Knicks · Any thoughts on why Shump only played 5 minutes? (page 1)

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/3...

- ...and it came while the Knicks got absolutely nothing from their top two shooting guards. J.R. Smith drilled his first three, but then did almost nothing positive and was hardly involved the rest of the night (and reportedly sequestered himself on the bench). Iman Shumpert came in, bricked his first jumper attempt, missed an open pass or two, made a sloppy defensive rotation or two, then got the quick hook and didn't return until the final seconds on a play in which the Knicks fouled intentionally. It doesn't sound like there was anything wrong with his knee.

- Shumpert's miscues seemed to be part of a chronic team-wide problem of switching and rotating uncertainly. I'm not a fan of the switching, but if you're going to do it, DO IT. Shout it out and make it happen. Too often, Knicks "switch", but sort of half-ass it and end up standing next to each other in neutral space while both of their guys become free.

Worryingly, D'antoni said it was because shump was "unfocused"- so it seems we have more issues- still, it's good tO see coach putting his foot down for a change- hope the issue is resolved by the time I get back

smackeddog wrote:Worryingly, D'antoni said it was because shump was "unfocused"- so it seems we have more issues- still, it's good tO see coach putting his foot down for a change- hope the issue is resolved by the time I get back

Oh, of course its easy to do this to a rookie. I wonder how focused Melo and Amar'e were last night, especially on defense!

Knicksfan wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Worryingly, D'antoni said it was because shump was "unfocused"- so it seems we have more issues- still, it's good tO see coach putting his foot down for a change- hope the issue is resolved by the time I get back

Oh, of course its easy to do this to a rookie. I wonder how focused Melo and Amar'e were last night, especially on defense!

Something happened either in the spurs game or after it- I think he was in the dog house before the bucks game

martin wrote:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/3...

- ...and it came while the Knicks got absolutely nothing from their top two shooting guards. J.R. Smith drilled his first three, but then did almost nothing positive and was hardly involved the rest of the night (and reportedly sequestered himself on the bench). Iman Shumpert came in, bricked his first jumper attempt, missed an open pass or two, made a sloppy defensive rotation or two, then got the quick hook and didn't return until the final seconds on a play in which the Knicks fouled intentionally. It doesn't sound like there was anything wrong with his knee.

- Shumpert's miscues seemed to be part of a chronic team-wide problem of switching and rotating uncertainly. I'm not a fan of the switching, but if you're going to do it, DO IT. Shout it out and make it happen. Too often, Knicks "switch", but sort of half-ass it and end up standing next to each other in neutral space while both of their guys become free.

2 post game reviews mentioned something about his Knee. Didnt see MDA confirmed ?

DJMUSIC wrote:

martin wrote:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/3...

- ...and it came while the Knicks got absolutely nothing from their top two shooting guards. J.R. Smith drilled his first three, but then did almost nothing positive and was hardly involved the rest of the night (and reportedly sequestered himself on the bench). Iman Shumpert came in, bricked his first jumper attempt, missed an open pass or two, made a sloppy defensive rotation or two, then got the quick hook and didn't return until the final seconds on a play in which the Knicks fouled intentionally. It doesn't sound like there was anything wrong with his knee.

- Shumpert's miscues seemed to be part of a chronic team-wide problem of switching and rotating uncertainly. I'm not a fan of the switching, but if you're going to do it, DO IT. Shout it out and make it happen. Too often, Knicks "switch", but sort of half-ass it and end up standing next to each other in neutral space while both of their guys become free.

2 post game reviews mentioned something about his Knee. Didnt see MDA confirmed ?

I haven't read any articles on it- there was a thread on realgm about D'antoni saying he was unfocused

GREENBURGH, N.Y. -- One of the biggest head-scratchers from Friday night's 119-114 loss, during which the Bucks shot 13-fo-26 (50 percent) from beyond the arc, was why Mike D'Antoni played his best perimeter defender, Iman Shumpert, for only five minutes.

Injury?

A team incident?

D'Antoni addressed the question after Saturday's practice at the Knicks' practice facility, in regards to the rookie playing his fewest minutes in a game this season.

"The biggest reason was Baron [Davis] and Jeremy [Lin] were playing really well together," he said. "Because of that, [Shumpert's] minutes got weighed down. That's the main reason. I did think that early on [in the game], he just didn't seem to have the mentality or the vibes that was really good. I just talked to him [after today's practice]. He's ready to roll, he's fine. It was just a rookie night that he had."

That may not be the last time Shumpert records more minutes on the bench. D'Antoni said he liked the Lin-Davis combination so much that he plans to use it again, especially because he's still "hunting" to find ways to make the offense flow more efficiently. When Lin and Davis were running the backcourt together in the fourth quarter against the Bucks, they sparked an 18-4 run to bring the Knicks back in the game.

"Maybe Baron and Jeremy together, two point guards, is better," D'Antoni said. "I think [I'll use them] more. I don’t know how much. I think the game dictates that a little bit. But I do like two point guards on the floor, so we can use that.”

Lin said the switch to shooting guard when Davis brings the ball up has been going well -- a situation he's used to from his Harvard days.

"I played off guard in college, so it’s nice to be able to have two ball-handlers in there," Lin said. "Sometimes I can run to the corner or he can and we can be spot-up shooters, rather than initiating the offense.”

There's no questioning Shumpert's defensive value to the team, as he's fourth in the NBA in steals per game (1.94). Now it's up to D'Antoni to balance offense and defense, because the latter was the bigger weakness in Friday's flop.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/...

I missed a good chunk of the first half. Was Shump really dogging it in his early minutes? Find it hard to believe we couldn't use Shump's length on the perimeter when Jennings was getting hot...

MaTT4281 wrote:I missed a good chunk of the first half. Was Shump really dogging it in his early minutes? Find it hard to believe we couldn't use Shump's length on the perimeter when Jennings was getting hot...

jennings really didn't kill us i mena he is a good player. No we were destroyed by mike dunleavy and that other guy

Dunleavy, of all the damn days he could have put up a great game, he had to do it against the Knicks + we fell asleep on defense at the end there. There is always SOMEONE who comes into the game and has a career night against the Knicks.

I said last night that it looked to me like MDA was experimenting in this game. He tried out JR and the Baron/Lin tandem. You have to understand that MDA does things for a reason. Sometimes he settles issues by playing guys so that they have a chance to prove themselves and if they flop, they no longer have a leg to stand on to bitch about not playing. He's not going to throw guys under the bus in public after every game, but you'll see him do things with the rotations that let you know how he feels.

I think he can now comfortably change the Starting lineup without fear of anyone getting their back out of joint. Most have handled the changes well. Let's remember too that MDA doesn't have any Juice! He's a lame duck that has not received any support from management or the owner and so he can't get tough and into wars with players, especially STAT and Melo.

Clearly tho someone said something to STAT cuz he all of a sudden gave a little effort on PnR defense last night. It wasn't spectacular but you could see he changed what he was doing.

Good news is that Baron and Lin worked real nice. We know Shump, Lin, Fields, Jared & Tyson are a good defensive group and you can throw JR in that mix too. I know MDA loves Shump, so I wouldn't be too worried about the last game.

we didn't lose because we didnt have shumpert we lost because our two stars refused to play d and box out. I mean melo and amare boxed out the same guy are you kidding me lol.

JCrusher wrote:we didn't lose because we didnt have shumpert we lost because our two stars refused to play d and box out. I mean melo and amare boxed out the same guy are you kidding me lol.

It's really sad. One thing has been made clear. STAT and Melo are not an elite duo. They just aren't. They're paid like it, but as has been noted for years they are flawed players. I just find it funny cuz for years people bashed MDA for a lack of D but now that we have seen STAT up close we can see that it was always about STAT and to a degree Nash. You can't have your 2 best players be well below average defensively! The stars are gonna play major minutes and the defense suffers when they do.

Thank God we're gonna get Tyson back and hopefully Jared won't be out for too long.

JCrusher wrote:we didn't lose because we didnt have shumpert we lost because our two stars refused to play d and box out. I mean melo and amare boxed out the same guy are you kidding me lol.

Anyone looking for what's wrong with the Knicks needs to stop looking.

loweyecue wrote:

JCrusher wrote:we didn't lose because we didnt have shumpert we lost because our two stars refused to play d and box out. I mean melo and amare boxed out the same guy are you kidding me lol.

Anyone looking for what's wrong with the Knicks needs to stop looking.

Right now it's mostly about STAT and Melo! They're the stars and leaders of the team. They're the ones who are the main culprits in our losses. If they both come with max effort and smart defensive and offensive performances we will win most of our games. Both players have had awful seasons so far and have yet to carry the team to victories. Lin has done more to win games than either STAT or Melo this year. They should be ashamed.

nixluva wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

JCrusher wrote:we didn't lose because we didnt have shumpert we lost because our two stars refused to play d and box out. I mean melo and amare boxed out the same guy are you kidding me lol.

Anyone looking for what's wrong with the Knicks needs to stop looking.

Right now it's mostly about STAT and Melo! They're the stars and leaders of the team. They're the ones who are the main culprits in our losses. If they both come with max effort and smart defensive and offensive performances we will win most of our games. Both players have had awful seasons so far and have yet to carry the team to victories. Lin has done more to win games than either STAT or Melo this year. They should be ashamed.

i agree.

i think they can't play together. i just don't ever see it working. people who say it worked last season with billups... i dunno, i never thought that team looked dominant. it always seemed shallow. now that we have a full compliment of players it seems obvious that amar'e's and melo's defensive indifference is going to kill this team against anyone good in this league.

yea it sucked

also, i'm disappointed shump didn't play. the best three team defenders: jeffries, tyson and shumpert. tyson and jeffries were injured, but we could've REALLY used shump on the perimeter and on jennings.

d'antoni going away from his defensive players is gonna kill this team even more.

they've won, when they've won, with teamwork, passing and DEFENSE. why go away from this???

i was pro-d'antoni, but if he continues sliding away from the defense that was a big reason for linsanity then he deserves to go.

crzymdups wrote:also, i'm disappointed shump didn't play. the best three team defenders: jeffries, tyson and shumpert. tyson and jeffries were injured, but we could've REALLY used shump on the perimeter and on jennings.

d'antoni going away from his defensive players is gonna kill this team even more.

they've won, when they've won, with teamwork, passing and DEFENSE. why go away from this???

i was pro-d'antoni, but if he continues sliding away from the defense that was a big reason for linsanity then he deserves to go.

or maybe Shump f'ed up so much MDA was tired of it and benched him?

It was Shumps fault, hopefully he doesn't fall all the way to where TD is on the Bench for not getting it.

nixluva wrote:

JCrusher wrote:we didn't lose because we didnt have shumpert we lost because our two stars refused to play d and box out. I mean melo and amare boxed out the same guy are you kidding me lol.

It's really sad. One thing has been made clear. STAT and Melo are not an elite duo. They just aren't. They're paid like it, but as has been noted for years they are flawed players. I just find it funny cuz for years people bashed MDA for a lack of D but now that we have seen STAT up close we can see that it was always about STAT and to a degree Nash. You can't have your 2 best players be well below average defensively! The stars are gonna play major minutes and the defense suffers when they do.

Thank God we're gonna get Tyson back and hopefully Jared won't be out for too long.

Its hard to be a good defensive player when straight from High School you never had a coach teaching you anything about defense.