Voltron wrote:MinsHeartsReezy wrote: I was born in a country that's well known for it's tea production. Would I be offended if someone made an ice cream in my honor that was green tea flavored? Absolutely not.
No, because no one stereotypes, ridicules,makes jokes or goofs on you or your country about making tea.
You missed the point. The point was that the intention of this act of dedicating a lychee flavored ice cream with pieces of fortune cookie was not to insult the guy or to make any negative connotation about someone who has an Asian heritage.
P.S. there are plenty of negative, racially charged and ignorant things people say about people from my country relating to tea-picking under the burning sun if you catch my drift, YOU'RE just not aware of them. But again, taken in the context of what I was saying earlier, I would not be offended one bit. In fact, your comment illustrates my point as in that instance, you were only remarking about tea because I stated the unquestioned fact that it is a major export. You saw nothing derogatory in that.
Further more, lychee are tropical fruits found in Asia, my mother country included, and fortune cookies are something sold in 99.9% of Chinese food restaurants in America. These are facts, not a negative prejudiced generalization of a population. Out of the whole host of fruit's and vegetables commonly used in Asian cuisine, those were some pretty good selections. Durian flavored ice cream with candied ginger or candied water chestnut probably would not appeal to many people or as many people as what they originally came up with.
This incident doesn't even come anywhere near the previous racial slur used by ESPN reporters in reference to Lin. I literally cringed when I read that. There is a clear difference between these two incidents.
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WHat was the flavor called? Didn't notice that in the article. If it's a "Lin" based name, I think I might try some.
In a vacuum, I could see why some Asian people might be offended, but there's nothing tosees here if people would take the time to look at this in context.
Jeremy Lin is a superstar. A big part of Lin's marketability is the fact that he is of Asian descent. It's a huge factor in the story that makes him unique, so it's a given that his race is going to be emphasized when people market him or products based on him. Here, the ice cream store wanted to market ice cream at harvard based on a Harvard guy and found an Asian ingredient to put in because he's an Asian. It's a novelty, not something racist.
the fact is, we're not at a point in this country where we can see this kid (who is American) purely as a good basketball player.
Moonangie wrote:WHat was the flavor called? Didn't notice that in the article. If it's a "Lin" based name, I think I might try some.
maybe STAT should have a scoop—it'll give him some lift.
SlimChin wrote:the fact is, we're not at a point in this country where we can see this kid (who is American) purely as a good basketball player.
Which raises the question...is that necessarily a good thing? Before I move on, I'm not trying to put words in your mouth and I take what you said to mean that regardless of his background, we should simply acknowledge him for his ability to play ball. I'm just posing a separate question to everyone: why can't we celebrate our differences and be proud of one's ethnic traditions and heritage without the negativity. I don't think the solution is to ignore it and prevent people from expressing their backgrounds whether it be religious or cultural. As a Catholic I am more than willing to wish my friends who celebrate Jewish holidays or my Muslim friends who celebrate Islamic holidays a Happy Hannukuh or Eid Mubarak, respectively, by name and it doesn't bother me at all engaging and learning about their traditions as religion, like culture, is a way of life. As someone who was born in a different country and moved here at 4years old, I don't really feel compelled to identify myself as just from one country or another. My Asian-ness and American-ness are both one and the same, you can't compartmentalize it. In other words, you can't take the American out of Lin no more easily than you can the Taiwanese. It's more important to learn about the different cultures and get to know people and what makes them who they are. Lin in particular has a great opportunity as an American and someone with an Asian background to educate people and spread positivity, as well as teach people what is not appropriate. He's done a great job so far IMO. The fact that Asian stereotypes and racial slurs are being talked about are a good thing and will help expose people to what is appropriate and what is wrong, especially for people who may not have considered such things before. I.e. to celebrate his background is appropriate, to publish nasty headlines with racial slurs is not. It's not about becoming an amorphous American society but rather acknowledging and appreciating that American society is quite the opposite of that.
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:I get made fun of for being ugly all the time, it's tough being in a world where everyone values being cool and good looking all the time.
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Moonangie wrote:WHat was the flavor called? Didn't notice that in the article. If it's a "Lin" based name, I think I might try some.
I'm offended they put in fortune cookies, just because they're not that good. Waffle cones though, I'll give it a go.
y2zipper wrote:In a vacuum, I could see why some Asian people might be offended, but there's nothing tosees here if people would take the time to look at this in context.Jeremy Lin is a superstar. A big part of Lin's marketability is the fact that he is of Asian descent. It's a huge factor in the story that makes him unique, so it's a given that his race is going to be emphasized when people market him or products based on him. Here, the ice cream store wanted to market ice cream at harvard based on a Harvard guy and found an Asian ingredient to put in because he's an Asian. It's a novelty, not something racist.
The lychee and stuff is fine, but fortune cookies come with connotations of stereotyping for Chinese historically in the pop culture sense. And I think someone pointed out somewhere on this board or elsewhere that fortune cookies aren't even done in China it was more or less a gimmick started in America.
SlimChin wrote:the fact is, we're not at a point in this country where we can see this kid (who is American) purely as a good basketball player.
But he's so much more than just a good basketball player. When you think of entertainment (movies, music, TV), sports, and pop culture in America, they are primarily represented by Whites, Blacks, some Latinos, and that's about it. For White people (and i'm not trying to single you out or even assume you are white), its easy to not get what the hoopla is all about with Lin exploding in the NBA, or a Black guy in the White House, because this is old hat for White people. You guys had your breakthrough decades ago and basically built the entertainment industry. But some "teams" haven't had their faces in there yet. Off the top of your head you could probably name 100 White movie stars, pop stars, TV stars, or athletes. you could probably do the same for Blacks. If you try to name Latinos its a little tougher but you can name a couple few dozen, now name Asian-American. And I don't mean Bruce Lee (although he was born in the US). Name an Asian-American movie star? Harold from Harold & Kumar? Anyone else? How about music pop stars who are Chinese-American? Can you name even one? times up. Next athletes. Manny Pacquaio is native Fillipino, so not him. Tiger Woods? sort of. Again, times up.
Chinese-Americans are one of THE most under-represented minority groups in all of American pop culture without a doubt. That's why Jeremy Lin is so exciting. They finally got somebody in the club. And I'm not even going to go into his inspirational story. Lin is a genuine Chinese-American kid who has become a pop culture icon. He's not half like Brandon Lee or Hines Ward, he's the real mccoy, and a very big star on a very big New York City team. It's exciting for everybody and exciting for Asian-Americans to finally have their guy in the game. The rise of Jeremy Lin is a very big deal, and is much bigger than the NBA as an important milestone for American pop culture.
Voltron wrote:SlimChin wrote:the fact is, we're not at a point in this country where we can see this kid (who is American) purely as a good basketball player.
But he's so much more than just a good basketball player. When you think of entertainment (movies, music, TV), sports, and pop culture in America, they are primarily represented by Whites, Blacks, some Latinos, and that's about it. For White people (and i'm not trying to single you out or even assume you are white), its easy to not get what the hoopla is all about with Lin exploding in the NBA, or a Black guy in the White House, because this is old hat for White people. You guys had your breakthrough decades ago and basically built the entertainment industry. But some "teams" haven't had their faces in there yet. Off the top of your head you could probably name 100 White movie stars, pop stars, TV stars, or athletes. you could probably do the same for Blacks. If you try to name Latinos its a little tougher but you can name a couple few dozen, now name Asian-American. And I don't mean Bruce Lee (although he was born in the US). Name an Asian-American movie star? Harold from Harold & Kumar? Anyone else? How about music pop stars who are Chinese-American? Can you name even one? times up. Next athletes. Manny Pacquaio is native Fillipino, so not him. Tiger Woods? sort of. Again, times up.
Chinese-Americans are one of THE most under-represented minority groups in all of American pop culture without a doubt. That's why Jeremy Lin is so exciting. They finally got somebody in the club. And I'm not even going to go into his inspirational story. Lin is a genuine Chinese-American kid who has become a pop culture icon. He's not half like Brandon Lee or Hines Ward, he's the real mccoy, and a very big star on a very big New York City team. It's exciting for everybody and exciting for Asian-Americans to finally have their guy in the game. The rise of Jeremy Lin is a very big deal, and is much bigger than the NBA as an important milestone for American pop culture.
What is the % of Chinese Americans living in the United States?
The signs held by Asian decent in the arenas show enormous pride in "one of their own".
Welcome to the club!
MinsHeartsReezy wrote:Nalod wrote:
They should aplogize for not getting it earlier that the fortune cookie material they used got soggy in ice cream.Other than that, I don't understand why they had to issue an apology!
Agreed. They're ice cream people, they should know better to test the stuff first.
This is offensive to all ice cream people.
Ice cream people are underrepresented in pop culture and THIS HAS TO CHANGE NOW, DAMNIT, IF WE ARE TO MOVE FORWARD!!
I think it is ridiculous that this fortune cookie stuff is even an issue. Whenever you order Chinese food, they give you fortune cookies with your order. All this started because ESPN used the word Chink, in their headline. Chink is a derogatory word for Chinese people so the hubbub about it is understandable. But to raise a stink because Ben and Jerry's included fortune cookies in their Linsanity ice cream is not only an overly sensitive reaction, but totally ludicrous.
Endydee wrote:I think it is ridiculous that this fortune cookie stuff is even an issue. Whenever you order Chinese food, they give you fortune cookies with your order. All this started because ESPN used the word Chink, in their headline. Chink is a derogatory word for Chinese people so the hubbub about it is understandable. But to raise a stink because Ben and Jerry's included fortune cookies in their Linsanity ice cream is not only an overly sensitive reaction, but totally ludicrous.
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PS Chink in the Armor is not derogatory 
Voltron wrote:SlimChin wrote:the fact is, we're not at a point in this country where we can see this kid (who is American) purely as a good basketball player.
But he's so much more than just a good basketball player. When you think of entertainment (movies, music, TV), sports, and pop culture in America, they are primarily represented by Whites, Blacks, some Latinos, and that's about it. For White people (and i'm not trying to single you out or even assume you are white), its easy to not get what the hoopla is all about with Lin exploding in the NBA, or a Black guy in the White House, because this is old hat for White people. You guys had your breakthrough decades ago and basically built the entertainment industry. But some "teams" haven't had their faces in there yet. Off the top of your head you could probably name 100 White movie stars, pop stars, TV stars, or athletes. you could probably do the same for Blacks. If you try to name Latinos its a little tougher but you can name a couple few dozen, now name Asian-American. And I don't mean Bruce Lee (although he was born in the US). Name an Asian-American movie star? Harold from Harold & Kumar? Anyone else? How about music pop stars who are Chinese-American? Can you name even one? times up. Next athletes. Manny Pacquaio is native Fillipino, so not him. Tiger Woods? sort of. Again, times up.
Chinese-Americans are one of THE most under-represented minority groups in all of American pop culture without a doubt. That's why Jeremy Lin is so exciting. They finally got somebody in the club. And I'm not even going to go into his inspirational story. Lin is a genuine Chinese-American kid who has become a pop culture icon. He's not half like Brandon Lee or Hines Ward, he's the real mccoy, and a very big star on a very big New York City team. It's exciting for everybody and exciting for Asian-Americans to finally have their guy in the game. The rise of Jeremy Lin is a very big deal, and is much bigger than the NBA as an important milestone for American pop culture.
ice cream.
Then it's perfect Lin is chinese and american-why not a fortune cookie developed in the US for "chinese food" the rest of us should be upset we're not respresented -no matzo ball flavored yogurt or alfredo ice cream. Never thought ethnic food was a slur.
Marbles chimes in......
Stephon Marbury: Amazing how GOD appointed an Asian Kid 2 tell the non believers who don't believe, in NYC who the son of GOD is in the Messiah Jesus Christ Twitter
Nalod wrote:Marbles chimes in......
Stephon Marbury: Amazing how GOD appointed an Asian Kid 2 tell the non believers who don't believe, in NYC who the son of GOD is in the Messiah Jesus Christ Twitter
And, if we need him to, he'll hit the three to win the championship.
Is Marbles being too inspecific to call him "An Asian Kid"?
He is "Chinese American".
Are all "Asians" alike?
I think Starbury is a racist.
Nalod wrote:Marbles chimes in......
Stephon Marbury: Amazing how GOD appointed an Asian Kid 2 tell the non believers who don't believe, in NYC who the son of GOD is in the Messiah Jesus Christ Twitter
I could have misinterpreted that (Which it seems quite easy to do) but did Marbury say that Jeremy Lin is Jesus?
