Knicks · If I didn't know any better I would believe that Melo is sabotaging this team and trying to get Mike D fired. (page 2)
You could see a vivid pep in his step in the last game and his shots just looked like he was firing away unconsciously. He was actually running the plays the way they were drawn up as he did more catch and shoot than I can recall him doing recently. There was absolutely no hesitation.
nixluva wrote:It's entirely possible that Melo subconsciously wasn't as focused due to his dislike of playing D'Antoni ball. You don't have to actually intentionally brick shots in order to be off your game. We know how much of this game is mental more than anything else. If you have just a bit of doubt it can effect your shot. So maybe he just pouted subconsciously rather than being pumped and into it he was going along but not with the same 100% complete dedication with all of his heart.You could see a vivid pep in his step in the last game and his shots just looked like he was firing away unconsciously. He was actually running the plays the way they were drawn up as he did more catch and shoot than I can recall him doing recently. There was absolutely no hesitation.
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Discontent can definitely make someone less productive. This is true in sports as well as any industry. Clearly if one is unhappy and out of their element it will affect them and those around them.
mrKnickShot wrote:nixluva wrote:It's entirely possible that Melo subconsciously wasn't as focused due to his dislike of playing D'Antoni ball. You don't have to actually intentionally brick shots in order to be off your game. We know how much of this game is mental more than anything else. If you have just a bit of doubt it can effect your shot. So maybe he just pouted subconsciously rather than being pumped and into it he was going along but not with the same 100% complete dedication with all of his heart.You could see a vivid pep in his step in the last game and his shots just looked like he was firing away unconsciously. He was actually running the plays the way they were drawn up as he did more catch and shoot than I can recall him doing recently. There was absolutely no hesitation.
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Discontent can definitely make someone less productive. This is true in sports as well as any industry. Clearly if one is unhappy and out of their element it will affect them and those around them.
I agree and don't care...I'm all about wins AR this point and we have one of the deepest teams in e league and are 6 games under 500...I don't want an overachieving bunch of almosts, or an under achieving super stars.
Dantoni can't seem to do what it takes to get us ver the hump, and sticking with Lin (who all of us knick fans who were here before Lin know) is just fools gold...Miami proved that in one game of playoff style basketball.
Now we have a coach that won 52 games 2 years ago with a more selfish less talented roster...
This is our last chance.
Clean wrote:I can't say for sure if melo was "dogging it", but I can tell you this was the first time Melo has looked like an actual superstar to me this season.
He looked like a superstar before the injuries. Remember Christmas?
Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.
Winners do what it takes to win. KG, Allen and Pierce sacrificed to win. They all took a step back and just played smart team BB. As Doc says "no hero ball". This is all that MDA was talking about. He wasn't trying to take away anything from Melo. He was simply trying to get him to play a more efficient style of ball and teach him how to make his teammates better. If the dude sulked and pouted then he wasn't giving 100% and wasn't "buying in". The Celtics Stars did that. I hope and pray that Melo will eventually learn this cuz it's key to winning. It also doesn't mean he's not the man at the end of games. MDA wasn't trying to take that away from him either. Melo has had plenty of game winning attempts for this team. The difference is subtle, but winners always figure it out.
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.Winners do what it takes to win. KG, Allen and Pierce sacrificed to win. They all took a step back and just played smart team BB. As Doc says "no hero ball". This is all that MDA was talking about. He wasn't trying to take away anything from Melo. He was simply trying to get him to play a more efficient style of ball and teach him how to make his teammates better. If the dude sulked and pouted then he wasn't giving 100% and wasn't "buying in". The Celtics Stars did that. I hope and pray that Melo will eventually learn this cuz it's key to winning. It also doesn't mean he's not the man at the end of games. MDA wasn't trying to take that away from him either. Melo has had plenty of game winning attempts for this team. The difference is subtle, but winners always figure it out.
I don't think Melo has the decision-making or versatility to do that. I hope he proves me wrong. Our franchise's future depends on it.
nixluva wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.Winners do what it takes to win. KG, Allen and Pierce sacrificed to win. They all took a step back and just played smart team BB. As Doc says "no hero ball". This is all that MDA was talking about. He wasn't trying to take away anything from Melo. He was simply trying to get him to play a more efficient style of ball and teach him how to make his teammates better. If the dude sulked and pouted then he wasn't giving 100% and wasn't "buying in". The Celtics Stars did that. I hope and pray that Melo will eventually learn this cuz it's key to winning. It also doesn't mean he's not the man at the end of games. MDA wasn't trying to take that away from him either. Melo has had plenty of game winning attempts for this team. The difference is subtle, but winners always figure it out.
Dantoni would have blown out the blazers too...I think he was sick of the media attention and scrutiny. His first year he was frazzled by it...it's what drove him out of Phoenix...
Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.
I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.
Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.
What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.
But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior
Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.
MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.
But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior
Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.
Vince Carter in his prime? Not close. Vince's achievements and skill set surpass Melo's. I lived in Canada and watched a lot of Vince. Passing? Look at their assist turnover #s. Jump shooting? Look at their 3 point %s. All-star games? Don't even need to comment on that. Playoff performances? Vince has been to the finals and won far more playoff series. Post playing? OK, I'll give you that one but discussing the post play of a guard is kind of pointless.
A more accurate description might have been that Carmelo has had the career of a Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis. It's up to him to change that before it's too late. I can't imagine him playing like a true superstar - I don't think he has the decision-making ability - but he has a lot of talent and could play very well if he truly can acknowledge his limitations and maximize his skill set.
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Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
yea bonn,I think in an attempt for knicks fans to say they have a star, they tend to over value carmelo's offensive skills, not only that, but they overrate it as well. He is not a star player, that has been the mistake many have made since day one calling him that..
Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
yea bonn,I think in an attempt for knicks fans to say they have a star, they tend to over value carmelo's offensive skills, not only that, but they overrate it as well. He is not a star player, that has been the mistake many have made since day one calling him that..
MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.
But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior
Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.
if you go back and look at carmelo and vince numbers, they are comparable.. add to the fact that vince was just a more electrifying player and you can see how some may think vince was just as good...
Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:MSG3 wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:What does looking like a superstar before Christmas or last night even mean? A superstar doesn't look like one for a day or a week. Jamal Crawford, Darius Miles, Harold Minor, Gerald Green - those are all guys who have had games or weeks where they looked like superstars.I know you're not a Melo guy, but comparing him to those guys is ridiculous. Melo has had a career worth of being a superstar so far. And I believe he can be that guy here. What's gone on this season has been ugly but I'm not writing him off yet as a Crawford of Gerald Green.
I didn't compare him to those guys; the notion that a player is playing like a superstar for a day or week sounds desperate though.
There's no way he's had the career of a superstar though. He's somewhere between a poor man's Vince Carter and a rich man's Jamal Crawford.What is a superstars career? He hasn't won any titles or MVPs. He's been an all star and scoring champ. I suppose repeat appearances deep in the playoffs would help.
But poor mans Vince Carter? Melo has achieved far more and has been way more consistent than Vince had been. Not to mention Melo is a great passer, rebounder, jumpmshooter and post player. His game is far superior
Jamal Crawford shouldn't be considered in the same stratosphere when comparing Melo to his contemporaries.
Vince Carter in his prime? Not close. Vince's achievements and skill set surpass Melo's. I lived in Canada and watched a lot of Vince. Passing? Look at their assist turnover #s. Jump shooting? Look at their 3 point %s. All-star games? Don't even need to comment on that. Playoff performances? Vince has been to the finals and won far more playoff series. Post playing? OK, I'll give you that one but discussing the post play of a guard is kind of pointless.A more accurate description might have been that Carmelo has had the career of a Stephon Marbury or Steve Francis. It's up to him to change that before it's too late. I can't imagine him playing like a true superstar - I don't think he has the decision-making ability - but he has a lot of talent and could play very well if he truly can acknowledge his limitations and maximize his skill set.
Vince never played in the finals and has been to a conference finals once with Dwight and the Magic as a complimentary piece.
It doesn't really matter who you compare him to. The bottom line is that he has a lot to prove. But just because he's fallen short of expectations here so far doesn't mean he's the same as guys like Francis. If anything he's closest to T Mac so far. As was Paul Pierce until KG and Ray Allen came on board.
We'll see if he can lead a team. It's his team now. My thought is trusting him and the players on this team with a coach that will play to their strenghts rather than a coach who wouldn't adjust to his players is the way to go.
If Melo and STAT can't wake up and make it work I'll new the first to admit I was wrong.