baffling this team's play has looked. But its worth trying.
This shouldn't be confused with other trades we've made because those were questionable. There is no question we need a PG running this offense and we have none right now.
Knicksfan wrote:JCrusher wrote:people need to realize that its not just the PG position. thats not the reasosn we are killed killed by shitty teams. Yes a good pg would help but there are too many other errors they have been making like turnovers,not rebounding, being slow, dumb switching on defense. So there are a shitload of problems
I agree but you need to start somewhere. Before we had terrible games like last night, we had bad ones where we defended better and simply couldn't get the offense going. Right now we may be seeing the product of not having a PG running the show for us: people are getting frustrated, less effort on both sides of the court, hanging heads. We look worse than we did a few weeks ago. I think problems are mounting, people are going back to bad habits and so are we looking gradually worse.
I don't believe a PG will cure it all, but a PG may get this offense organized, therefore hitting Amar'e in his sweet spots, doing the same with Chandler, making Melo worry less about passing and even less about shooting every shot for the team, therefore making Shump worry more about penetrating and being an SG than trying to be the PG, therefore probably getting the team to move the ball better, getting everybody fired up and maybe getting them animated to play D.
This is why everybody is putting the savior tag on Baron, which I think is a mistake as he won't be able to play 48 mins, if he plays. You may get the PG and still suck, considering how baffling this team's play has looked. But its worth trying.
This shouldn't be confused with other trades we've made because those were questionable. There is no question we need a PG running this offense and we have none right now.
What's the word on Tinsley? 2/10 is the deadline him getting his guaranteed 1.2mm?, I believe. He is the 3rd PG on that team and doesn't seem to play much.
Main problems are PG, shooting, and depth. Give me Nash this summer and we solve 2 of those problems. No one fixing this thing better than Nash right now. Nash/Melo/Stoudemire/Chandler get us most of the way there. We just need more depth. But there is not better fit to pull this all together. And don't give me that Nash is too old crap. We have a 3-year windown after this season and he will be productive for 3 more years. Sign him to 3 years and 5 mil each and it is a match made in heaven. Give Dantoni one season with his boy and judge it from there.
As for this season, with or without Davis, i think a trade for Sessions, Ridnour, or Tinsely as a backup PG would be possible and help a lot.
Why would Nash sign up for this?
markvmc wrote:Why would Nash sign up for this?
He knows the team isn't as far off as the record indicates. And playing for MDA, playing with Melo, Stat, and Chandler in his 2nd home of NYC would be ideal for him. He knows with him the only thing the team lacks in depth and shooting. He isn't an idiot like most Knicks fans have been the last few days.
If Nash goes anywhere for reduced salary, he's going somewhere he can get his ring. That isn't with a sub 400 team which has been thrown together without a thought for how the pieces might fit together.
Even CP3 for free wouldn't turn this mess into a contender. Send a private jet to pick up Phil Jackson or JVG. Have someone in a Dolan costume beg for mercy/kiss major ass and offer a boatload of money. In the offseason trade one of the big 3 for a package that had most of the things we lost in the Melo trade.
loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:As simple as that.This team is useless without a quality point guard. This is already an understatement.
No point debating if this team can keep waiting on Baron. They have shown they can't.
There isn't yet a timetable set on Baron's return and after yesterday's interview where he said he feared never playing basketball again, I don't think he will suit up at the end of this week nor by Valentine's day.
Even if he did, he can't carry this team alone. This team has proved to need starting quality point guards for starters and even for the bench.
The time to make a move is NOW. At 6-9 in a short season where we still haven't played the heavyweights and we are being blown out by the worst teams, you either bring a good point guard now or simply settle for the draft pick, shutting down the stars.
Its just the way it is. By the time Baron arrives, the hole will be too deep to get out of. Cut Bibby. Include Douglas in the trade, if you can. Get a PG like Sessions, or someone similar.
Do it now or settle for the pick.
Those eight words is why suck as a franchise, why we sucked the last ten years and why we will suck the next ten. While fans fosting this stuff has no impact on the team, the owner seems to beleive the same philosophy as well. Sucks to be a Knicks fan.
i agree that the need for a PG is glaring. but baron is, by most accounts, about 2 weeks away.
and they really have nothing to trade for a PG, unless they want to consider breaking up the core.
BUT, i will say if baron plays and doesn't work, you might have to think about trading amar'e or melo to make the roster more balanced.
The thing about signing Nash is that by the time he is available, MDA will be gone. So what's the difference at that point? I guess since he plays soccer here in the summers, I can still see it, but really, might as well stay in Phoenix and retire like a gentleman.
crzymdups wrote:i agree that the need for a PG is glaring. but baron is, by most accounts, about 2 weeks away.and they really have nothing to trade for a PG, unless they want to consider breaking up the core.
BUT, i will say if baron plays and doesn't work, you might have to think about trading amar'e or melo to make the roster more balanced.
I don't think we need to use the core (Melo, Amar'e, Tyson, even Shump if you consider him that important) in order to get an adequate PG for this team. As you say, Baron may be a few weeks away, but a big point in what I'm saying is that you can't put all your hopes in Baron, who remains a big question mark. This team already needs a PG and two or more weeks without one may make it impossible to make the playoffs in April. Even when Baron comes back, we will need a solid backup PG to spell Baron, who shouldn't see heavy minutes at first.
That is why I think this team should check on the availability of guys like Sessions, Rindour or the likes.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:The thing about signing Nash is that by the time he is available, MDA will be gone. So what's the difference at that point? I guess since he plays soccer here in the summers, I can still see it, but really, might as well stay in Phoenix and retire like a gentleman.
Nash has proven to be good without MDA. I don't think not having MDA will take much if anything off him. But he's getting pretty long in the tooth.
Again why would Nash want to be in this mess. I mean teher are better teams out ther that would bring in nash to get them over the top. hell i wouldn't be surprise if cuban who hated losing nash would try to get him as well as deron or dwight this summer
nykshaknbake wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:The thing about signing Nash is that by the time he is available, MDA will be gone. So what's the difference at that point? I guess since he plays soccer here in the summers, I can still see it, but really, might as well stay in Phoenix and retire like a gentleman.
Nash has proven to be good without MDA. I don't think not having MDA will take much if anything off him. But he's getting pretty long in the tooth.
Yea, Nash is a baller any way you slice the cheesecake.
But without MDA here, the appeal of recapturing the Glory Days does not exist, so there will be less incentive, I think, for Nash to bring his ill-nasty balling here.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:nykshaknbake wrote:MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:The thing about signing Nash is that by the time he is available, MDA will be gone. So what's the difference at that point? I guess since he plays soccer here in the summers, I can still see it, but really, might as well stay in Phoenix and retire like a gentleman.
Nash has proven to be good without MDA. I don't think not having MDA will take much if anything off him. But he's getting pretty long in the tooth.
Yea, Nash is a baller any way you slice the cheesecake.
But without MDA here, the appeal of recapturing the Glory Days does not exist, so there will be less incentive, I think, for Nash to bring his ill-nasty balling here.
Nash lives in NY in the offseason so that might help.
There are NO NBA teams looking to part with quality guards. The only thing the Knicks can do is hope that Jeremy Lin gets in game shape.
Shift du Jour
Lin
Landry
Shumpert (let Carmelo heal)
Amar'e
Tyson Chandler
Two years to build quality depth. Two Years. Get used to it.
