Knicks · Is this the Melo you want (page 1)

What do you guys want out of Melo? Intead of hating on him for a trade you didn't agree with pretty obvious a lot of you guys still hurting over the trade. When do you move on and just simply start rooting for a player to do well after all he is a Knick.

I for one know that this team stands a better chance of getting past Wade and the Heat with Melo than without him.

I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

yeah, he's an amazing offensive player—i think we knew that already...

Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

Vmart wrote:

Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

The Melo I want has never existed. Even in that video, he took way too many bad shots that happened to fall on that day.

As much as Melo sucked this year, he has an 8 year sample size of success compared to Linsanity's 15 or 16 game window. It's like saying Brandon Jennings was "the next great point guard" when he erupted for 55 pts in his rookie season. Teams have figured out Lin, and have game-planned for him already, so he's been ineffective recently. Melo has a proven track record in the regular season and playoffs, so only this year he's having a rough season. It's now up to the coach to get everyone on the same page.

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

Teams also figured out how to take the ball out of his hands by trapping him the whole game. And it worked. Now its our turn to adjust to it.

ChuckBuck wrote:As much as Melo sucked this year, he has an 8 year sample size of success compared to Linsanity's 15 or 16 game window. It's like saying Brandon Jennings was "the next great point guard" when he erupted for 55 pts in his rookie season. Teams have figured out Lin, and have game-planned for him already, so he's been ineffective recently. Melo has a proven track record in the regular season and playoffs, so only this year he's having a rough season. It's now up to the coach to get everyone on the same page.

i guess it's how you define proven track record and 8 years of success.

His 8 years of success is nothing like that of Tim Duncan's or Kobe's or LeBron's, albeit on different teams with different teammates.

I want to see Melo LEAD his team. Play both ends of the court every night. Make players around him better. Show others how to play. Take responsibility on court and in lockerroom.

I am not sure he has done those things in NY or in Denver on a consistent basis. Certainly been a small sample in NY but I can definitely say he takes time off on defense, which for me puts him at high level players with stats and nothing else.

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

Teams also figured out how to take the ball out of his hands by trapping him the whole game. And it worked. Now its our turn to adjust to it.

yup.

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:As much as Melo sucked this year, he has an 8 year sample size of success compared to Linsanity's 15 or 16 game window. It's like saying Brandon Jennings was "the next great point guard" when he erupted for 55 pts in his rookie season. Teams have figured out Lin, and have game-planned for him already, so he's been ineffective recently. Melo has a proven track record in the regular season and playoffs, so only this year he's having a rough season. It's now up to the coach to get everyone on the same page.

i guess it's how you define proven track record and 8 years of success.

His 8 years of success is nothing like that of Tim Duncan's or Kobe's or LeBron's, albeit on different teams with different teammates.

I want to see Melo LEAD his team. Play both ends of the court every night. Make players around him better. Show others how to play. Take responsibility on court and in lockerroom.

I am not sure he has done those things in NY or in Denver on a consistent basis. Certainly been a small sample in NY but I can definitely say he takes time off on defense, which for me puts him at high level players with stats and nothing else.

I agree that is mostly up to the coach to get everyone on the same page, but I also believe if you are a True Superstar and your offensive game is off, you should be able to contribute in other ways and help your team win. If your offensive game is off and you don’t play defense how exactly are you helping your team win games?

Bonn1997 wrote:The Melo I want has never existed. Even in that video, he took way too many bad shots that happened to fall on that day.

pretty much.

eViL wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Melo I want has never existed. Even in that video, he took way too many bad shots that happened to fall on that day.

pretty much.

The player you seek does not exist. You know the one that never misses a shot the one that gets an assist on every pass. The one that takes a charge on every play the one that blocks every shot taken by an opponent.

I want "YouTubeMelo".

THose highlights that show a player not missing. YouTube has done more to harm fans expectations than even ESPN Highlights.

Take a video, chop it up, put some cool urban beats to it and before long we are just foaming at the mouth for that inflated image.

Its nice, those turn to the basket in your face jump shots are great.

ON YouTube he hits like 80-90%

So give me "YouTube MElo" all day long!

Nalod wrote:I want "YouTubeMelo".

THose highlights that show a player not missing. YouTube has done more to harm fans expectations than even ESPN Highlights.

Take a video, chop it up, put some cool urban beats to it and before long we are just foaming at the mouth for that inflated image.

Its nice, those turn to the basket in your face jump shots are great.

ON YouTube he hits like 80-90%

So give me "YouTube MElo" all day long!

haha - he is not as good as YouTube Ryan Leaf!

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Rookie wrote:I could care less which Melo shows up, I want Linsanity back! I wish he would stop trying to fit in with Melo and just play his own game.....which everyone else on the team except for Melo and Amare seem to thrive in.

Lin caught teams by surprise now teams are adjusting to his game. Lin controls Linsanity not Melo that is something Melo dislikers have to understand.

don't agree. during Liinsanity, he had the ball in his hands a LOT and was making decisions; now, not so much.

Teams also figured out how to take the ball out of his hands by trapping him the whole game. And it worked. Now its our turn to adjust to it.

yup.

Thank you. Melo took a backseat in the beginning. It's been Lin who has been unsure of his passes and has had a tough time learning when to pull up and when to take the ball to the basket. It's up to to coach him and guide him through this period.

Vmart wrote:

eViL wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Melo I want has never existed. Even in that video, he took way too many bad shots that happened to fall on that day.

pretty much.

The player you seek does not exist. You know the one that never misses a shot the one that gets an assist on every pass. The one that takes a charge on every play the one that blocks every shot taken by an opponent.

i just want Melo to take efficient shots 75% of the time. and no ISO (unless you have a major mismatch) until 10 second left on the shot clock. is that too much to ask?

eViL wrote:

Vmart wrote:

eViL wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Melo I want has never existed. Even in that video, he took way too many bad shots that happened to fall on that day.

pretty much.

The player you seek does not exist. You know the one that never misses a shot the one that gets an assist on every pass. The one that takes a charge on every play the one that blocks every shot taken by an opponent.

i just want Melo to take efficient shots 75% of the time. and no ISO (unless you have a major mismatch) until 10 second left on the shot clock. is that too much to ask?

Iso are important they draw doubles creates mismatches. This is an important element of basketball. It's a necessary evil of the game.

Vmart wrote:

eViL wrote:

Vmart wrote:

eViL wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:The Melo I want has never existed. Even in that video, he took way too many bad shots that happened to fall on that day.

pretty much.

The player you seek does not exist. You know the one that never misses a shot the one that gets an assist on every pass. The one that takes a charge on every play the one that blocks every shot taken by an opponent.

i just want Melo to take efficient shots 75% of the time. and no ISO (unless you have a major mismatch) until 10 second left on the shot clock. is that too much to ask?

Iso are important they draw doubles creates mismatches. This is an important element of basketball. It's a necessary evil of the game.

It only becomes an issue when the offense stagnates and no one else can get their shot. Melo infuriates me at times when he hold the ball, but I recognize there times when he is the only one who can get his shot. We need Melo to bail us out when the shot clock runs down or when the other teams D is clamping down. We need to figure out way to make the offense run so we don't run into these situations as much.

I don't want any Melo.

This is a chicken or Egg argument. Lin isn't sucking now just cuz defenses have suddenly "figured him out". His usage rate has dipped considerably and that means that others who were feeding of of him aren't getting those same looks. The floor is no longer spread cuz Melo is coming looking for the ball and so is his defender. So when that happens it reduces Lin's options. Lin is hesitant now because he's overly concerned with getting the ball to Melo who isn't waiting for the ball to come to him or making himself available by making cuts. The offense is a dance and when we played the Spurs you saw OUR OFFENSE run to perfection. Yeah that's our offense they're running in SA.

Melo should be coming off curls like Novak does. He can come and set a pick for Lin and get involved that way. This is a free flowing offense and really players aren't limited in making smart decisions. Players can talk to each other on the floor and create as they wish. If they see something they can call it. That's what back door plays are for and give and go's. There's no limit to what they can do, but if Melo just wants to run his favorite post up ISO play all night it's gonna slow things down. Unless he does it with the intent to set up a high % shot off a double team as Duncan does. I want Melo to "PLAY WITHIN THE SYSTEM".