Knicks · Waiting On Baron Davis IS NOT A Solution (page 2)
Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It's not about what affects me, it's you all consuming negativity. So what happens if Orlando doesn't sniff that? What's plan B?
loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It's not about what affects me, it's you all consuming negativity. So what happens if Orlando doesn't sniff that? What's plan B?
Rebuild..again.
This team, as constructed, is not designed to win because of 2 players who play the same. Amare and Carmelo just don't mesh well together. even with a point guard like Billups last year they still struggled to play well together at the same time. It's obvious to anyone that we're attempting to fit square pegs into round holes and the results are evident. Firing a coach wont change the overall problem of the team - that despite the nice, albeit overpaid, addition of Chandler, the rest of the team does not compliment each other well at all.
We should have traded all of what we traded for Anthony to get Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Carmelo Anthony just isn't worth it. Great scorer but provides nothing else.
None of my proposals will happen. Instead what will happen is D'Antoni being fired, Woodson replacing him until the end of the season, us begging Phil Jackson out of retirement and him declining, us then hiring *insert retread coach here* to replace D'Antoni/Woodson, us failing miserably again because of poor management and personnel and finally the firing of Grunwald and trading of Amare for what turns out to be more cap killing crap. And around, around we go on this ride we call The Dolan Express.
Childs2Dudley wrote:Good points man. Look I hate D'antoni and think we need a change but as you just said people who think that d'antoni is the only problem are blind. Im sorry melo fans but he just doesn't fit with amare and he wasn't worth all the pieces we gave up im sorry i dont want to beat a dead horse. Amare fit well last year all we needed were a big man and some more depth. I think we could have gotten Paul and kept gallo or wilsonloweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It's not about what affects me, it's you all consuming negativity. So what happens if Orlando doesn't sniff that? What's plan B?
Rebuild..again.
This team, as constructed, is not designed to win because of 2 players who play the same. Amare and Carmelo just don't mesh well together. even with a point guard like Billups last year they still struggled to play well together at the same time. It's obvious to anyone that we're attempting to fit square pegs into round holes and the results are evident. Firing a coach wont change the overall problem of the team - that despite the nice, albeit overpaid, addition of Chandler, the rest of the team does not compliment each other well at all.
We should have traded all of what we traded for Anthony to get Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Carmelo Anthony just isn't worth it. Great scorer but provides nothing else.
None of my proposals will happen. Instead what will happen is D'Antoni being fired, Woodson replacing him until the end of the season, us begging Phil Jackson out of retirement and him declining, us then hiring *insert retread coach here* to replace D'Antoni/Woodson, us failing miserably again because of poor management and personnel and finally the firing of Grunwald and trading of Amare for what turns out to be more cap killing crap. And around, around we go on this ride we call The Dolan Express.
Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It's not about what affects me, it's you all consuming negativity. So what happens if Orlando doesn't sniff that? What's plan B?
Rebuild..again.
This team, as constructed, is not designed to win because of 2 players who play the same. Amare and Carmelo just don't mesh well together. even with a point guard like Billups last year they still struggled to play well together at the same time. It's obvious to anyone that we're attempting to fit square pegs into round holes and the results are evident. Firing a coach wont change the overall problem of the team - that despite the nice, albeit overpaid, addition of Chandler, the rest of the team does not compliment each other well at all.
We should have traded all of what we traded for Anthony to get Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Carmelo Anthony just isn't worth it. Great scorer but provides nothing else.
None of my proposals will happen. Instead what will happen is D'Antoni being fired, Woodson replacing him until the end of the season, us begging Phil Jackson out of retirement and him declining, us then hiring *insert retread coach here* to replace D'Antoni/Woodson, us failing miserably again because of poor management and personnel and finally the firing of Grunwald and trading of Amare for what turns out to be more cap killing crap. And around, around we go on this ride we call The Dolan Express.
See? when you take the time to post you make a lot more sense. We agree about everything except he rebuild part. Living and dying by the lotterty and then endlessly trying to justify playig time for third string scrubs like Jordan Hill and AR is a sad proposition and shows complete lack of any type of plan.
Why should Grunwald get fired if he's explained this process to Dolan, which we know he did. In fact Dolan is back in full control of the franchise again. Everything we've done has been with his blessing. Why would he punish Grunwald for doing what he wanted him to do?
Now to address your critique of Melo. Let's get one thing straight, he may be struggling right now, but he does WAY more than one thing!!! You need to go check the facts, cuz Melo Rebounds and passes very well for a SF. His real problem is not being very efficient and that is something he's got to address, but don't lie and say that all he does is score. Once we finally solve the PG issue it can take some of that disfunction away and allow Melo to play to his strengths.
colombian0725 wrote:If we can make the Amare/Chandler for Howard and Turk than you do it or we find another team to take turk and we have cap space to find a PF Sf or Both and fill out the roster. If we can trade Melo for Deron Williams and maybe Chris Humpries than cool. Shit I'd be happy with Howard/Deron/Turk or Just Deron and Howard and cap space.
can you stop, TC is not tradeable till march.
all your posts, in every post, imply the same thing.
Trade TC and Amare for DH
Trade Melo for Deron WIlliams and draft picks
Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It is easy to say trade our top 3 players for 2 other stars. What you don't realize is that does not solve the underlying issues we have on this roster and we would still struggle just the same. You are being influenced by the poor play of Stoudemire and Melo and mistake it for their inability to play together, i get that, but look at the real problems because if we are left with a roster that includes Howard, Williams, and Turk but nothing else, we will still be a poor team.
colombian0725 wrote:If we can make the Amare/Chandler for Howard and Turk than you do it or we find another team to take turk and we have cap space to find a PF Sf or Both and fill out the roster. If we can trade Melo for Deron Williams and maybe Chris Humpries than cool. Shit I'd be happy with Howard/Deron/Turk or Just Deron and Howard and cap space.
Then you have the same issues we have right now. A couple of good players and no supporting cast. In this new salary cap system, it's not like you can spend all sort of money. Having those 2 players will allow you to get very little help with cap space. How about focusing on improving the real issues, like the worst supporting cast in the league, instead of trying the same philosophy with two different stars. We already have 3 very good players. The questions about them not meshing go away when there is a supporting cast that is actually supportive.
loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It's not about what affects me, it's you all consuming negativity. So what happens if Orlando doesn't sniff that? What's plan B?
Rebuild..again.
This team, as constructed, is not designed to win because of 2 players who play the same. Amare and Carmelo just don't mesh well together. even with a point guard like Billups last year they still struggled to play well together at the same time. It's obvious to anyone that we're attempting to fit square pegs into round holes and the results are evident. Firing a coach wont change the overall problem of the team - that despite the nice, albeit overpaid, addition of Chandler, the rest of the team does not compliment each other well at all.
We should have traded all of what we traded for Anthony to get Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Carmelo Anthony just isn't worth it. Great scorer but provides nothing else.
None of my proposals will happen. Instead what will happen is D'Antoni being fired, Woodson replacing him until the end of the season, us begging Phil Jackson out of retirement and him declining, us then hiring *insert retread coach here* to replace D'Antoni/Woodson, us failing miserably again because of poor management and personnel and finally the firing of Grunwald and trading of Amare for what turns out to be more cap killing crap. And around, around we go on this ride we call The Dolan Express.
See? when you take the time to post you make a lot more sense. We agree about everything except he rebuild part. Living and dying by the lotterty and then endlessly trying to justify playig time for third string scrubs like Jordan Hill and AR is a sad proposition and shows complete lack of any type of plan.
It is misguided Isiah-like thinking that equates rebuilding with simply being a perennial lottery team that uses only the draft. (Ironically we look like a perennial lottery team anyway, though.)
Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It's not about what affects me, it's you all consuming negativity. So what happens if Orlando doesn't sniff that? What's plan B?
Rebuild..again.
This team, as constructed, is not designed to win because of 2 players who play the same. Amare and Carmelo just don't mesh well together. even with a point guard like Billups last year they still struggled to play well together at the same time. It's obvious to anyone that we're attempting to fit square pegs into round holes and the results are evident. Firing a coach wont change the overall problem of the team - that despite the nice, albeit overpaid, addition of Chandler, the rest of the team does not compliment each other well at all.
We should have traded all of what we traded for Anthony to get Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Carmelo Anthony just isn't worth it. Great scorer but provides nothing else.
None of my proposals will happen. Instead what will happen is D'Antoni being fired, Woodson replacing him until the end of the season, us begging Phil Jackson out of retirement and him declining, us then hiring *insert retread coach here* to replace D'Antoni/Woodson, us failing miserably again because of poor management and personnel and finally the firing of Grunwald and trading of Amare for what turns out to be more cap killing crap. And around, around we go on this ride we call The Dolan Express.
See? when you take the time to post you make a lot more sense. We agree about everything except he rebuild part. Living and dying by the lotterty and then endlessly trying to justify playig time for third string scrubs like Jordan Hill and AR is a sad proposition and shows complete lack of any type of plan.
It is misguided Isiah-like thinking that equates rebuilding with simply being a perennial lottery team that uses only the draft. (Ironically we look like a perennial lottery team anyway, though.)
Go ahead and guide is then. How would you rebuild?
Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Good, how do you propose we solve it? Waiting, hoping and praying are not solutions. What is it that the team should DO?
loweyecue wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:loweyecue wrote:Childs2Dudley wrote:This team is garbage.The sooner people realize it, the better.
Is there a reason you post or do you actually have a plan for us to stop being garbage? Let's hear it.
I didn't know my posts affected you so much.
I apologize.
PS: Amare/Chandler for Howard/Turk, Carmelo for Deron.
It's not about what affects me, it's you all consuming negativity. So what happens if Orlando doesn't sniff that? What's plan B?
Rebuild..again.
This team, as constructed, is not designed to win because of 2 players who play the same. Amare and Carmelo just don't mesh well together. even with a point guard like Billups last year they still struggled to play well together at the same time. It's obvious to anyone that we're attempting to fit square pegs into round holes and the results are evident. Firing a coach wont change the overall problem of the team - that despite the nice, albeit overpaid, addition of Chandler, the rest of the team does not compliment each other well at all.
We should have traded all of what we traded for Anthony to get Chris Paul or Deron Williams. Carmelo Anthony just isn't worth it. Great scorer but provides nothing else.
None of my proposals will happen. Instead what will happen is D'Antoni being fired, Woodson replacing him until the end of the season, us begging Phil Jackson out of retirement and him declining, us then hiring *insert retread coach here* to replace D'Antoni/Woodson, us failing miserably again because of poor management and personnel and finally the firing of Grunwald and trading of Amare for what turns out to be more cap killing crap. And around, around we go on this ride we call The Dolan Express.
See? when you take the time to post you make a lot more sense. We agree about everything except he rebuild part. Living and dying by the lotterty and then endlessly trying to justify playig time for third string scrubs like Jordan Hill and AR is a sad proposition and shows complete lack of any type of plan.
It is misguided Isiah-like thinking that equates rebuilding with simply being a perennial lottery team that uses only the draft. (Ironically we look like a perennial lottery team anyway, though.)Go ahead and guide is then. How would you rebuild?
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loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Good, how do you propose we solve it? Waiting, hoping and praying are not solutions. What is it that the team should DO?
What we should look at doing is trading Fields and/or Douglas for a backup PG like Sessions or Ridnour. Also, signing either KMart or JR Smith is a good possibility in march. Suddenly the supporting cast has improved with 2 new pieces. This summer we have the opportunity to sign 1 very good starting PG with the mid-level, preferably Nash, and will also have the bi annual exception to add a player like Camby, Anthony Parker (who would be a great fit at SG) or possibly resign KMart. By the end of summer, we will have become a team built around our big 3 much better with strong depth. Here is an example of what our rotation could look like.
C Chandler
PF Stoudemire
SF Anthony
SG Parker
PG Nash
6th Shumpert
7th Ridnour
8th Martin
9th Harrellson
That is how you build a team.
Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Absolutely.
There are no Trader Joe deals just waiting to be consummated, outside the imaginations of beat writers on a deadline. Dwight Howard is not a solution to the larger problem of corporate structure and continuity. Donnie was (fingers about an inch apart) "this close" to putting the icing on his cake, when it was prematurely pulled from the oven.
The largest challenge is holding the interest and support of the ticket purchasers, at the world's most famous renovated arena, who were promised a reasonable facsimile of a championship run. D'Antoni's message was off message. What he meant to say in December was, "we have a bunch of guys who need a LOT of patience as they get acquainted, we are not ready for anything except learning how to play together". It would have been more honest. Teamwork requires months, if not years. THAT alone, cancels out any proposed roster moves.
Thanks to constant roster turnover, The New York Knicks have not had a stable playing personality for over a decade. There are more former Knicks on other active rosters than any other franchise in the NBA. You do the math.
Our captains must set the tone like captains. A uniform patch does not make you a leader. The supporting cast must get tougher. They all must adopt a "whatever it takes" mentality. Anyone who does NOT dive on the floor after loose balls, sits. Pay attention. Make the pass like you mean it. If a guys gets hit in the face, that his problem.
The month of February holds the answers to this season. The long term answers are not so pretty.
Judging from his animated interaction on the bench, The Answer Man would feel as comfortable with Baron Davis as head coach as he does with anyone seated on the bench. By Valentines Day, we learn if the Baron Davis vigil was a just a charade to keep fan hope alive.
Light a candle.
Knixkik wrote:loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Good, how do you propose we solve it? Waiting, hoping and praying are not solutions. What is it that the team should DO?
What we should look at doing is trading Fields and/or Douglas for a backup PG like Sessions or Ridnour. Also, signing either KMart or JR Smith is a good possibility in march. Suddenly the supporting cast has improved with 2 new pieces. This summer we have the opportunity to sign 1 very good starting PG with the mid-level, preferably Nash, and will also have the bi annual exception to add a player like Camby, Anthony Parker (who would be a great fit at SG) or possibly resign KMart. By the end of summer, we will have become a team built around our big 3 much better with strong depth. Here is an example of what our rotation could look like.
C Chandler
PF Stoudemire
SF Anthony
SG Parker
PG Nash
6th Shumpert
7th Ridnour
8th Martin
9th HarrellsonThat is how you build a team.
As long as your two best players don't compliment each other at all you will go nowhere.
Lol @ Ridnour and Martin making us so much better.
Knixkik wrote:loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Good, how do you propose we solve it? Waiting, hoping and praying are not solutions. What is it that the team should DO?
What we should look at doing is trading Fields and/or Douglas for a backup PG like Sessions or Ridnour. Also, signing either KMart or JR Smith is a good possibility in march. Suddenly the supporting cast has improved with 2 new pieces. This summer we have the opportunity to sign 1 very good starting PG with the mid-level, preferably Nash, and will also have the bi annual exception to add a player like Camby, Anthony Parker (who would be a great fit at SG) or possibly resign KMart. By the end of summer, we will have become a team built around our big 3 much better with strong depth. Here is an example of what our rotation could look like.
C Chandler
PF Stoudemire
SF Anthony
SG Parker
PG Nash
6th Shumpert
7th Ridnour
8th Martin
9th HarrellsonThat is how you build a team.
"Thanks to constant roster turnover, The New York Knicks have not had a stable playing personality for over a decade. There are more former Knicks on other active rosters than any other franchise in the NBA. You do the math."
Teams are not built by trading players like baseball cards.
misterearl wrote:Knixkik wrote:loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Good, how do you propose we solve it? Waiting, hoping and praying are not solutions. What is it that the team should DO?
What we should look at doing is trading Fields and/or Douglas for a backup PG like Sessions or Ridnour. Also, signing either KMart or JR Smith is a good possibility in march. Suddenly the supporting cast has improved with 2 new pieces. This summer we have the opportunity to sign 1 very good starting PG with the mid-level, preferably Nash, and will also have the bi annual exception to add a player like Camby, Anthony Parker (who would be a great fit at SG) or possibly resign KMart. By the end of summer, we will have become a team built around our big 3 much better with strong depth. Here is an example of what our rotation could look like.
C Chandler
PF Stoudemire
SF Anthony
SG Parker
PG Nash
6th Shumpert
7th Ridnour
8th Martin
9th HarrellsonThat is how you build a team.
"Thanks to constant roster turnover, The New York Knicks have not had a stable playing personality for over a decade. There are more former Knicks on other active rosters than any other franchise in the NBA. You do the math."
Teams are not built by trading players like baseball cards.
This is exactly why the core needs to be stable and built around properly.
Childs2Dudley wrote:Knixkik wrote:loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Good, how do you propose we solve it? Waiting, hoping and praying are not solutions. What is it that the team should DO?
What we should look at doing is trading Fields and/or Douglas for a backup PG like Sessions or Ridnour. Also, signing either KMart or JR Smith is a good possibility in march. Suddenly the supporting cast has improved with 2 new pieces. This summer we have the opportunity to sign 1 very good starting PG with the mid-level, preferably Nash, and will also have the bi annual exception to add a player like Camby, Anthony Parker (who would be a great fit at SG) or possibly resign KMart. By the end of summer, we will have become a team built around our big 3 much better with strong depth. Here is an example of what our rotation could look like.
C Chandler
PF Stoudemire
SF Anthony
SG Parker
PG Nash
6th Shumpert
7th Ridnour
8th Martin
9th HarrellsonThat is how you build a team.
As long as your two best players don't compliment each other at all you will go nowhere.
Lol @ Ridnour and Martin making us so much better.
I don't believe Wade and LeBron compliment each other, but good players make it work. And don't bother arguing they are more complete players, because they are, but still have very similar games. Our 2 players play 2 different positions and are extremely versatile on offense. And no of course players like Ridnour and Martin won;t make us better alone, apparently you didn't notice Nash and Parker as a new starting backcourt in this example. A good complimentary backcourt will make us a lot better. That means a true PG and a SG who can actually shoot. Why don't you give our 2 best players time to gel before you assume they can't play together. Have some patience.
misterearl wrote:Knixkik wrote:loweyecue wrote:Knicksfan wrote:Baron was never the solution, though in the Mecca of Hype and Desperation, any change is a move for the good until that change is fulfilled and fails miserably. Not even another point guard, as I suggested earlier, is a solution because the problem is bigger than a simple player.Yes, a point guard would in theory organize the offense and make a few of our issues look less debilitating, but if nobody sees there is something rotten in this team that needs to be solved, you simply aren't paying attention.
The best that can happen this season, and that is a longshot right now, is for this team to try to solve their issues, whatever they are, in time for a late run and make the playoffs. That depends on everybody being healthy and on the same page and the second part may be even harder to get than the first one.
I'd still try to get another PG however you can, bring Baron as slowly as necessary, and pray this group of athletes can behave like a team.
Too much to hope, I know.
Good, how do you propose we solve it? Waiting, hoping and praying are not solutions. What is it that the team should DO?
What we should look at doing is trading Fields and/or Douglas for a backup PG like Sessions or Ridnour. Also, signing either KMart or JR Smith is a good possibility in march. Suddenly the supporting cast has improved with 2 new pieces. This summer we have the opportunity to sign 1 very good starting PG with the mid-level, preferably Nash, and will also have the bi annual exception to add a player like Camby, Anthony Parker (who would be a great fit at SG) or possibly resign KMart. By the end of summer, we will have become a team built around our big 3 much better with strong depth. Here is an example of what our rotation could look like.
C Chandler
PF Stoudemire
SF Anthony
SG Parker
PG Nash
6th Shumpert
7th Ridnour
8th Martin
9th HarrellsonThat is how you build a team.
"Thanks to constant roster turnover, The New York Knicks have not had a stable playing personality for over a decade. There are more former Knicks on other active rosters than any other franchise in the NBA. You do the math."
Teams are not built by trading players like baseball cards.
I understand your frustrations as a Knick's fan as it was a sour decade +
But all you have to stop bashing everyone's opinions in here, as we do have a lot of different ideas on what we need and how we can improve.
Majority of us know, the trade for Melo changed the identity of this team, losing depth, skilled players, draft picks, and most of chemistry.
There are obvious holes and problems with our roster, while we would all like to see the Knicks win.
Rebuilding isn't an option at this point, its just not realistic at all.
We already went all in with the deal for Melo, we won't the ability to start till Amare or/and Melo's contract ends.
Donnie Walsh was very close, half a season, or one summer away from completing his plan.
Yes, we could have had a bright future and the players we have right now don't really mesh well.
But regardless if its this year or next year, we will continue to build with what we have.
We will probably lose some players, especially with the 2nd rounders we have in Fields, Jorts, and Jordan.
With limited moves to make, without many draft picks, without the ability to add talent outside of the exemptions we have it isn't going to be easy but not impossible.
We are almost praying that talent will come to New York at deals to replenish some depth that we lost.
With that said, we still need to find cheap talents and deals that compliment what we have.
This is where I feel Lin fits that criteria and can see him being a great student, with the addition of our short term PG in the summer.
If we can add players like
Nash/Andre Miller
Camby/Bass
Anthony Parker, Grant Hill, JR Smith, Shannon Brown,
Ak47, Kmart, or maybe even an unexpected player.
With the improvement of Iman, Jorts, and Jordan, TD and hopefully we are right about Lin.
Trading is also an option, we won't know till the deadline, if we have a shot at restructuring our core.
It's at least nice to see Stat, starting to regain some of his explosive self that made him a MVP candidate last year.
We are currently struggling, everything looks bad, everyone is being questioned, and pointing fingers at each other.
We need to just win some games and regain some of that confidence, while our injuries heal, and chemistry develops.
There is no question that we do have talent on the roster, they are just not meshing right now.