I agree Lenny was doing a great job with that Knick team. I can honestly say that is the only team since Van Gundy's Knicks I enjoyed watching in over a decade. We had Mutombo at C with KVH and Marbury jellin and playing great together. Could've turned the franchise around right there but Starbury never liked or respected KVH the whole time we were winning and forced Isiah to make the TT/Nazr trades. Of course Isiah made the trades to put his "younger & more athletic" stamp on the team. Because if the former team had any success people would say he had nothing to do with it.
Also can't fault the organization for wanting to make the team a championship contender. The team last year was never going deep into the playoffs. Especially not with MDA coaching them. We didn't even have a center. If it was MDA's decision he'd rather play Amare at Center. But I aplaud Grunwald for making moves to try to better the team and make the coach adjust to his roster which is what good coaches do. Not saying MDA is a good coach but he its a bit of a burden on the GM(ask Donnie) to build a team that exactly suits the coaches Needs. Especially when you can't bring in Steve Nash.
gunsnewing wrote:Also can't fault the organization for wanting to make the team a championship contender. The team last year was never going deep into the playoffs. Especially not with MDA coaching them. We didn't even have a center. If it was MDA's decision he'd rather play Amare at Center. But I aplaud Grunwald for making moves to try to better the team and make the coach adjust to his roster which is what good coaches do. Not saying MDA is a good coach but he its a bit of a burden on the GM to build a team that exactly suits the coaches Needs. Especially when you can't bring in Steve Nash.
How is it a burden when all you have to do is make sure you have a "decent" NBA PG? You don't have to have Nash in order for this to work. We also had a slumping SG as well. No team can win without good guards. Now if the Guards step up and play well, this team will start winning games. I believe they can definitely player better than have. There have been signs of improvement.
a decent nba pg usually has deficiencies like can't shoot, can't defend, too slow. If he doesn't have deficiencies he gets paid big bucks because other than the C position PG is the toughest position to fill. You can't give Dantoni a mediocre PG and expect it to work. See Chris Duhon lots of deficiencies. He got lucky with Felton because we got him on the cheap. Credit Donnie for jumping on him. Fans were very excited about seeing him in a Dantoni system because we remember how fast he was in the open court at UNC. And we knew he could shoot & defend
gunsnewing wrote:a decent nba pg usually has deficiencies like can't shoot, can't defend, too slow. If he doesn't have deficiencies he gets paid big bucks because other than the C position PG is the toughest position to fill. You can't give Dantoni a mediocre PG and expect it to work. See Chris Duhon lots of deficiencies
what about ray felton? dude has a ton of deficiencies, yet he excelled here and was having the best statistical year of his career.
i think this mike d'antoni hate that you've all the sudden developed in the last month is kinda misguided. it's kinda like when you were yelling for the team to trade ewing (you will never admit it to this day but you would complain constantly how the team was too slow because of him)
nyk4ever wrote:gunsnewing wrote:a decent nba pg usually has deficiencies like can't shoot, can't defend, too slow. If he doesn't have deficiencies he gets paid big bucks because other than the C position PG is the toughest position to fill. You can't give Dantoni a mediocre PG and expect it to work. See Chris Duhon lots of deficiencies
what about ray felton? dude has a ton of deficiencies, yet he excelled here and was having the best statistical year of his career.
i think this mike d'antoni hate that you've all the sudden developed in the last month is kinda misguided.
I edited the original post lol
Trade Ewing? Are you nuts!
bro, you're being extremely reactionary, honestly.
We're 8-13. I'd accept it if we played the toughest schedule in the league but we've lost to the worst teams and the same story keeps playing out. Hit shots and we win miss shots and we lose. They never gut it out and get a win when the shot and 3's are not falling. I remember the old Knicks shooting 37% on off nights and winning games.
the fire MDA crowd just wants change in hope things get better.
Players have not tuned him out, they are trying to get the rhythm
Bring in a new coach won't bring rhythm.
The hope of "oooh, if we fire him that means phil jax is coming" is a great starphuch procrastinate mental masturbation.
Its always one more "star" away from being great and fans eat this crap up all the time.
Dolan counts on fans showing up in hope being able to sit with stars, who like to watch other stars play.
Nobody go to a knick game to actually see a win. They want Bernard King 55pt games!
After all, the best fans are in the worlds most famous arena! Really, its most famous for being a great venue to see crap teams!
Knicks will make the playoffs. They should wait until the end of the year if they are gonna fire MDA.
Nalod wrote:the fire MDA crowd just wants change in hope things get better.Players have not tuned him out, they are trying to get the rhythm
Bring in a new coach won't bring rhythm.
The hope of "oooh, if we fire him that means phil jax is coming" is a great starphuch procrastinate mental masturbation.
Its always one more "star" away from being great and fans eat this crap up all the time.
Dolan counts on fans showing up in hope being able to sit with stars, who like to watch other stars play.
Nobody go to a knick game to actually see a win. They want Bernard King 55pt games!
After all, the best fans are in the worlds most famous arena! Really, its most famous for being a great venue to see crap teams!
D'Antoni's team looked prepared tonight. Maybe it is finally getting some familiarity or maybe it is coaching. That being said, speaking for myself I think his philosphy is wrong and while I have no problem letting him finish out his contract, he would need to do a lot to earn an extension in my opinion. I also don't think PJax is the answer or that he comes to NY. D'Antoni defenders seem to be saying that fans that think D'Antoni should be gone have a simplistic view of things and a simplistic view of how to resolve the teams problems. I disagree with that but I see D'Antoni as a very flawed coach and I think the Knicks management has had enough time to see what he can and can't do. I also don't think this group is committed to putting D'Antoni in the best position to win playing his style. Different guys are on the clock, trying to make their mark with this organization and roster wise they have already gone in another direction.
To me if you fire the coach you're basically forfeiting the season. I don't see any reason to do that just now. There's too much season left. YOu fire the coach if the team has given up on him and isn't responding. They're still playing hard, just not great BB.
Just look at the difference in Bench scoring!!! This team has no real firepower off the bench. We lose games cuz there's no depth and our starters have to play great just to give us a chance. Here's the good thing. Most of our starters are playing well now. Not great but definitely better. There are times when the ball sticks and we go ISO, but there's less of that now. Gotta hope it lessens even more as we move forward.
Why wait? Fire him now.
I can't wait until
's gone.
The guy svcks.
nixluva wrote:To me if you fire the coach you're basically forfeiting the season. I don't see any reason to do that just now. There's too much season left. YOu fire the coach if the team has given up on him and isn't responding. They're still playing hard, just not great BB.Just look at the difference in Bench scoring!!! This team has no real firepower off the bench. We lose games cuz there's no depth and our starters have to play great just to give us a chance. Here's the good thing. Most of our starters are playing well now. Not great but definitely better. There are times when the ball sticks and we go ISO, but there's less of that now. Gotta hope it lessens even more as we move forward.
I agree with this. I think you don't make any moves until after the season.
KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Why wait? Fire him now.
I can't wait until 's gone.
The guy svcks.
Really? What is it that you can't see that it would be a waste of the balance of the season to fire him now? There's no one to being in that is better right now. You can't get Jax in here until next year. No one would come in during a lockout shortened season like this. It's not logical.
No chemistry o or D this is not a team its a bunch of players who play hoop for money.
BRIGGS wrote:No chemistry o or D this is not a team its a bunch of players who play hoop for money.
You can't be keeping up with recent events, cuz the last 2 games the team has been playing better team ball. It's far from consistent for 48 minutes, but it's better. Lets see how they finish the year.
One thing that amazes me is how amazing Denver looks with Gallinari as their best player and arguably only budding superstar yet the Knicks last year with Amare chandler felton and mozgov were barely a .500 team. Something tells me KArl is far more superior than Dantoni
gunsnewing wrote:One thing that amazes me is how amazing Denver looks with Gallinari as their best player and arguably only budding superstar yet the Knicks last year with Amare chandler felton and mozgov were barely a .500 team. Something tells me KArl is far more superior than Dantoni
Can't argue with that! Karl is a damn good coach - heck he can even coach Al-Buckets.
