Knicks · So when can we extend Lin? (page 1)

soundcrib @ 2/6/2012 10:29 PM
When can we extend Lin and what are the contract implications?
martin @ 2/6/2012 10:33 PM
soundcrib wrote:When can we extend Lin and what are the contract implications?

dude, you average 1 post a year. you have until 2014 to make another.

gunsnewing @ 2/6/2012 10:39 PM
woah joined in 2001 wow don't even remember you ever posting but excellent question! Anyone know the answer?
mrKnickShot @ 2/6/2012 10:49 PM
can Dolan phuck this up? Stupid question ...
nixluva @ 2/6/2012 10:50 PM
I believe that Lin will be our restricted FA at the end of this year.
CrushAlot @ 2/6/2012 10:52 PM
They need to if possible. Are they allowed to use part of their 2.5 mil exception this year to do something like that?
misterearl @ 2/6/2012 10:59 PM
CrushAlot wrote:They need to if possible. Are they allowed to use part of their 2.5 mil exception this year to do something like that?

FUN in The Garden

For what Lin has done so far, you Amnesty Bibby, renounce Douglas, add in the $2.5 exemption and garnish some bucks from Carmelo's check.

"Yo, are those Lin jerseys printed yet?"

JCrusher @ 2/6/2012 11:01 PM
misterearl wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:They need to if possible. Are they allowed to use part of their 2.5 mil exception this year to do something like that?

FUN in The Garden

For what Lin has done so far, you Amnesty Bibby, renounce Douglas, add in the $2.5 exemption and garnish some bucks from Carmelo's check.

"Yo, are those Lin jerseys printed yet?"

you can't amnesty bibby since you can only amnesty a player from the old labor agreement. Also we used ours already on billups
gunsnewing @ 2/6/2012 11:02 PM
im pretty sure you can just waive bibby. Prob not til March tho
ChuckBuck @ 2/6/2012 11:04 PM
So proud to see Lin doing this in a Knicks Uni...hopefully management does him right at the end of the season. If he maintains this play consistently (obviously not 20+ pts/gm), they probably should give the $$ they were going to give to Nash to Lin to lock him up the next 4 or 5 years.
nixluva @ 2/6/2012 11:04 PM
Lin is due to make $762,195.00 this year and I would guess that we can make a qualifying offer to him at the end of the year.
crzymdups @ 2/6/2012 11:19 PM
i agree - make lin an offer for next season ASAP.

he gets a little security based off two games, knicks get a young point guard who at worst is a capable backup for years to come and best case can be something more.

nixluva @ 2/6/2012 11:23 PM
We're already over the cap and so it's not like we have some reserve money we're holding. So long as we have Lin's rights we can resign him like any player we have. I believe we will have the ability to make a qualifying offer and if that's the case we can match any offer made for him. I don't believe that effects our use of the MLE.
mrKnickShot @ 2/6/2012 11:28 PM
gunsnewing wrote:im pretty sure you can just waive bibby. Prob not til March tho

Damn - I'm gonna miss that guy!

JCrusher @ 2/6/2012 11:30 PM
lets just see what the season holds. I would love lin to continue to do well but we can probably sign him for cheap still
sealy @ 2/6/2012 11:35 PM
Did anyone see Dolan sitting front row? On the replay of the three Lin hit as the clock expired you could see him with an evil Mr. Burns like smirk as the crowd went wild.

Lin - re-sign this beast!

Rookie @ 2/6/2012 11:57 PM
I'm betting he is just hoping we guarantee his contract by Fri so he can rent an apartment :)
crzymdups @ 2/7/2012 12:07 AM
i'm pretty sure Lin will be here as long as D'Antoni is at this point. In all seriousness.

you saw with his impassioned defense of jeffries tonight in the post-game, when MDA finds a guy he likes, he keeps him.

JCrusher @ 2/7/2012 12:12 AM
crzymdups wrote:i'm pretty sure Lin will be here as long as D'Antoni is at this point. In all seriousness.

you saw with his impassioned defense of jeffries tonight in the post-game, when MDA finds a guy he likes, he keeps him.

i always like jeffries. not enough guys willing to put their bodies on the litle for minimum momey
franco12 @ 2/7/2012 12:35 AM
Rookie wrote:I'm betting he is just hoping we guarantee his contract by Fri so he can rent an apartment :)

+1!

His contract isn't even guaranteed yet!

Too bad this isn't like baseball where you could sign him long term and cheap now.

nixluva @ 2/7/2012 2:23 PM
I believed that JLin would be our Restricted Free Agent and we could make a Qualifying offer and match any other offer. I asked Larry Coon and he confirmed this and added that the Arenas Rule would restrict what other teams could offer. Lin could get the Early Bird Rights 104.5% of his salary this year.

38. What is the "Gilbert Arenas" provision?

With the previous CBA it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 19) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State therefore could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas themselves) for up to the average salary (see question number 25), which was about $4.9 million. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed in the current CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the average salary (see question number 25). Limiting the first year salary in this way guarantees that the player's original team will be able to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 19), or Mid-Level exception (provided they haven't used it already).

The second year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 8% raise. The third year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first year salary not been limited by this rule to the average salary. Raises (and decreases) after the third season are limited to 6.9% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the maximum salary allowed in the first two seasons. In addition, the offer must be guaranteed and cannot contain bonuses of any kind.

If the raise in the third season exceeds the standard raise (8% of the salary in the first season of the contract), then they place an additional restriction on the team. In order to determine the size of the offer the team can make, they don't fit just the first year salary under the cap. Instead, they must fit the average salary in the entire contract under the cap. So a team $8 million under the cap is limited to offering a total of $24 million over three years, $32 million over four years, or $40 million over five years. If the offer sheet does not contain a third-season raise larger than 8% of the first-season salary, then they only have to fit the first year salary under the cap.

Putting this all together, if a team is $11 million under the cap, wants to submit a five year offer sheet, and wants to provide a large raise in the third season, they can offer a total of $55 million. If the average salary is $5 million, then the second year salary will be $5.4 million (8% raise). This leaves $44.6 million to be distributed over the final three seasons. With 6.9% raises in years four and five, the entire contract looks like this:


Season Salary Notes
1 $5.0 million Average salary amount
2 $5.4 million 8% raise over season 1
3 $13.907 million This is the amount that yields $44.6 million over the final three seasons with 6.9% raises*
4 $14.867 million Raise is 6.9% of season 3 salary
5 $15.826 million Raise is 6.9% of season 3 salary
Total $55 million Average is $11 million, which equals the team's cap room
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